2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[lou]

With these "traded bats" Miami does NOT care about if FA in year or 2 like Mish said. They have a surplus of talent in minors and need to move some of it out-they think if they get a Betts or Lindor they can convince them to resign eventually especially since they have $ to spend

When say "surplus" I mean guys blocked by others

SS-Jazz/Devers/Torres/Nunez/Dalvy/Osiris/Salas/Cappe
OF-Monte/Jesus/Brian Miller/Bleday/Burdick/Jerar/Connor Scott/Misner/VV
SP-We all know the depth
40 man RP or close to majors-Like 20 of them who could be in Majors

Trade them and in 2020 Draft u can replace them easy and get a ML player

Cabrera-#3 Emerson Hancock or JT Ginn
Devers-Rd 2S Yohandy Morales
Jerar- Rd 2 College Bat that falls like Misner LY

I don't see any surplus here. Maybe in 1-2 years.

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Brinson has an option too

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Jon Morosi
Verified account @jonmorosi
21h21 hours ago

At least one player among the Mookie Betts/Francisco Lindor/Kris Bryant group will be traded this offseason, in the opinion of multiple @MLB team execs I’ve checked with over the last 24 hours. @MLBNetwork

Marlins would be IN on any of them!!


The Blue Jays could consider trading outfielder Lourdes Gurriel Jr., “especially if it brings the right rotation arm back,” Scott Mitchell of TSN tweets.

Caleb? Pablo? Minor League Arm?

The Marlins are looking to add a position player to their everyday lineup, as the Miami Herald’s Barry Jackson reported last week, and the team is “believed” to have interest in free agent right fielder Nicholas Castellanos, MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro writes today.

Big issue at this point is Boras and the contract demands

In No tweets news

Oakland talked with us about our RP
Miami still talking to teams regarding minor league C's. NOT for 2020 they are looking to trade surplus(40 man/arms for C)
They want 1 inning eater SP and are looking at KBO guys,Gibson,Roark,Pineda however looking to get them at bargains

Brinson has been up 2017-2019, not sure he has an option.

Sure the Marlins can trade for a superstar if the immediately resign for an appropriate deal. No extension, no deal. More so, if you're going to pay for one of those extensions, Rendon only costs you "1" draft pick.

[rmc523]

I don't see any surplus here. Maybe in 1-2 years.

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Brinson has been up 2017-2019, not sure he has an option.

Sure the Marlins can trade for a superstar if the immediately resign for an appropriate deal. No extension, no deal. More so, if you're going to pay for one of those extensions, Rendon only costs you "1" draft pick.

Yeah, I don't understand this talk about trading a ton of assets for a guy that's leaving after the season.

Betts has said he'd like to test the open market.

I'm with you, you'd have to work some sort of extension into a trade. Otherwise you're giving a ton of pieces away in a throwaway year, all in the name of "maybe" they'll resign - at best? Nah, not for me.

[sports24/7]

I don't see any surplus here. Maybe in 1-2 years.

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Brinson has been up 2017-2019, not sure he has an option.

Sure the Marlins can trade for a superstar if the immediately resign for an appropriate deal. No extension, no deal. More so, if you're going to pay for one of those extensions, Rendon only costs you "1" draft pick.

Yeah, it’s kind of hard to understand the logic of being unwilling to give up a draft pick in signing someone to a long term deal, but being willing to give up multiple prospects for a player you are hoping doesn’t walk in a year.

[tjfla]

Devers/Jerar/SP all have to be added to 40 man next year and Draft pick doesnt not. U can replace ALL 3 in draft pretty easy

If u have to give up a draft pick u also have to give up draft pool $. Draft picks means nothing but losing 2 million dollars from pool hurts especially since they see this is last big draft year. If they would have had to last draft then NO Misner,Fitterer and Mokma

I agree its weird but I understand the thinking. I think it has more to do with the depth in the system than anything. Next offseason they HAVE to add Devers/Brian Miller/Jerar/Garrett/Rogers/Soriano/Palacios/Stevens/Aiello plus others like FA they get. They are offering 3/4 prospect packages all over(Cubs,Boston,Lindor) and see if someone bites

A big focus this offseason seems to be find guys who are NOT Rule 5 eligible as they are aware its gonna be tough decisions coming up

They are actually dying to add ANOTHER draft pick somehow(can't until Dec/Jan) and its NOT for the pick. They want that extra draft pool $$$. Just like if Emerson Hancock is around at #3 they might pass and grab Cole Wilcox or JT Ginn. The FO especially Greenlee love JT Ginn(Spin Rate better than our best ML guy now) and if he gives them a deal that lets them save 1.5 million I could see them take him. The more draft pool $$ the more BPA they can take. Take JT Ginn at #3 save 1.5 and if a HS guy falls to Rd 4 or 5 because of bonus they can afford him now

[emkayseven]

Supposedly Meulens still hasn’t signed a contract and is in the running for Mets bench coach

[lou]

Devers/Jerar/SP all have to be added to 40 man next year and Draft pick doesnt not. U can replace ALL 3 in draft pretty easy

If u have to give up a draft pick u also have to give up draft pool $. Draft picks means nothing but losing 2 million dollars from pool hurts especially since they see this is last big draft year. If they would have had to last draft then NO Misner,Fitterer and Mokma

I agree its weird but I understand the thinking. I think it has more to do with the depth in the system than anything. Next offseason they HAVE to add Devers/Brian Miller/Jerar/Garrett/Rogers/Soriano/Palacios/Stevens/Aiello plus others like FA they get. They are offering 3/4 prospect packages all over(Cubs,Boston,Lindor) and see if someone bites

A big focus this offseason seems to be find guys who are NOT Rule 5 eligible as they are aware its gonna be tough decisions coming up

They are actually dying to add ANOTHER draft pick somehow(can't until Dec/Jan) and its NOT for the pick. They want that extra draft pool $$$. Just like if Emerson Hancock is around at #3 they might pass and grab Cole Wilcox or JT Ginn. The FO especially Greenlee love JT Ginn(Spin Rate better than our best ML guy now) and if he gives them a deal that lets them save 1.5 million I could see them take him. The more draft pool $$ the more BPA they can take. Take JT Ginn at #3 save 1.5 and if a HS guy falls to Rd 4 or 5 because of bonus they can afford him now

They don't have to add Jerar, Soriano, Palacios, Stevens, and Aiello. Maybe half of that works out? Thinking way too hard here. They also can easily shed Brinson, Ramirez, Dean, Dugger, Stanek, Steckenrider, Brice, etc. in low key trades too, and Urena and Conley will likely be off the books regardless. There is no rush to clearing space until at least July. They are good for now. The chances everyone works out is low. This will work itself out, but those last 2-3 spots will be "tough" RP exposures.

Also, when you arguably have too much depth, why are you then passing on a better prospect (Hancock) for more better depth options? That makes no sense. The time is now for them to develop STARS. Take BPA at pick # 3, money be damned.

[fish16]

If there is one guy id be all over on a trade package it would be Lindor if we are prepared to pay him. Start with bleday and go from there. He is well worth it and would immediately
Become the face of the franchise and change the vibe around the team moving forward. I’d pay that guy whatever he wants. They can have bleday, neidert, monte, and a 4th lesser prospect like maybe a Mesa brother

[Lee Stone]

If there is one guy id be all over on a trade package it would be Lindor if we are prepared to pay him. Start with bleday and go from there. He is well worth it and would immediately
Become the face of the franchise and change the vibe around the team moving forward. I’d pay that guy whatever he wants. They can have bleday, neidert, monte, and a 4th lesser prospect like maybe a Mesa brother

I can see how you might be inclined in that direction. Lindor is that good ... and brings so much more to the table than a Stanton type. Given that Jazz Chisholm is hopefully our Lindor Light, however, I'd be more inclined to go crazy for Mookie Betts. But either one is just a dream. The interesting part of your post is the package of players you would part with, particularly Bleday.

[rmc523]

Supposedly Meulens still hasn’t signed a contract and is in the running for Mets bench coach

Heyman is reporting Meulens has signed a letter of intent with us, but has been allowed to interview for other bench coach positions (a higher position than what he'd have here).

[tjfla]

They don't have to add Jerar, Soriano, Palacios, Stevens, and Aiello. Maybe half of that works out? Thinking way too hard here. They also can easily shed Brinson, Ramirez, Dean, Dugger, Stanek, Steckenrider, Brice, etc. in low key trades too, and Urena and Conley will likely be off the books regardless. There is no rush to clearing space until at least July. They are good for now. The chances everyone works out is low. This will work itself out, but those last 2-3 spots will be "tough" RP exposures.

Also, when you arguably have too much depth, why are you then passing on a better prospect (Hancock) for more better depth options? That makes no sense. The time is now for them to develop STARS. Take BPA at pick # 3, money be damned.

They have to add them if they wanna keep them. Stevens and Aiello would be drafted in a second. Soriano who should look amazing in Jupiter and Palacios who scouts are drooling over are young but nice arms. Jerar IF has big AA year is power bat AL teams like

Too much depth as in Rule 5 guys/have to be added. U can take depth in the draft since its years before they have to be added.

I agree I would take Hancock/Martin or Tork no questions asked. I am saying what has been mentioned about Greenlee-the FO see JT Ginn as on par with Hancock and love the spin rate. If they can get a guy on par(in their eyes) for 1.5 million less and then can use that in later rounds they will be very tempted!!

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If there is one guy id be all over on a trade package it would be Lindor if we are prepared to pay him. Start with bleday and go from there. He is well worth it and would immediately
Become the face of the franchise and change the vibe around the team moving forward. I’d pay that guy whatever he wants. They can have bleday, neidert, monte, and a 4th lesser prospect like maybe a Mesa brother

They are floating 3/4 prospects packages to Cleveland,Boston,Cubs,Arizona and a few other teams.

Most of the names in packages Marlins using are Jose Devers/Jerar/Tristan Pompey/Cabrera/Mejia but like the Gallen trade it will come down to what those teams want. If a team says Devers/Jerar/Braxton Garrett DOUBTFUL or Jazz/Cabrera DOUBTFUL

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Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
· 1h
The Marlins are said to like Jose Abreu very much. However, the loss of a draft pick that would come with an Abreu signing is a big consideration for a team like the Marlins. Easier to see Abreu winding up back with the White Sox.

FutureSox
@FutureSox
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1h
The #Marlins would forfeit the 3rd overall pick in round 3 (their 4th selection) and $500K in international space if they signed Abreu. The #WhiteSox would receive a pick after 2nd round as compensation.

For a team that wants MORE draft picks and IFA this is why they keep saying Miami is likely out on QO guys

Marlins got 2.5 Million left for 2020 IFA(Yiddi Cappe deal at 3.5 Million)

[Nick]

Not sure Abreu would be a huge upgrade over Cooper anyway.

[fish16]

I’m at work so I can’t check, I’m pretty sure betts is a free agent after next year, what about Bryant and Lindor? I’d only go for them if it’s more than one year or an immediate extension

[Nick]

I wouldn't trade for any star player without an extension already negotiated.

[rmc523]

It'd be incredibly stupid to sign Abreu and give up the pick.

Yes, Betts is a FA after 2020 (so for 2021 offseason).

Bryant and Lindor are FA after 2021 (so for 2022 offseason).



The only potential wrinkle with Bryant is his grievance filing for service time. Though I don't know if they'd go to the level of making him a FA a year earlier.

[tjfla]

I’m at work so I can’t check, I’m pretty sure betts is a free agent after next year, what about Bryant and Lindor? I’d only go for them if it’s more than one year or an immediate extension

Well what Miami is trying to do is get them cheap and then convince them. Of course they would love to be able to talk/get extension BEFORE a trade but keep hearing they don't care

If Lindor agrees to extension BEFORE

Jazz/Bleday/Neidert

If Lindor doesn't agree

Devers/Jerar/Cabrera

They would pay less!!!


Get Betts or Lindor tell them Face of Franchise/marketing and all then offer 250-300 million dollar contract. If they say no u gave up nothing that can't be replaced from within the system

I would be checking on this guy myself

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...urrilo01.shtml

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Not sure Abreu would be a huge upgrade over Cooper anyway.

He's not really especially since Lewin is gonna get AB's this year at 1B