2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[lou]

Yeah, I can't imagine the Yankees will let him go to the Rule 5.

They won't. They would trade him beforehand to someone who has a 40 man spot.

He's not the interesting guy on the Yankees though.

Gary, TBD backup catcher
Voit, Ford
DJ, T. Wade
Gleyber
Andujar, Urshela
Stanton, Hicks, Judge, Tauchman

You look at that roster construction, they could trade Andujar, or ditch Wade, for another SS but thats about it. Honestly, they should do that and get someone like, dare I say Berti, who can play SS/CF. Myles Straw type. It's an awesome roster.

The interesting part is - no Clint Frazier - who is under control for 5 years (with super 2 status). He's probably going to cost around 5/$20-25 as a starting player, unless he becomes Brian Anderson on the field then another $5-10 more. He's solid in LF and importantly, right handed with power. There is major upside with him, and these guys know him our course.

What if the Marlins send them back Caleb (I'm sure they'd love that), and grab Clint, and grab 1-2 other really good minor league pieces to help their roster crunch. You can figure out the value to make it work as their farm is deep. To note, Caleb hits arbitration first of all of the young guys and might be the most expensive, or is floor 3rd most expensive after Anderson/Sandy potentially. This helps a few bucks in payroll also.

You can then spend payroll on a SP instead, and I think it's fair to say you can even do that next year and maybe you go for Alex Wood rehab projects this year and shoot for the moon. This avoids the, committing money a year early issue too.

Just saying. Clint makes a ton of sense to me if the price is right.

[tjfla]

They won't. They would trade him beforehand to someone who has a 40 man spot.

He's not the interesting guy on the Yankees though.

Gary, TBD backup catcher
Voit, Ford
DJ, T. Wade
Gleyber
Andujar, Urshela
Stanton, Hicks, Judge, Tauchman

You look at that roster construction, they could trade Andujar, or ditch Wade, for another SS but thats about it. Honestly, they should do that and get someone like, dare I say Berti, who can play SS/CF. Myles Straw type. It's an awesome roster.

The interesting part is - no Clint Frazier - who is under control for 5 years (with super 2 status). He's probably going to cost around 5/$20-25 as a starting player, unless he becomes Brian Anderson on the field then another $5-10 more. He's solid in LF and importantly, right handed with power. There is major upside with him, and these guys know him our course.

What if the Marlins send them back Caleb (I'm sure they'd love that), and grab Clint, and grab 1-2 other really good minor league pieces to help their roster crunch. You can figure out the value to make it work as their farm is deep. To note, Caleb hits arbitration first of all of the young guys and might be the most expensive, or is floor 3rd most expensive after Anderson/Sandy potentially. This helps a few bucks in payroll also.

You can then spend payroll on a SP instead, and I think it's fair to say you can even do that next year and maybe you go for Alex Wood rehab projects this year and shoot for the moon. This avoids the, committing money a year early issue too.

Just saying. Clint makes a ton of sense to me if the price is right.

Clint makes too much sense!!

Yajure 99% likely won't be in Rule 5 but if he is Denbo wants him. Like lou said NYY every year has a crunch and they end up trading 2 or 3 guys.

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Meetings start today so lots of news will start pouring out soon

I just heard they like Yajure alot and like mentioned yesterday are talking to Toronto about minor league Catchers

[Lee Stone]

talking to Toronto about minor league Catchers

Where are the minor league catchers who put up a .990 OPS in AAA last year and have thrown out 42% of base stealers in their MiL career? ... like Tyler Heineman.

[emkayseven]

They were all too busy having .718 OPSes at age 27 in AA the season before

[Lee Stone]

I think Caleb Smith's value took a beating down the stretch last season. Doubt if Yankees would give up Frazier or Andujar for him - but I'd take either one of them in a second.

[tjfla]

talking to Toronto about minor league Catchers

Where are the minor league catchers who put up a .990 OPS in AAA last year and have thrown out 42% of base stealers in their MiL career? ... like Tyler Heineman.

Dont mean for 2020. They are talking about 20 yr old guys in A ball. 40 man RP and maybe Pompey for 20 yr old A Ball C

Ya Tyler Heineman looked so good he got DFA/outrighted/out of baseball right now

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I think Caleb Smith's value took a beating down the stretch last season. Doubt if Yankees would give up Frazier or Andujar for him - but I'd take either one of them in a second.

He did but won't cost 200 million like Cole and 60 million like other arms

What Frazier gonna do in 2020 beside sit in AAA? Trade Caleb and Brinson to NYY for Frazier and 1 or 2 prospects

[Lee Stone]

They were all too busy having .718 OPSes at age 27 in AA the season before

Yes, I understand. A player's most recent performance is significant to me and irrelevant to you.

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Dont mean for 2020. They are talking about 20 yr old guys in A ball. 40 man RP and maybe Pompey for 20 yr old A Ball C

Ya Tyler Heineman looked so good he got DFA/outrighted/out of baseball right now

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He did but won't cost 200 million like Cole and 60 million like other arms

What Frazier gonna do in 2020 beside sit in AAA? Trade Caleb and Brinson to NYY for Frazier and 1 or 2 prospects

I believe Heineman accepted his assignment to the new Marlin AAA affiliate, which suggests that he was assured of ample opportunity to compete for a roster spot in the spring.

[lou]

Yes, I understand. A player's most recent performance is significant to me and irrelevant to you.

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I believe Heineman accepted his assignment to the new Marlin AAA affiliate, which suggests that he was assured of ample opportunity to compete for a roster spot in the spring.

That's literally not what he is saying. He is saying, so what about a 28 year old man beating up on mostly 22-24 year old young adults in AAA, over 270 PA with a BABIP north of .350, with 14 HR, where in the previous 5 seasons he barely hit at all and totaled 13 HR total (Total! Over 5 seasons!). That isn't relevant though? We are taking - solely - a BABIP infused 280 PA versus younger competition instead of putting any weight on seasons and seasons of evaluation? I mean, some guys are diamonds in the rough and late bloomers, but the chances of this are exceptionally low. Rinse repeat - sample sizes matter. Age of competition matters.

I'm all about retaining Heineman as the primary AAA catcher this year and seeing if there is a repeat performance and maybe, just maybe, he is the exception and is actually a MLB talent, but getting combative about this is silly.

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I think Caleb Smith's value took a beating down the stretch last season. Doubt if Yankees would give up Frazier or Andujar for him - but I'd take either one of them in a second.

And two guys who have been radically injured don't have a lower value?

The Marlins would get additional guys from them for sure, and then use Caleb like the Rays use some of their guys and only expect 120 IP which will greatly enhance his production. He is a two times through the lineup kind of guy. He'd probably be awesome for 40 appearances for 120 IP.

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Dont mean for 2020. They are talking about 20 yr old guys in A ball. 40 man RP and maybe Pompey for 20 yr old A Ball C

Ya Tyler Heineman looked so good he got DFA/outrighted/out of baseball right now

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He did but won't cost 200 million like Cole and 60 million like other arms

What Frazier gonna do in 2020 beside sit in AAA? Trade Caleb and Brinson to NYY for Frazier and 1 or 2 prospects

Like the Yankees have 40 man space for Brinson.

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The Marlins barely have 40 man space for Brinson

[Nick]

I'm not sure Brinson would get picked up and put on somebody's 40-man if we DFA'd him.

[tjfla]

From Mish


Craig Mish
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40m40 minutes ago

As the GM meetings begin I’ve heard the Marlins may explore trades to acquire a bat if they aren’t enamored with the FA class. One of the names to keep an eye on as a potential target for Miami is Arizona Diamondbacks OF David Peralta.


Craig Mish
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40m40 minutes ago

Peralta, a Gold Glove OF will be a FA after 2020. If Miami trades for him, they can then try to extend him beyond 2020. If unsuccessful - he would fill a one year stopgap need and Marlins could issue the Qualifying Offer to him, netting a 2021 if he departs via FA.
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Craig Mish
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38m38 minutes ago

To my knowledge the Marlins have not discussed Peralta with the Diamondbacks as of now. Look for Miami to explore trades similar in contract situations like his. Players who are a year or two away from free agency.

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Like I mentioned few weeks ago they are throwing a Devers/OF like Jerar and SP out to teams seeing if any bites. They have been mentioned as same thing for Lindor where they trade for him on the cheap without worrying about extending him with the thinking being get him here first. JD Martinez/Betts?

In regards to Mish tweet,they do like Didi and Castellanos just not really at the prices RIGHT now

I would rather go with Avisail/Corey Dickerson or Calhoun and keep prospects but least they are calling around

[lou]

I'm not sure Brinson would get picked up and put on somebody's 40-man if we DFA'd him.

I think the Orioles or Royals would at minimum. Definitely a bring into camp guy

[fish16]

Brinson would get picked up in a heartbeat and put on someone’s 40. But that doesn’t mean I’m against dfa ing him. He’s not gonna pan out here. Cut bait at the end of spring or at the very least very shorty into the year if there aren’t drastic signs of improvement. We have enough other of’s and it just keeps the focus on how bad the yelich trade has turned out thus far

[Lee Stone]

I actually believe there is yagu in Brinson's future. (Korean for baseball.)

[tjfla]

I think the Orioles or Royals would at minimum. Definitely a bring into camp guy

Brinson has an option too

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Jon Morosi
Verified account @jonmorosi
21h21 hours ago

At least one player among the Mookie Betts/Francisco Lindor/Kris Bryant group will be traded this offseason, in the opinion of multiple @MLB team execs I’ve checked with over the last 24 hours. @MLBNetwork

Marlins would be IN on any of them!!


The Blue Jays could consider trading outfielder Lourdes Gurriel Jr., “especially if it brings the right rotation arm back,” Scott Mitchell of TSN tweets.

Caleb? Pablo? Minor League Arm?

The Marlins are looking to add a position player to their everyday lineup, as the Miami Herald’s Barry Jackson reported last week, and the team is “believed” to have interest in free agent right fielder Nicholas Castellanos, MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro writes today.

Big issue at this point is Boras and the contract demands

In No tweets news

Oakland talked with us about our RP
Miami still talking to teams regarding minor league C's. NOT for 2020 they are looking to trade surplus(40 man/arms for C)
They want 1 inning eater SP and are looking at KBO guys,Gibson,Roark,Pineda however looking to get them at bargains

[tjfla]

With these "traded bats" Miami does NOT care about if FA in year or 2 like Mish said. They have a surplus of talent in minors and need to move some of it out-they think if they get a Betts or Lindor they can convince them to resign eventually especially since they have $ to spend

When say "surplus" I mean guys blocked by others

SS-Jazz/Devers/Torres/Nunez/Dalvy/Osiris/Salas/Cappe
OF-Monte/Jesus/Brian Miller/Bleday/Burdick/Jerar/Connor Scott/Misner/VV
SP-We all know the depth
40 man RP or close to majors-Like 20 of them who could be in Majors

Trade them and in 2020 Draft u can replace them easy and get a ML player

Cabrera-#3 Emerson Hancock or JT Ginn
Devers-Rd 2S Yohandy Morales
Jerar- Rd 2 College Bat that falls like Misner LY