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  • BTW doing quick payroll, if they trade for Perez and don't trade anything major, the team is going to cost $110m next year.

    Perez, Fortes
    Arraez
    Segura
    Amaya, Berti
    Groshans
    DLC, Burdick
    Jazz
    Sanchez, Garcia

    Sandy, Cabrera, Eury, Cueto
    Luzardo, Rogers, Garrett
    Floro, Chargois, Brazoban
    Puk, Scott, Okert

    Meyer, Eder/Fulton/Monteverde, Bender, and Nardi are in AAA here. So is Edwards. And yes, it is very clear at least 2, probably 3, names should not be within those bats so they have work to do. I bolded those for obviousness.

    The drops are Perez $20m if he isn't traded for, Cueto saves $8.5, Floro $5.5, Luzardo $5, Scott $4, Rogers $3m, Okert $2.25, so to speak. Hard to do the arbitration projections in June


    Basically, the smartest financial move is Luzardo/Rogers to lower payroll longterm, while Scott is awesome, sell HIGH right now as this is the best Scott there is, they can't afford him next year, and they are fine with Puk/Nardi/Okert as they are awesome, and Floro may be a keep for this year as they need him right now, and trade in offseason as that's a cheap tender versus the 2-3 year $7-8m deals good relievers are getting. Cueto is an unknown but he could save another $8m if they didn't pick up the option which might happen.

    So financially speaking, Luzardo/Rogers, Scott, and prospects would be the big trade for Peraza or Westburg or whoever, ideally that move nets Peirera or Kjerstad back too to get 2 large bat pieces at once even if Eder/Fulton/Monteverde gets chucked in there as a second notable arm.

    That would set up a payroll around $90-98m next year (depending on Cueto option) with S. Perez eating $20m, and they would need a 1B/DH bat (Hoskins? Keep Soler?) and another SP if Cueto isn't picked up. Which may be likely as maybe they can find someone who will take $4-6m to be the team's 6th SP and save some money there to devote to offense.


    For 2023, it would be something like Luzardo/Rogers, Scott, Eder/Fulton, Fulton/Monteverde, and guys we don't care about out, for S. Perez, Westburg/Peraza, Kjerstad/Peirera, and a greater reliance on Rogers, Eury, Cueto, and Nardi for innings. It works.


    Just saying here, Luzardo is awesome. Rogers should be awesome. But if we are thinking Perez money + they need an epic longterm bat or two, they make the highest money so one has got to go.

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    • You bring in Perez and Westburg/Peraza. Dump Garcia. Keep Soler and Cooper around if you can, and you live with a SS/3B group of Berti, Wendle, Segura, Amaya, Nunez for 2024 and 2025. And you use whatever leftover money you have to make the rotation and bullpen as awesome as possible. FA next year is a fucking wasteland for bats. We have to do it through trades.

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      • Originally posted by Nick View Post
        You bring in Perez and Westburg/Peraza. Dump Garcia. Keep Soler and Cooper around if you can, and you live with a SS/3B group of Berti, Wendle, Segura, Amaya, Nunez for 2024 and 2025. And you use whatever leftover money you have to make the rotation and bullpen as awesome as possible. FA next year is a fucking wasteland for bats. We have to do it through trades.
        I'm with you. This is roughly $90m next year, give or take. We'll say it is Luzardo, Scott, and maybe some depth guy like Soriano/Hoeing they can use now if they get really depleted for Westburg and decent far away prospects, Perez is for far away prospects and money absorption, and they don't keep Cueto and just decline option. Floro is traded offseason for a whatever prospect arm.

        Perez, Fortes
        Arraez, _____
        Westburg
        Amaya, Berti
        Segura
        DLC
        Jazz, Edwards
        Sanchez, ____/Garcia

        Sandy, Cabrera, Eury
        Rogers, Garrett, Eder
        Meyer, Chargois, Brazoban, Bender
        Puk, Okert, Nardi

        Bats are a wasteland next year, but they would really just need platoon options, one to hit left handers and the other right handers. They'd have a nice mix and match lineup from there.


        Rosario might be good coming off what looks like a major off year, career .818 OPS vs LHP and matches their lower K guys. But he's been brutal so who knows. There is probably a wide assortment of right handed bashers (Joc? Hoskins? Gallo?) around. Soler would be a premium option on top of this with what he is doing.


        They'd have options, but it all goes to impact and money right now, so Luzardo/Rogers and Scott effectively must go for a right now longterm bat. Westburg or Peraza is absolutely where you start. It is ballsy to trade Luzardo (or Rogers) right now during a run, but they have to bet on their pitching eventually and now seems like the time to trust the other 6 guys to eat the innings. If they twiddle their thumbs I'll just be amazed.

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        • Also, you can't continue to play Jean Segura. He's not getting better, his OPS is barely better than Stallings. Maybe he plays against lefties to spell Wendle, but Berti should be playing every day until we can get someone better.

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          • It’s such a shame about Segura. His BABIP is 77 points lower than last year, 87 points below the year prior and 120 points below his best season in MLB. What a cooler for the Marlins (and for Segura).

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            • Imagine being a Mets fan

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              • What about India?

                Reds have N. Marte, E-DLC, McLain, and Steer/Encarnacion-Strand as their longterm infield coming quickly, and some outfielders (Friedl, Fraley) and SP (Greene, Ashcroft, Lodolo). Their top hitting prospects after them are mostly infielders even if a few years away. The infielders are all right handers besides E-DLC who switches, and the two potential longterm OF are lefties. Their biggest needs are another big SP, stud outfielder (preferably a CF), and then lefty platoon options for the infield, righty platoon options for the outfield, and general system C/P depth. Basically, India isn't needed. He is not going to get them a CF. But he can get them a big SP.

                India hits arbitration and had an up rookie year, and then down year, and now he is good again. That sounds like Rogers to me. Senzel who I've mentioned before, has a career .766 OPS versus LHP and can play 2B/3B/LF. He's controlled two more years after this one and generally looks a little better this year. Remember, he has top 5 pick pedigree if he is a late bloomer. These two make a lot of sense to me as a major right handed infield upgrade and a play everywhere guy who hits lefties.

                Something like Rogers, Mesa Jr., Miller/Millbrandt/Fitterer, Nasim/I. Lewis/R. Hernandez, and throw them Burdick to platoon maybe with the lefty OF probably gets that done in a 2-5 sort of trade. Maybe the Reds chuck in a throw-in low system FV40 guy on top. Rogers is a big get for them IMO and is respectful of India, and four upside prospects the Marlins can easily live without but do make sense for them. Senzel is worth two of them at least. I may be adding an extra 1-2 guys here, but Rogers hasn't come back with a few good starts so yes, if he comes back and throws 2-3 killer starts someone can be shed there.

                Sets up now

                Fortes, ______ (basically S. Perez)
                Arraez, Yuli/Cooper
                India
                Wendle
                Berti, Segura
                DLC, Soler
                Jazz, Senzel
                Sanchez

                Could upgrade the bold in a July deal

                Sets up in 2024

                Fortes, ______ (could be S. Perez)
                Arraez, ______ (Hoskins? Resign Soler?)
                India, Senzel
                Amaya
                Berti, Segura
                DLC
                Jazz, Edwards
                Sanchez

                Bolds have options to do a larger SS move if one is possible

                Sets up in 2025

                Fortes, ______ (could be S. Perez, with Mack now in upper minors)
                Arraez, Berry
                India, Senzel
                Watson, Amaya/Nasim
                Cappe
                DLC
                Jazz, Edwards
                Sanchez

                Obviously a best case scenario hope with the prospects, but that would give them opportunities for upgrade possibilities if guys don't work out. Guys like Segura and Cueto are off the books now, even if Garcia is still on them.



                So if they get S. Perez not shooting out Eder or Meyer which seems like an obvious position (probably Fulton though?), they'd have this as the main staff longterm

                Sandy, Luzardo, Eury, Cabrera, Garrett
                Meyer and an assortment of Bender, Maldonado, Reynolds, Soriano, Hoeing, Pushard, F. Sanchez, etc.
                Puk, Eder, Nardi, Monteverde

                Beyond needing a second big time right handed reliever if one doesn't develop, it is perfect with the staff. I am assuming Meyer, Eder, and Monteverde throw 300+ innings between them here to mention in bulk/multi-inning reliever roles so they are effectively the team's 6-7-8 SP.


                They can effectively do this trading out Luzardo for Westburg/Peraza also and maybe that makes more sense, but India/Senzel would work for Rogers (assuming not an immediate reversion to 2021 Rogers) if the decision is Luzardo must be kept. Luzardo has a 3.8 WAR his last 31 starts which I mean, is awesome. That would be 18th among SP last year.

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                • Originally posted by Namaste View Post
                  Imagine being a Mets fan
                  Their stadium is a large outdoor bar with a baseball field in the middle of it. They know what to do.

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                  • Anthony Bass DFA’d

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                    • Maybe we should take Tim, Yasmani, and Andrus home tonight, who at the time of post are 5/6, 2 BB, HR, SB against the best pitching prospect in baseball.

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                      • Originally posted by lou View Post
                        Maybe we should take Tim, Yasmani, and Andrus home tonight, who at the time of post are 5/6, 2 BB, HR, SB against the best pitching prospect in baseball.
                        White Sox are 3.5 games out of 1st in the division.

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                        • Originally posted by Nick View Post

                          White Sox are 3.5 games out of 1st in the division.
                          That's a good point. The AL central is terrible.

                          We want Westburg and S. Perez anyways?

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                          • Jesus Sanchez looks like dog shit today

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                            • Get some fucking bats Kim.

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                              • Love that we threw a 5 spot up in the 9th!!

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