2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[fish16]

Im just having the chance to look at the 40 man and who we protected vs who we left off and i for the life of me dont understand keeping moran and kinley on the roster at the expense of eveld and dylan lee or even will stewart for that matter even though i dont think he will be taken.

[Namaste]

Moran as a LOOGY with a 3.52 xFIP last year in a small sample size works for me.

[fish16]

Moran as a LOOGY with a 3.52 xFIP last year in a small sample size works for me.

He’s a 31 year old journey man. I’ll defer to the front office cause I’m just looking at numbers for these guys and they are watching their actual stuff, but eveld especially is a guy I would have prioritized making room for. He’s struggled in aaa but he’s been lights out for us in Jax and I feel like eventually he will become a really nice middle reliever or setup man. Hell, Tayron Guerrero could have gone for all I care too, I’ve seen enough out of him

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And you all know I like the job this front office has done about as much as anyone on here, but their moves on bullpen arms outside of romo last year have left more to be desired. We’ll see if they have someone claim eveld but him and wittgrwn and a few others for no real reason has been head scratching, although we have a ton of options moving forward for future bullpen arms

[emkayseven]

Moran as a LOOGY with a 3.52 xFIP last year in a small sample size works for me.

The problem is that LOOGYs don't exist anymore. Can't use them starting in 2020, unless the lefty batter just so happens to come around at the end of an inning.

[Lee Stone]

The Gio Urshela experience: finding something out of the blue. Marlins could use a few finds like that.

Heineman mention in Orioles story about possible FA candidates they might look at:

Catcher Tyler Heineman, Miami

"A former Astros draftee from the Elias era there, Heineman has bounced around since but hit 13 home runs and walks a decent amount. That makes him an interesting piece of catching depth in these parts." No mention of 1.000 OPS in AAA last year or 42% career rate of throwing out base stealers.

Tyler could be our Gio Urshela this season. A late but fragrant blossomer.

[tjfla]

Im just having the chance to look at the 40 man and who we protected vs who we left off and i for the life of me dont understand keeping moran and kinley on the roster at the expense of eveld and dylan lee or even will stewart for that matter even though i dont think he will be taken.

Easier to DFA Moran and Kinley then it is to Eveld and Dylan Lee

Right now they can DFA

Moran
Kinley
Keller
Tayron
Riddle

when needed!!

Just say they DFA(NOT saying will happen)

Moran-Tanner Roark
Kinley-Sergio Romo
Keller-Nick Castellanos
Tayron-Brock Holt
Riddle-Greg Bird

Adds up beautifully to what the plan has been since Oct except Greg Bird is in it now

IF they wanna get into the Rule 5

Wallach-Rule 5 guy
Austin Dean
Trade Urena,Brice

In other words they have guys right now they think they can DFA and not lose. The FO thinking was if they would have added guys like Stewart,Lee,Eveld,Castano they would lose flexibilty,they know they might lose 1 or 2 of them in Rule 5 BUT there is so much RP depth they arent too worried. Remember Rule 5 guys have to stay on ML roster all year if u DFA a guy u can lose them alot easier

[Namaste]

The problem is that LOOGYs don't exist anymore. Can't use them starting in 2020, unless the lefty batter just so happens to come around at the end of an inning.

Yeah I keep forgetting about the rule change.

[lou]

He’s a 31 year old journey man. I’ll defer to the front office cause I’m just looking at numbers for these guys and they are watching their actual stuff, but eveld especially is a guy I would have prioritized making room for. He’s struggled in aaa but he’s been lights out for us in Jax and I feel like eventually he will become a really nice middle reliever or setup man. Hell, Tayron Guerrero could have gone for all I care too, I’ve seen enough out of him

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And you all know I like the job this front office has done about as much as anyone on here, but their moves on bullpen arms outside of romo last year have left more to be desired. We’ll see if they have someone claim eveld but him and wittgrwn and a few others for no real reason has been head scratching, although we have a ton of options moving forward for future bullpen arms

Nick Anderson was the best RP move in baseball last year, and turned into a top 40 position player prospect. A++++++++++

I think the idea is, this is locked at 35:

Alfaro, Wallach (2)
Cooper, L. Diaz (2)
I. Diaz, Berti (2)
Rojas, Jazz (2)
Anderson (1)
Sierra, Brinson, Monte (3)
Ramirez, Dean, J. Sanchez (3)
=15
Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Urena, Yamamoto, Sixto, E. Cabrera, Neidert, Dugger (9)
Steckenrider, Stanek, Brice, Brigham, E. Hernandez, Guzman (6)
Garcia, Conley, Quijada (3)
=18
Holloway, Mejia (2 - likely non 2020 players)
=2

They need 3 bats (starting 3B/OF, backup 1B/3B, backup 2B/SS/3B) and 2 arms (Innings eater/Reliever; Reliever) for the 25 man roster.

Is it better to sneak those guys through waivers when all teams are trying to sneak those guys through waivers right now, or cut them in January after you make a signing? Probably a better chance right now of them clearing. I think this is the plan.

If they didn't need the FA, I heavily suspect Stewart, Castano, D. Lee, and Eveld would have been selected over Keller, Kinley, Guerrero, and Moran.

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I can see them bringing in Torreyes on a MiLB deal. Ex-Yankee, slick fielding. 1.8 career WAR in 621 PA - https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=11400&position=2B/3B/SS

Fight for the backup 2B/SS/3B job and a backup plan if someone gets hurt

[Lee Stone]

No player on the Marlin 25-man roster has been discussed less than Chad Wallach. With practically no major league experience (140 or so at bats), I assumed he was on the roster as a favor to his bench coach father, Tim Wallach, who has now departed.

Drafted by the Marlins in 2013 (5th round), he was traded to Cincinnati in 2014 as part of the DeSclafani/Matt Latos deal. He returned to the Marlin organization as a waiver claim in 2017. He's never really hit for average or power, and runs poorly. He is credited as being a sound defender, but had lingering concussion issues last season.

My analysis/opinion: Marlins could certainly use an upgrade at catcher as either a backup, platoon, or replacement to Alfaro. While the quantity of free agent catchers is high, the overall quality is quite low unfortunately.

[tjfla]

Nick Anderson was the best RP move in baseball last year, and turned into a top 40 position player prospect. A++++++++++

I think the idea is, this is locked at 35:

Alfaro, Wallach (2)
Cooper, L. Diaz (2)
I. Diaz, Berti (2)
Rojas, Jazz (2)
Anderson (1)
Sierra, Brinson, Monte (3)
Ramirez, Dean, J. Sanchez (3)
=15
Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Urena, Yamamoto, Sixto, E. Cabrera, Neidert, Dugger (9)
Steckenrider, Stanek, Brice, Brigham, E. Hernandez, Guzman (6)
Garcia, Conley, Quijada (3)
=18
Holloway, Mejia (2 - likely non 2020 players)
=2

They need 3 bats (starting 3B/OF, backup 1B/3B, backup 2B/SS/3B) and 2 arms (Innings eater/Reliever; Reliever) for the 25 man roster.

Is it better to sneak those guys through waivers when all teams are trying to sneak those guys through waivers right now, or cut them in January after you make a signing? Probably a better chance right now of them clearing. I think this is the plan.

If they didn't need the FA, I heavily suspect Stewart, Castano, D. Lee, and Eveld would have been selected over Keller, Kinley, Guerrero, and Moran.

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I can see them bringing in Torreyes on a MiLB deal. Ex-Yankee, slick fielding. 1.8 career WAR in 621 PA - https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.asp...ition=2B/3B/SS

Fight for the backup 2B/SS/3B job and a backup plan if someone gets hurt

Another 2B/SS/3B option could be Addison Russell. Probably will bring in 3 or 4 on MILB invite deals plus possibly a Rule 5 guy(I think they go C)

Exactly!! Which is what I heard they are doing. They wanted 4 or 5 spots for FA/other stuff and they believe that they have a better shot at guys passing thru for the Rule 5/staying on ML roster all year than if they added Stewart/Castano/Lee than having to DFA them since they could get claimed and sent to minors. They actually like all 4 of those guys and expect to lose atleast 1 of them BUT they have so much depth in upper minors its whatever

They can DFA Tayron,Kinley,Keller,Riddle and if a team is interested they can always trade them or if they pass they have AAA depth

I would say its actually 34 as IF they need another spot they can always DFA Wallach and let him compete in ST for backup job

The 5/6 "spots" are gonna come down to what they get.

If they get Castellanos I could see them look at Brock Holt
If they get Avisail and Greg Bird I could see them look at Russell,Torreyes,Andy Ibanez

The arms are alot easier and are simple. They want 1 CL type and 1 innings eater who would be ok with LR too

Sergio Romo,Steve Cishek are RP options
Roark,Teheran,Pineda,Gibson,KBO guys whoever take 1 yr+option first

[Lee Stone]

Sergio Romo,Steve Cishek are RP options
Roark,Teheran,Pineda,Gibson,KBO guys whoever take 1 yr+option first

I suspect all of the above will sign elsewhere for more dollars than Marlins are willing to spend.

[tjfla]

Sergio Romo,Steve Cishek are RP options
Roark,Teheran,Pineda,Gibson,KBO guys whoever take 1 yr+option first

I suspect all of the above will sign elsewhere for more dollars than Marlins are willing to spend.

Willing to spend 1yr+option so 2/15-18 million. Someone will take 7-9 million a year

Realize Miami arent signing these guys because they see them as #1/2 guys but more as guys who can be the #5 SP and throw 150 innings. If they have a 3.60 ERA and the young guys like Sixto,Cabrera,Guzman,Neidert,others are ready by July OR next offseason then they will get traded but if not no issues either. They want a vet who can eat innings and give flexibility to trade Urena if they want

This is same with Romo and Cishek they are willing to go 2 years on them as well. If they look great as CL maybe someone offers something nice either deadline or next offseason.

NO issues overpaying if need be

SP-1+ option so 2/15-18(7-9 million)
RP-1+ option or 2 yr 2/10+(5-7 million)


I could see us adding at least 25mil + for 2020 at least in FA. They are willing to spend just want 2 yr contracts on stop gaps

[tjfla]

Bam Bam to the NYM

[emkayseven]

Damn, that sucks. Was pretty excited about him

[fish16]

Bam Bam to the NYM

Who is that?