2023 Game Thread

[fish16]

Jesus sanchez should be getting every day at bats and im not sure what on earth jacob stallings has to do to get DFA'd already. He should have been non-tendered. He's fucking awful. You cannot field a competent lineup with him in it. He is that bad.

[fish16]

mish is saying eury is done in AA. He's not sure whether he comes up here or goes to Jax, but id bet it's up here on Friday. We have an off day thursday so that would line up with Hoeing's next projected start date and is his next scheduled start date as well. Might be some growing pains, but fuck it, he has pure talent that will allow him to at least compete up here in a way that Hoeing can't. And you help him get through some of the growing pains early this year and have him fully ready to go next year.

[rmc523]

Don't worry guys. I'm sure the Marlins are circling 2085 on their calendars as THE year!

[fish16]

they havent been terrible so far this year, but the one very positive thing so far has been that jazz is absolutely now a long term CF. His baseball savant defensive grades are elite elite. I think what will eventually happen after this year is cooper leaves, arraez moves over to 1b full time, and then someone like xavier edwards develops hopefully into a long term 2b. His skill set is almost the prototypical 2b so if he can develop that would be a huge development long term. Realistically though, we have 6 different positions without a clear cut long term solution right now either at the major league level or at the minor league level that we can reliably pencil into a longterm spot. C, 2b, SS, 3b (segura is here this year and next but he is not a long term solution), and both corner OF spots need upgrades (hopefully sanchez continues to look good and we can pencil him in long term). It's a start, but in year 6 of a rebuild, it is beyond pathetic that we have not developed a single long term position player ourselves despite investing a ton in the draft, IFA, and player development. You theoretically can win without spending a ton of money, but you cannot compete if you do not also develop position players.

They will have to sign a big time free agent (highly unlikely), deal from a position of strength in our SP's, or develop from within. It shouldnt be this hard to develop from within.

[fish16]

anyone have any answers as to why george soriano is in the minors and chi chi gonzalez is up here? Soriano did a nice job in his couple of appearances up here.

Regardless, Enright and Chargois should be back up here very shortly. Enright has progressed in his recovery/rehab appearances to AAA and Chargois is in jupiter. Shouldnt be too long for either. That should help a lot. Since chargois went down it's been a lot of the musical chairs in the last few bullpen spots.

[rmc523]

they havent been terrible so far this year, but the one very positive thing so far has been that jazz is absolutely now a long term CF. His baseball savant defensive grades are elite elite. I think what will eventually happen after this year is cooper leaves, arraez moves over to 1b full time, and then someone like xavier edwards develops hopefully into a long term 2b. His skill set is almost the prototypical 2b so if he can develop that would be a huge development long term. Realistically though, we have 6 different positions without a clear cut long term solution right now either at the major league level or at the minor league level that we can reliably pencil into a longterm spot. C, 2b, SS, 3b (segura is here this year and next but he is not a long term solution), and both corner OF spots need upgrades (hopefully sanchez continues to look good and we can pencil him in long term). It's a start, but in year 6 of a rebuild, it is beyond pathetic that we have not developed a single long term position player ourselves despite investing a ton in the draft, IFA, and player development. You theoretically can win without spending a ton of money, but you cannot compete if you do not also develop position players.

They will have to sign a big time free agent (highly unlikely), deal from a position of strength in our SP's, or develop from within. It shouldnt be this hard to develop from within.

We ought to hire someone from the Rays FO to come in and evaluate hitting.

[lou]

Don't worry guys. I'm sure the Marlins are circling 2085 on their calendars as THE year!

It's frustrating especially with what the Panthers are doing. I'm not huge into hockey, but I can follow the line from last year's team before their moves this year:

Studs - Barkov, Huberdeau/Tkachuk, Ekblad

Key secondary players - Reinhart, Bennett, Montour (all extended via contract to boot)

Spent "Jayson Werth" money on someone - Bobrovsky

Developed above average parts - Weegar, Lundell, Knight, Tippett, Luostarinen

Low key signings worked out - Duclair, Verhaeghe, Marchment, Forsling


Maybe they have this as a comparable:

Sandy, _____, _____
Arraez, Jazz, _____ (extensions?)
______
Luzardo, Rogers, ____, _____, _______
Puk, Soler, Garrett, _____

Certainly Cabrera, Eury, Meyer, and Eder can join this (Berry? Cappe?), but we're going to need big step ups from a bunch of other guys to create a similar depth spread. The star FA is missing, as well as Garcia and Segura should be on there at a minimum as enormous whiffs so far. Plus at least another of DLC/Sanchez/Fortes to at least get another bat somewhere.

It's effectively failing on the farm, failing in trades (including the ones they dont make), and failing in free agency even if they still hit on a few like Jazz, Arraez, and Luzardo and have a 20+ person pretty solid core just missing a wide assortment of bats at the top.



Same thing as we always say - invest in the team and build a culture. The Panthers, a doormat much longer than the 2003 Marlins, is proof. To answer that question posed, will they ever be good? The Panthers sure are. They are $50-60m in free agency spending next year (approx. $120m team payroll) + 1-2 big trades + deadline 2023 depth moves to being good. Plus no more arm blowouts. Up to them.

[Namaste]

We just lost

[lou]

We just lost

Marlins on pace for 531 runs through 36 games. Only one team the last decade has scored less than 531 runs.

Of course, the 2013 Marlins - 513.

Just for perspective, scoring 631 runs means you are a bottom 5 offense and 731 becomes 10th (based on 22). The Rays have scored 97 more runs than them in 36 games. A long way to go. I do appreciate Kim is doing her job with her hands tied behind her back from Bruce, but it is teetering into the absurd how bad they are at hitting. They have to be better than this with what they have. I imagine they will improve on this and still score a "really bad 600" but some heads need to roll. Actually maybe they won't get there when the inevitable deadline trades come.

[fish16]

It's frustrating especially with what the Panthers are doing. I'm not huge into hockey, but I can follow the line from last year's team before their moves this year:

Studs - Barkov, Huberdeau/Tkachuk, Ekblad

Key secondary players - Reinhart, Bennett, Montour (all extended via contract to boot)

Spent "Jayson Werth" money on someone - Bobrovsky

Developed above average parts - Weegar, Lundell, Knight, Tippett, Luostarinen

Low key signings worked out - Duclair, Verhaeghe, Marchment, Forsling


Maybe they have this as a comparable:

Sandy, _____, _____
Arraez, Jazz, _____ (extensions?)
______
Luzardo, Rogers, ____, _____, _______
Puk, Soler, Garrett, _____

Certainly Cabrera, Eury, Meyer, and Eder can join this (Berry? Cappe?), but we're going to need big step ups from a bunch of other guys to create a similar depth spread. The star FA is missing, as well as Garcia and Segura should be on there at a minimum as enormous whiffs so far. Plus at least another of DLC/Sanchez/Fortes to at least get another bat somewhere.

It's effectively failing on the farm, failing in trades (including the ones they dont make), and failing in free agency even if they still hit on a few like Jazz, Arraez, and Luzardo and have a 20+ person pretty solid core just missing a wide assortment of bats at the top.



Same thing as we always say - invest in the team and build a culture. The Panthers, a doormat much longer than the 2003 Marlins, is proof. To answer that question posed, will they ever be good? The Panthers sure are. They are $50-60m in free agency spending next year (approx. $120m team payroll) + 1-2 big trades + deadline 2023 depth moves to being good. Plus no more arm blowouts. Up to them.

the panthers arent exactly apples to apples. we cant draft any position player worth a damn, and all of the panthers stars are now guys they drafted high in the draft (Ekblad, Barkov) and developed or were traded here for guys they drafted and developed (huberdeau for tkachuk). Their entire core is homegrown or as a result of homegrown talent. Hockey is a lot easier at the top of the draft and there is no question that they have done very well finding cheap talent that has blossomed here, but the bottom line is that this team is doomed if they cannot figure out what the fuck keeps going wrong with their position player development.

This rebuild is a monster success if they can just pick the right guys to go along with how good they have developed/acquired pitching. But unfortunately, here is a look at the list of guys who flat out were failures in the top 2 rounds here since this ownership took over: Connor Scott, Will Banfield, Osiris Johnson, Bleday, Misner, Nasim Nunez most likely, Kahlil Watson possibly, Joe Mack hasnt shown a ton, Cody Morissette hasnt shown much, Jacob Berry. Im not saying you have to hit on every pick, that's unreasonable in the mlb draft. But to not develop a single one to this point and not have 1 as even a top 100 prospect at this point is as bad of a failure as it gets.

You can win in this league by not spending money. You absolutely cannot win by not spending money and not developing a single position player yourself from the draft to the majors in over 6 years. You simply cannot win that way. What's going to happen as a result is we talk ourselves into trading pitching for hitting like we did for arraez, and while that was a massive success, if you continue to do that you will deplete the pitching to a point where it's no longer a strength, and then you have a mediocre staff and a mediocre lineup. Maybe you can get lucky and trade only 1-2 of those guys and you get lucky and happen upon a massive star that carries the lineup. But more likely, we will acquire another solid bat for pitching, and yet still have 5 massive holes in the long term lineup and a depleted pitching staff. They have the pieces to trade 2 of the staff and hope that the Meyer's, Eder's, Fulton's, and Eury's of the world replace them competently, but it's a huge risk and a very good chance they just end up with mediocrity on both sides of the ball.

[rmc523]

the panthers arent exactly apples to apples. we cant draft any position player worth a damn, and all of the panthers stars are now guys they drafted high in the draft (Ekblad, Barkov) and developed or were traded here for guys they drafted and developed (huberdeau for tkachuk). Their entire core is homegrown or as a result of homegrown talent. Hockey is a lot easier at the top of the draft and there is no question that they have done very well finding cheap talent that has blossomed here, but the bottom line is that this team is doomed if they cannot figure out what the fuck keeps going wrong with their position player development.

This rebuild is a monster success if they can just pick the right guys to go along with how good they have developed/acquired pitching. But unfortunately, here is a look at the list of guys who flat out were failures in the top 2 rounds here since this ownership took over: Connor Scott, Will Banfield, Osiris Johnson, Bleday, Misner, Nasim Nunez most likely, Kahlil Watson possibly, Joe Mack hasnt shown a ton, Cody Morissette hasnt shown much, Jacob Berry. Im not saying you have to hit on every pick, that's unreasonable in the mlb draft. But to not develop a single one to this point and not have 1 as even a top 100 prospect at this point is as bad of a failure as it gets.

You can win in this league by not spending money. You absolutely cannot win by not spending money and not developing a single position player yourself from the draft to the majors in over 6 years. You simply cannot win that way. What's going to happen as a result is we talk ourselves into trading pitching for hitting like we did for arraez, and while that was a massive success, if you continue to do that you will deplete the pitching to a point where it's no longer a strength, and then you have a mediocre staff and a mediocre lineup. Maybe you can get lucky and trade only 1-2 of those guys and you get lucky and happen upon a massive star that carries the lineup. But more likely, we will acquire another solid bat for pitching, and yet still have 5 massive holes in the long term lineup and a depleted pitching staff. They have the pieces to trade 2 of the staff and hope that the Meyer's, Eder's, Fulton's, and Eury's of the world replace them competently, but it's a huge risk and a very good chance they just end up with mediocrity on both sides of the ball.

One would have to think the drafting "luck" will swing back in our favor at some point.

[fish16]

Eury is up to AAA soon according to the herald and could be up in the majors in late may or june.

[Namaste]

Eury is up to AAA soon according to the herald and could be up in the majors in late may or june.

This is exciting!

[Namaste]

Looks like we will get Chartgois back soon, he had a nice outing today

[Namaste]

Our offense isn’t good enough to not send Arraez on the Jeezy double