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on another note, that AB from Soler in the 9th yesterday was phenomenal. Got 2 shitty called strikes and still hung in there, didnt lose his composure, drew the walk, and allowed DLC to put us ahead. That could be a real turning point this year.
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I have to agree. Removing anyone from the rotation seems like a recipe for falling apart.Originally posted by fish16 View PostComment
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That's why I included getting a guy like Greinke in a potential Salvador Perez trade. We'll need the innings for sure. If Rogers and Cueto come back and look good, we'll have 7 starters. Dealing one for a significant offense upgrade is the right move.Comment
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Yes, I should asterisk my last comment - Dealing one while getting a replacement (whether internal or external) is fine. Dealing without one isn't a good idea, IMO. How many years have we always fallen apart when we have pitching injuries without someone to eat innings...obviously the Cueto signing for that purpose hasn't worked out thus far.....Originally posted by Nick View PostComment
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I feel something like this is appropriate. I am assuming any trade is made at game 81 for payroll purposes of calculating ROS payroll.
Corbin (Through 2024, $47.6m) for
Garcia (Through 2026, $35m)
Corbin is throwing pretty OK this year (xFIP 4.37) and has a .8 WAR in 73 innings. This does two things, get the innings I mentioned about above now and they can more easily figure out a throwing timeline for Garrett, Luzardo, Cabrera, and Eury, and it gets "Garcia" off the books faster as Corbin comes off next year and Garcia lingers further. So they accept to pay money now to have a cheaper 2025 when they should be *really* good. Nationals would have to love to dump $12m bucks overall and can just sit on Garcia remembering how to hit for 2 years while they are non-contending. Maybe the Marlins throw in a FV40 and an OUT30 (i'm going to start using that for an outside top 30 prospect) to juice them. I'm sure they'd love it if the Marlins stuck it too the Mets and Phillies FWIW also even if they do have to deal with the marlins longterm!
E. Diaz and R. Grichuk ($7.75m this year, $6m for Diaz next year) for
Stallings (they do need someone to catch), R. Hernandez, and 2-3 of Miller, Millbrandt, FV40 relievers, etc., or I. Lewis, Groshans. Whatever. Nothing we care about but solid FV40ish guys for Diaz and Grichuk which is all they are worth with their contracts. Grichuk slams lefties and is perfect for Jazz/Sanchez and to help CF defense.
This only add roughly $22.5m overall over 2 years and they'd have to pay a stop-gap arm and backup catcher anyways next year ($5-7m each), so I view this as only maybe adding call it $10m for the stretch run. That sounds like a number Bruce can get behind.
So they'd have this:
Fortes, E. Diaz
Cooper/Yuli survivor (pick 1)
Arraez
Wendle
Segura, Berti
DLC, Soler
Jazz
Sanchez, Grichuk
13th man - Other of Cooper/Yuli, Davis, Hampson, Amaya battle, or see below
And then they'd have to have a strategy of optioning down Garret, Cabrera, and Eury probably 2-3x each for 10 day stretches to give them an "off day" to keep their innings sane, but they could do this:
Sandy, Luzardo, Rogers, Cueto, Corbin (always up)
Two are always on the roster in some serious taking advantage of off days and one constantly optioned down to "rest" - Garrett, Cabrera, Eury
Floro, Chargois
Puk, Scott, Okert
Last reliever - Brazoban and Nardi flip flop up and down to build in their rest days
Yes I know this is a little crazy, but here's the thing
1 - This is the "cheap" option to get them some bats and accomodate any innings issues. Diaz is a good fit for Fortes, and Grichuk is a semi-significant outfield upgrade for lefty bashing. This very notably costs the Marlins some money and literally Garcia and nothing prospects outside their top 10-15.
2 - Garcia coming off 2025 is huge even if Corbin eating up 2024 payroll is not wonderful. That'll help a contending window when Cabrera, Eury, and gang can really throw innings
3 - They have a major lefty reliever to trade because Nardi is better than an inventory arm + all of Meyer, Eder, and let's be real, maybe Cappe, Berry, and Watson become pieces to move for something more longterm. So if we look at the above and that is lacking, they still have the "plant the flag move" to go and can easily replace that 13th man with a stud every day SS or whatever. I do think Eder, Cappe/Watson/Berry, Scott/Okert, and another guy in Marlins top 10-20 or so would get a monstrous player.
Anyways, we'll see what they do. Maybe there are cheaper ways to find innings, but I like moving out Garcia and opening up 2025 payroll. And two very solid bench/platoon upgrades may be a smart move to do in June, and if things look excellent after the ASB, do # 3 above and go get a Yelich. I just hope complacency in the hot streak causes them to do nothing as they should be doubling down right now.
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They could do this too, but this falls under the "very expensive" option and we're not asking bruce to take on at least $40-50m in new money absent the Royals paying for better prospects or taking part of Garcia back, etc. This is a good option if they can do it without MLB rotation, Meyer, Cappe, Eder, Watson, and Berry though.Originally posted by Nick View PostComment
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Why the fuck not. He hasn't spent any money in 6 years, time to put up or sell the fucking team.Originally posted by lou View PostComment
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We all like him Lee, but he might be more of the team's 3rd/4th RHP in the bullpen next year versus a guy to lien on during a legitimate playoff stretch. It's asking a lot for a kid to come in and be a high leverage RP immediately.Originally posted by Lee Stone View PostComment
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I know you are yelling in frustration and not at me here, but my response is a stoic "because his name is Bruce Sherman." The guy who said he is never selling.Originally posted by Nick View Post
I'm just saying, that idea above is a Bruce kind of idea. Kim can sell that as not much payroll spread over 2 years and ridding themselves of Garcia money sooner which will help a later contending window. And she'll have got the innings eater, above average backup/platoon catcher, and excellent lefty killer for virtually nothing and $10-15m in new money. With all of the main trade assets still in her deck if the team does contend and others, like St. Louis, fall out and maybe Tommy Edman is available for minor leaguers as STL has a lot of depth as discussed. And that dude - 2B/SS defense, lefty killer, speed, 15% K rate - is something I think they'd pay big for. Not the bat some of us may be thinking as they really need a hitter first, but Edman is a 3+ WAR player easy and would be a perfect fit as a difference maker on this team, etc.
Basically, I'd like to see an innings eater (or better) and backup (or better) catcher ASAP, and they probably 2 bats on top of that but might be able to bide their time a little but it would be really nice to go get one now.Comment
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Also want to note - I'm just saying these unexciting players because the Marlins are still sisters of the poor and they are going to be cheap and look for bargains rather than do the right thing and just absorb all of Perez and Greinke to get them for money and not players, etc. I am imagining major bargain shopping here and betting on some whatever veterans to be solid and compliment the kids.
You can just see the front office gas lighting themselves right now and some asshole saying "Jazz is the best player a contender will acquire here on out." So I'm setting myself up mentally for Grichuck, Hope, and Prayer coming in for the push.Comment
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It was asking too much from Chargois and Brazoban yesterday. I see Maldonado as more the No. 1 RHP than 3 or 4.Originally posted by lou View PostComment
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Chargois is pacing as a 1 WAR RP and Brazoban a little less and maybe .8. We can't ask for anything more than that. Those are very good RP to have and we always remember the bad outing versus Brazoban didn't give up a run 14 outings in a row earlier this year, etc.Originally posted by Lee Stone View Post
Maldonado becoming a top 30 RP in baseball is not something I see coming in July 2023. This is asking for something like Gallegos, Duran, or Stephan RP immediately. That's a big ask IMO. If he works out, maybe that could happen in a few years.Comment
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i will ask again if you ever get tired of overreacting to minor league numbers?Originally posted by Lee Stone View PostComment
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I would very much like the Avisail for Corbin idea fyi. We need innings.
Also, I don’t think Maldonado is going to dominate right away, but I wouldn’t mind him replacing one of the guys in the pen soon to see how good he is.
Hoeing should probably get sent down to start or something again as I could see him spot starting later on in the year.Comment
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