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Eury Perez making debut Friday night in Miami
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Seemed like that would be the plan based on the rumblings and with the off day tomorrow which would normally be hoeings turn. Weird that they announced it mid game though.Originally posted by Namaste View PostComment
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Tickets purchased for Eury start. I’m going Saturday too as part of my 10 game plan. Might as well sleep at the ballpark.Comment
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Of course Jeezy just hurt his hamstring legging out yet another double. FokComment
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First time a team has ever started the season 12-0 in one run games. lolComment
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Our next 11 series are against the Reds, Nationals, Giants, Rockies, Angels, Padres, A’s, Royals, White Sox, Mariners and Nationals again.Comment
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This is going to be fascinating service time usage. They need him down call it another 30-40 days to avoid a super2. And that's ignoring if he is so good like Rutschman he may be awarded time.Originally posted by Namaste View Post
We'll see what happens, but if the general idea is he will be so great he triggers a performance year or an extension is inevitable, this may not matter. Fun.Comment
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Who gives a fuck about the super 2. They got the extra year. Put your best team out there and don’t let the year slip away because of pitching injuries. At a certain point you try to winOriginally posted by lou View PostComment
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I'm absolutely stunned that the FO is less concerned about service time than lou is.Comment
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it would be idiotic to worry about service time at this point. not calling him up could essentially be throwing in the towel on yet another year. It's not like we are talking about whether we get an extra year, it's about when he first hits arbitration. Worry about that in 4 years and actually try to win something and not let your season go to shit. Lou does a lot of overthinking in regards to service time. Yes it matters, but it shouldnt be prioritized over winning at this point when we arent talking about controllable years, we are talking about the difference in price over those controllable years. It will make a difference in the future, but at this point, we are 6 years into a rebuild, we are playing .500 ball, and we are throwing bryan fucking hoeing and devin smeltzer and jeff lindgren out there to start games at different points this year and getting super lucky in 1 run games. They are absolutely doing the right thing bringing up the most talented arm in the minors to make this team better now as opposed to cheaper 4 years from now.Originally posted by Nick View PostComment
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This is a very premature and/or incorrect comment missing a lot of context since we have no idea what the Eury plan is and what is going to happen. They could easily send him down for one or two stints + ASB and preserve a super 2 status. It's about 30+ days and frankly, calling him up this early may mean that they are even more gangster then we think to truly maximize starts over an extra month by sending the guy up and down even more than one would expect. They are really hurt right now so this may be some spot desperations until Cueto/Rogers are ready (the likely answer). So it could very well be the opposite where he is up for 6 days and sent back down after 2 starts, etc. Also it's not a service time issue technically because they have already kept him down 17 days to preserve "season 7" (this year), so this is more of a financial decision with the Super2 status where they would be shooting themselves in the foot $10-30m if Eury is a star in arbitration years. Yes that is some semantics. That's over 4 seasons so it wouldn't be killer if they did end up paying him a little quicker in 2026 and $3+m more a year in 27-29 (or way more if he is a Sandy), but at the end of the day an organization that cries poor with limited budgets choosing to spend more money in a probably non-contending year is exactly the kind of organizational mismanagement that needs to be questioned. If we want the Marlins to be efficient with payroll to maximize resources because Bruce won't spend, this isn't how you do it. We can't argue one doesn't need to spend to contend, and then be grossly inefficient on top of that with arguably your top asset not signed to a contract. The Rays would never do something like this (but see below the buyout exception). This effectively could mean, at minimum, the Marlins not having the ability to sign a Segura at some point in the next few years (lets ignore he sucks right now). That's not an insignificant move as compared to roughly getting 6-7 more starts/30+ IP out of Eury right now. A Segura for 2-3 years or 30-35 innings right now? We are valuing 30+ IP right now at $10-30 million dollars or more if Eury is a star?????? That is literally the potential delta here. Further, if the idea is to just extend him ala a Hunter Greene buyout as they just believe in him, or expect him to be so good he will just accrue a year of service time ala Julio or Aldy based on performance (which is a new CBA addition), the timing is of less importance if they can project that. Those are scenarios where yea, even the smart clubs like the Rays would call him up because it doesn't matter if an extension/performance time bonus just happens as that invalidates any of the service day tinkering one can do. Which is why its in the CBA to protect guys like Eury who could become Julio studs quickly.Originally posted by Nick View Post
So big picture, they have certainly accounted for this with an expectation of they are hovering .500 and have some hope right now + upcoming moves when more arms will be healthy and they can move Eury around to account for this. They can always send him down in July if they fall out of contention, etc. + and/or the belief he is so good none of this matters because a buy out is coming and/or he will be the top of his class to get the time from the CBA (this is my hope with the buyout!). But sure, maybe they are just dumb and not thinking about 2026-2029 payroll opportunities. I find that unlikely in a world they spend BS amounts in free agency and Garrett and Cabrera each land exactly on .168 service days where 4 more days on the active roster would have given them 1 less year of organizational control. Garrett is especially breathtaking and one of the worst (from a player's perspective) service time manipulations I have ever seen. Up there with Kris Bryant.
Ultimately, if you remember I wanted Meyer up in the bullpen mid-April 2022 and Cabrera soon after and put them on the Johan Santana development plan of using them in the pen and slowly stretching them out as the season went on. And then to repeat that in 2023. If you think I am hellbent on finances, you're wrong as it would be against financial interests for the sake of trying to win as soon as possible into the 2022 season with Meyer becoming a super 2 to do that (Cabrera became one anyways). It's about winning, but you can't just cast aside the business of this all and a poor owner spending an extra call it $10-30m bucks for 35 innings or whatever this ends up being is nuts. This will be interesting to track, but the idea they are not keenly aware of what they are doing is incredibly wrong IMO and they have a plan here. I'll be happy to eat that crow if they just burn that money through arbitration though. I wouldn't bet on that.Comment
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Yeah, hopefully we can have a good run against not so great teams. If not, throw in the towel lol.Originally posted by Namaste View PostComment
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