2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Lee Stone]

I'd be chasing free agent Brad Miller. LH bat and capable of playing 1B, SS and 2B. Played for $555K this year. OPS actually better than Castellanos for the season and he'd also provide defense at maybe 1/4th the price. (I suspect Miller might rate something like $9M for two years). 1.5 WAR in just 170 plate appearances. Nice replacement for Castro/Walker and fills need for LH hitting.

[Erick]

I'd be chasing free agent Brad Miller. LH bat and capable of playing 1B, SS and 2B. Played for $555K this year. OPS actually better than Castellanos for the season and he'd also provide defense at maybe 1/4th the price. (I suspect Miller might rate something like $9M for two years). 1.5 WAR in just 170 plate appearances. Nice replacement for Castro/Walker and fills need for LH hitting.

Of course you would

[lou]

I'd be chasing free agent Brad Miller. LH bat and capable of playing 1B, SS and 2B. Played for $555K this year. OPS actually better than Castellanos for the season and he'd also provide defense at maybe 1/4th the price. (I suspect Miller might rate something like $9M for two years). 1.5 WAR in just 170 plate appearances. Nice replacement for Castro/Walker and fills need for LH hitting.

He's worth a non-guaranteed deal and $2.5 million + incentives if he makes the roster. He has a terrible track record, but I agree he's a great MiLB flyer.

[lou]

Maybe TJ isn't totally crazy - https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red...-afford-mookie

I mean Mookie's surplus value is probably only $45 million right now. You'd get a comp pick which is probably a FV45 player, so round that up to $55 million. I mean anyone trading for him would presumably be giving him $300 million over 10+ years, so that's probably adding in $100 million in surplus value minimum. Basically, he's worth a Yelich type package (top 25, 60, 80 prospects, and throw-in) as a premier MLB player. Probably a little more with upgraded 2-3-4 players.

I would run to trade them (1) any pitcher in the organization (*Any*), (2) Bleday/Sanchez, (3) Any bat in the minors not named Jazz and the other of Bleday/Sanchez, (4) Urena, (5) take on Rusney Castillo's 2020 contract ($13 million), and (6) a throw-in bullpen prospect outside Miami's top 30, for the honor of locking up CF for a decade for $300+ million.

That would be

Mookie
R. Castillo

for

Sandy/Caleb/Sixto/Pablo
Bleday/Sanchez
Monte/Scott/Misner/Devers
Urena
Outside top 30 RP prospect

That could be a top 25, top 50, top 75 prospect, solid 4/5 SP for 2 years, and projectable arm, plus shedding $13 million in dead money. That's a pretty good deal.

Payroll would be around $80 million in 2020, and decrease in 2021 when Chen, Castillo, and Conley are off the books.

Alfaro, "Backup"
Cooper, _____
Isan
Rojas
Anderson
Ramirez, R. Castillo
MOOKIE!!!!!, Sierra, Brinson
Berti

Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Yamamoto, Elisier (let's assume they pick Sixto above)
Stanek, Steckenrider, Brigham, "two right handers internally"
Garcia, Conley, Quijada/Lee/whoever

Sign Neil Walker, and get to July for L. Diaz, Sanchez (assume they take Bleday), Neidert, and Guzman (assuming overall, take Monte as player 3).

In 2021, looking at Jazz, Cabrera, Garrett, Rogers, and others.


LET ME DREAM

[lou]

Nats offered Rendon 7/$215. Boras wants 8/$260.

Can’t see him leaving if the Nationals are already there. Just saying.

[tjfla]

Maybe TJ isn't totally crazy - https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red...-afford-mookie

I mean Mookie's surplus value is probably only $45 million right now. You'd get a comp pick which is probably a FV45 player, so round that up to $55 million. I mean anyone trading for him would presumably be giving him $300 million over 10+ years, so that's probably adding in $100 million in surplus value minimum. Basically, he's worth a Yelich type package (top 25, 60, 80 prospects, and throw-in) as a premier MLB player. Probably a little more with upgraded 2-3-4 players.

I would run to trade them (1) any pitcher in the organization (*Any*), (2) Bleday/Sanchez, (3) Any bat in the minors not named Jazz and the other of Bleday/Sanchez, (4) Urena, (5) take on Rusney Castillo's 2020 contract ($13 million), and (6) a throw-in bullpen prospect outside Miami's top 30, for the honor of locking up CF for a decade for $300+ million.

That would be

Mookie
R. Castillo

for

Sandy/Caleb/Sixto/Pablo
Bleday/Sanchez
Monte/Scott/Misner/Devers
Urena
Outside top 30 RP prospect

That could be a top 25, top 50, top 75 prospect, solid 4/5 SP for 2 years, and projectable arm, plus shedding $13 million in dead money. That's a pretty good deal.

Payroll would be around $80 million in 2020, and decrease in 2021 when Chen, Castillo, and Conley are off the books.

Alfaro, "Backup"
Cooper, _____
Isan
Rojas
Anderson
Ramirez, R. Castillo
MOOKIE!!!!!, Sierra, Brinson
Berti

Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Yamamoto, Elisier (let's assume they pick Sixto above)
Stanek, Steckenrider, Brigham, "two right handers internally"
Garcia, Conley, Quijada/Lee/whoever

Sign Neil Walker, and get to July for L. Diaz, Sanchez (assume they take Bleday), Neidert, and Guzman (assuming overall, take Monte as player 3).

In 2021, looking at Jazz, Cabrera, Garrett, Rogers, and others.


LET ME DREAM

O I am nuts but I just say what I heard. Its like Trump and his hearsay!!

They arent actually gonna offer all that. They are looking at Mookie and JD but remember Mookie is a FA and JD has big deal. They are willing to deal for him without extension but deal would be like Jose Devers/B type OF and an arm or 2. They won't trade any big name prospects for him. I could see Devers,Connor Scott and arm or 2 for Mookie and Castillo

Should mention its a longshot but they would rather have Mookie in system and woo him than wait till FA. JD is possible too especially if they think he could play in field(RF/1B)

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They actually are looking at a few guys around the league. Trying to see if they can get a bat on the cheap. When I say the cheap I mean trade Devers/Connor Scott/Jerar/B type arms/Brinson/Caleb Smith/Urena in deals

They are also willing to take on a bad contract(2 or 3 years at MOST) IF can get prospects,draft pick,IFA $ in deals as well

[lou]

O I am nuts but I just say what I heard. Its like Trump and his hearsay!!

They arent actually gonna offer all that. They are looking at Mookie and JD but remember Mookie is a FA and JD has big deal. They are willing to deal for him without extension but deal would be like Jose Devers/B type OF and an arm or 2. They won't trade any big name prospects for him. I could see Devers,Connor Scott and arm or 2 for Mookie and Castillo

Should mention its a longshot but they would rather have Mookie in system and woo him than wait till FA. JD is possible too especially if they think he could play in field(RF/1B)

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They actually are looking at a few guys around the league. Trying to see if they can get a bat on the cheap. When I say the cheap I mean trade Devers/Connor Scott/Jerar/B type arms/Brinson/Caleb Smith/Urena in deals

They are also willing to take on a bad contract(2 or 3 years at MOST) IF can get prospects,draft pick,IFA $ in deals as well

If you trade for Mookie, you have to have the extension agreed and signed and a couple of random prospects aren't getting you him.

I do like the idea of trading for a bad/undesirable contract. Rusney is probably # 1 in baseball on that if you can get an epic player from them. I would assume the Astros would love to get out of Josh Reddick's $13 million too even if he's pretty OK.

[tjfla]

If you trade for Mookie, you have to have the extension agreed and signed and a couple of random prospects aren't getting you him.

I do like the idea of trading for a bad/undesirable contract. Rusney is probably # 1 in baseball on that if you can get an epic player from them. I would assume the Astros would love to get out of Josh Reddick's $13 million too even if he's pretty OK.

Agreed but Miami isn't looking to have an extension signed before trade. They think if they get him they can convince him to sign eventually

But ya if they say we want to extend him first u will be giving up Cabrera/Bleday in a deal

Havent heard bad contract names just that they are willing to take on guys if stuff is attached

[lou]

Havent heard bad contract names just that they are willing to take on guys if stuff is attached

I will be proud of them if they take on some deadweight to get another FV45 prospect/IFA cash. I find it doubtful though, absent some insane Mookie situation and you get R. Castillo added in just to help them out as a kicker.

I still would just sign Castro, Castellanos, and Wheeler, trade Urena/Conley which helps pay for them, fill out with $1 million veteran bench (Walker, etc.), and you're under $90 million easily. With presumably, an OF or SP (or both) to trade in a year if everyone works out.

[tjfla]

I will be proud of them if they take on some deadweight to get another FV45 prospect/IFA cash. I find it doubtful though, absent some insane Mookie situation and you get R. Castillo added in just to help them out as a kicker.

I still would just sign Castro, Castellanos, and Wheeler, trade Urena/Conley which helps pay for them, fill out with $1 million veteran bench (Walker, etc.), and you're under $90 million easily. With presumably, an OF or SP (or both) to trade in a year if everyone works out.

They tried to LY but Seattle jumped all over that market. It is doubtful but like u I find it encouraging they are letting it be known. This is 1 reason alot of people think they might go JT Ginn or 2nd level SP in draft. Save 1 or 2 million and go BPA again to add talent instead of Hancock or even Austin Martin. Remember they have a 3.5 Million offer out to Cappe(6.5 million right now for pool $) and few Cubans defected so they could be ready for FA by Jan/Feb so IFA $ this year and next is something they want and draft pick adds to draft pool

Still think the trade Urena/Conley for IFA or draft pick like Bearclaw LY. Teams they like Urena are small market teams who will get a pick.

Grab JT Ginn(u know Greenlee/FO love that spin rate that is better than Yamamoto and hits 98/99) and try to float a Blaze Jordan,Yohandy Morales,Patrick Bailey or HS arm who wants $$$$. Before anyone says u can't do that-NYM did it this year very easily with Allan. U call the guys rep and tell him if he makes it to #42 he has 3 million waiting for him to which the rep says deal. The kid doesn't workout for every team and his rep tells other teams he wants 5 million to sign

2020 is LY u will see them adding as much talent as possible(with 40 man crunch/not as much draft $/minors filling up)as they have to start picking and choosing soon.

[lou]

They tried to LY but Seattle jumped all over that market. It is doubtful but like u I find it encouraging they are letting it be known. This is 1 reason alot of people think they might go JT Ginn or 2nd level SP in draft. Save 1 or 2 million and go BPA again to add talent instead of Hancock or even Austin Martin. Remember they have a 3.5 Million offer out to Cappe(6.5 million right now for pool $) and few Cubans defected so they could be ready for FA by Jan/Feb so IFA $ this year and next is something they want and draft pick adds to draft pool

Still think the trade Urena/Conley for IFA or draft pick like Bearclaw LY. Teams they like Urena are small market teams who will get a pick.

Grab JT Ginn(u know Greenlee/FO love that spin rate that is better than Yamamoto and hits 98/99) and try to float a Blaze Jordan,Yohandy Morales,Patrick Bailey or HS arm who wants $$$$. Before anyone says u can't do that-NYM did it this year very easily with Allan. U call the guys rep and tell him if he makes it to #42 he has 3 million waiting for him to which the rep says deal. The kid doesn't workout for every team and his rep tells other teams he wants 5 million to sign

2020 is LY u will see them adding as much talent as possible(with 40 man crunch/not as much draft $/minors filling up)as they have to start picking and choosing soon.

I think it's a bit early to figure out the 2020 draft, but given their depth, I think you take BPA and try to max out on a star. If there is a tie, focus on C/1B/3B/SP as the weakest longterm organizational issues. Thankfully, the top 3 prospects at the moment are college 1B/3B/SP so this seems like one of the easiest choices in recent memory if that holds up. We'll see what develops though.

[Nick]

I think it's a bit early to figure out the 2020 draft, but given their depth, I think you take BPA and try to max out on a star. If there is a tie, focus on C/1B/3B/SP as the weakest longterm organizational issues. Thankfully, the top 3 prospects at the moment are college 1B/3B/SP so this seems like one of the easiest choices in recent memory if that holds up. We'll see what develops though.

Seriously.

[tjfla]

Texas and Toronto are increasing payroll and targeting pitching

[tjfla]

Profar is likely to be dealt from Oakland are we(I mean 3 guys on here) still in love with him?

Urena and Brice are Oakland targets in offseason

[rmc523]

Profar is likely to be dealt from Oakland are we(I mean 3 guys on here) still in love with him?

Urena and Brice are Oakland targets in offseason

Funny I saw that and have been awaiting for fish16's annual rant about trading for Profar for whatever reason.