2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Lee Stone]

In play perhaps, but certainly not for Marlins. Even Corey Dickerson, a really nice fit, is projected to earn 2/13M ... and that's too much for Miami. I fully expect Miguel Friggin' Rojas to be the team's highest paid player this season (other than Chen, of course).

[Namaste]

In play perhaps, but certainly not for Marlins. Even Corey Dickerson, a really nice fit, is projected to earn 2/13M ... and that's too much for Miami. I fully expect Miguel Friggin' Rojas to be the team's highest paid player this season (other than Chen, of course).

Agreed.

And if they don’t plug substantial holes in the lineup in 2021 by opening up the wallets, the patient, diehards who stuck through the rebuild will start falling off the radar.

[lou]

In play perhaps, but certainly not for Marlins. Even Corey Dickerson, a really nice fit, is projected to earn 2/13M ... and that's too much for Miami. I fully expect Miguel Friggin' Rojas to be the team's highest paid player this season (other than Chen, of course).

For 2020, they need 5 guys. 2 bench infield veterans (the better of the two a lefty) behind Cooper, Isan, Rojas, and Anderson (don't need any bench OF as Cooper, Berti, Rojas, and Anderson can play out there and Sierra is a 26th man) and 2 more pitchers, one a bullpen arm and one a 5th SP/pen arm depending on Urena's spot. Honestly, none of those guys should cost more than Rojas so I don't think I can criticize them there. They need to start Alfaro/Cooper/Isan/Rojas/Anderson, and see what they got with Berti/Brinson/Sierra, with not clogging anything for Lewin/Monte/Sanchez midseason. This should be cumulatively $10-12 for all 4 veteran guys. The second bench infielder could even be a minimum guy and take some swings on another Cooper/Berti/Puello/Herrera type acquisition and hope you get one of the first two.

The 5th spot though is a starting level right handed veteran MLB bat who can play 3B/OF. I think it's clear I want them to go for it with Ozuna/Castellanos and front load that deal to take a swing at creating a cheaper 2022/2023 asset, but this spot, at minimum, will be Garcia (like TJ is floating) or a Dickerson type. This dude will be 2nd highest on the team after Chen even if not Castellanos/Ozuna.

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Agreed.

And if they don’t plug substantial holes in the lineup in 2021 by opening up the wallets, the patient, diehards who stuck through the rebuild will start falling off the radar.

Well, that's really "1" guy. In 2021...

Alfaro $2,750,000 (arb projection) < - must play
Wallach $650,000
L. Diaz $600,000 < - must play enough w/ Cooper to evaluate
Cooper $2,250,000 (arb projection) < - must play enough if still hitting
Diaz $625,000 < - must play
Rojas $5,500,000
Berti $625,000
Anderson $4,500,000 (arb projection) < - must play
Monte $600,000 < - must play
Sanchez $600,000 < - must play
VETERAN OF ____________
H. Ramirez $625,000
Sierra $625,000

Alcantara $650,000 < - must play
Pablo $650,000 < - must play
Caleb $3,750,000 (arb projection) < - must play
Sixto $600,000 < - must play
Neidert $600,000 < - must play (Can put Cabrera here, this is just speculating)

E. Cabrera $600,000 < - must play
Guzman $600,000 < - must play
Stanek $1,750,000 (arb projection)
Steckenrider $1,250,000 (arb projection)
Garcia $1,500,000 (arb projection)
E. Hernandez $650,000 (could be a super 2 but they can delay it easily)
Brigham $625,000
Quijada/Vesia $625,000

Chen $15,000,000 (dead)

Total Payroll $48,800,000 < - And Stanek/Steckenrider can easily be replaced with CC options if need be to lower this a little.

And Jazz, Rogers, and Garret are your mid-season callups.

It's a broken record of getting a right handed bat and front loading.

In 2020, I truly think they should be paying Castellanos (FA contract) and Anderson (arb buyout), combined, $20+ million, and in 2021 closer to a combined $30 million.

It's going to deflect so much money off 2022/2023. That alone inspires MASSIVE CONFIDENCE for this guy.

[tjfla]

The issue with Castellanos right now is his team is floating crazy numbers. If his asking price drops I could see us all over him. When I say crazy numbers I dont mean the Marlins arent willing to spend money I mean Boras is telling teams 100+ million at this point. If no one bites and he is on market Dec/Jan I could see Miami making 3/4 years from 50 to 60 million

The Avisail Garcia story is they see a guy WHEN HEALTHY that is a 20-30 HR guy and can hit. IF they can get him at say 2/15 early in the process they will-Dean,Brinson,Harold,Monte,Jesus,Berti even Cooper ALL have options. They are trying to add bats and while Avisail is nothing special he is in 2nd tier of FA and in prime. Also has more power than anyone in lineup right now

They have called on Gardner(likely back to NYY),Dickerson,Calhoun,Brock Holt

Sierra is likely the 26th man and is more up to play defense,pinch run and stuff than to actually play everyday

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Nothing far along yet BUT to piggy back off a MLBtraderumors article

Miami has had talks with Toronto about C(will pick up tommorrow at meetings)

Pompey and a 40 man RP to Toronto for a C and something minor (non 40 man guy or IFA $) has been discussed

[Nick]

The issue with Castellanos right now is his team is floating crazy numbers. If his asking price drops I could see us all over him. When I say crazy numbers I dont mean the Marlins arent willing to spend money I mean Boras is telling teams 100+ million at this point. If no one bites and he is on market Dec/Jan I could see Miami making 3/4 years from 50 to 60 million

The Avisail Garcia story is they see a guy WHEN HEALTHY that is a 20-30 HR guy and can hit. IF they can get him at say 2/15 early in the process they will-Dean,Brinson,Harold,Monte,Jesus,Berti even Cooper ALL have options. They are trying to add bats and while Avisail is nothing special he is in 2nd tier of FA and in prime. Also has more power than anyone in lineup right now

They have called on Gardner(likely back to NYY),Dickerson,Calhoun,Brock Holt

Sierra is likely the 26th man and is more up to play defense,pinch run and stuff than to actually play everyday

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Nothing far along yet BUT to piggy back off a MLBtraderumors article

Miami has had talks with Toronto about C(will pick up tommorrow at meetings)

Pompey and a 40 man RP to Toronto for a C and something minor (non 40 man guy or IFA $) has been discussed

They want to trade for a backup C is that what you're saying? and they let Holaday and Heineman go for nothing?

You keep bringing up Avisail Garcia being healthy. The guys averaged 525 Plate Appearances over the last 5 years, can he really have struggled with injuries that much?

[Todd]

So you think their plan is to tank for 6 years to be good in 7?

They will be going for it 2022 latest. That'll be year 5.

I dont think their plan is to be bad. And they very well might "go for it" in 2022. I just dont think they will be capable of doing so.

[tjfla]

They want to trade for a backup C is that what you're saying? and they let Holaday and Heineman go for nothing?

You keep bringing up Avisail Garcia being healthy. The guys averaged 525 Plate Appearances over the last 5 years, can he really have struggled with injuries that much?

No they are looking at minor league C from Toronto. They have like 5 C in Top 30 prospects-not a backup in ML in 2020. Right now they are talking to a few teams regarding 40 man guys.

Riddle/Keller/Kinley/Tayron/Eveld/Chad Smith/Poteet/Graves/Bryson Brigman/Stone Garrett all have to be on the 40 man so like LY with Schales and Peters,Denbo is looking to move some of them for guys that dont have to be on it

Much like Milbrath,Heineman was a 6yr FA. Wouldn't be surprised to see us resign him after Nov 20. Nothing u can do to prevent 6 Yr FA beside add them to the 40 man roster. They become FA and after Nov 20 when 40 man roster is set u just resign them if they want to a minor league deal with invite.

In five of his six full major league seasons, García has been placed on the injured listfor some length of time. His previous physical issues include a torn labrum, sprained knee, sprained thumb and strained hamstring. In other words the guys gets hurt ALOT

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Expect backup C to be Wallach,Holaday OR Rule 5 Pick. They supposedly are looking at 2 Rule 5 C(gotta see if get protected or not first)

[lou]

The issue with Castellanos right now is his team is floating crazy numbers. If his asking price drops I could see us all over him. When I say crazy numbers I dont mean the Marlins arent willing to spend money I mean Boras is telling teams 100+ million at this point. If no one bites and he is on market Dec/Jan I could see Miami making 3/4 years from 50 to 60 million

The Avisail Garcia story is they see a guy WHEN HEALTHY that is a 20-30 HR guy and can hit. IF they can get him at say 2/15 early in the process they will-Dean,Brinson,Harold,Monte,Jesus,Berti even Cooper ALL have options. They are trying to add bats and while Avisail is nothing special he is in 2nd tier of FA and in prime. Also has more power than anyone in lineup right now

They have called on Gardner(likely back to NYY),Dickerson,Calhoun,Brock Holt

Sierra is likely the 26th man and is more up to play defense,pinch run and stuff than to actually play everyday

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Nothing far along yet BUT to piggy back off a MLBtraderumors article

Miami has had talks with Toronto about C(will pick up tommorrow at meetings)

Pompey and a 40 man RP to Toronto for a C and something minor (non 40 man guy or IFA $) has been discussed

Of course Boras wants that. Miami should go for like 4/$68 with Castellanos, and pay him like $18-$24-$14-$12. He's not going to beat that up front money with no state income tax.

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I dont think their plan is to be bad. And they very well might "go for it" in 2022. I just dont think they will be capable of doing so.

I think it's pretty reasonably to think 3-4 major FA over $40+ million can be 10+ WAR and they can get an average 2+ WAR player out of Alfaro, Lewin/Cooper, Isan, Jazz, Anderson, Monte, Sanchez, Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Sixto, and Neidert/Cabrera. That's 24+ more WAR over 12 starting spots. If the bullpen is above average and the bench is solid, they'll be close to 40 WAR (major contenders 45+ last year).

With importantly -no- major breakouts as a 2+ WAR threshold is extremely low. If Jazz and Sixto become studs, Anderson and anyone else consistent 3+ WAR guys, this can scale up fast.

You could be right and they stink, but the floor is really high here and they have a lot of flexibility. They will have a ton of stuff in the minors to trade too.

[tjfla]

Staff is looking GREAT!!! Meulens is signed(Hitting Coach OR 1B)

Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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12h
Hensley Meulens has accepted a job with Miami will be on Marlins coaching staff. They are still working to complete group and finalize roles but hitting coach and 1B are the jobs thought to be open assuming Trey Hillman moves to 3B.

Also

Lindsey Adler
@lindseyadler
· 12h
Yankees director of minor league operations Hadi Raad has been hired by the Miami Marlins to be their new director of pro scouting.

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More Fish FA news

2 new arms Marlins are looking very hard are from the KBO(They still love Hillman there)

Josh Lindblom

https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=lindbl001jos

Kim Kwang-hyun

https://mykbostats.com/players/396-K...yun-SK-Wyverns

Since need "sources" on here

Dan Kurtz
@MyKBO
Korean media reports that scouts from the Padres, Rangers, A's, Dbacks, Giants, Tigers, Mets, Dodgers, Mariners, Twins, and Marlins were at Gocheok last night to watch Kim Kwang-hyun.

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Hillman has tons of ties to KBO and Japan whle Bam Bam Meulens has ties to Didi/Xander and Dutch guys

Bam Bam
Hillman
Rowson
Keith Johnson

look to be fighting for that 2021 Manager of Marlins job

[emkayseven]

Xander just signed an extension this season so I don't think his ties mean much

[tjfla]

Xander just signed an extension this season so I don't think his ties mean much

Meant it more as example of Curacao/Aruba/Antilles IFA players actually. A market I would love for us to get into

Ill replace Xander name with Jonathan Schoop's name then HAHAHAH

[tjfla]

Names are starting to filter out who Miami is looking at for Rule 5 next month(Have to wait till November 20 to find out for sure if eligible)

1 name to watch is Miguel Yajure 22 yr old(May 2020) SP from NYY(of course the NYY). Missed 2017 with TJ and hits 97

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp...ching/2019/ALL

Looks like Denbo is looking hard at NYY guys but reports are he likes this kid ALOT. U know what is gonna happen tho-NYY will trade him to somewhere on Nov 19 and we will miss out

[Lee Stone]

Names are starting to filter out who Miami is looking at for Rule 5 next month(Have to wait till November 20 to find out for sure if eligible)

1 name to watch is Miguel Yajure 22 yr old(May 2020) SP from NYY(of course the NYY). Missed 2017 with TJ and hits 97

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp...ching/2019/ALL

Looks like Denbo is looking hard at NYY guys but reports are he likes this kid ALOT. U know what is gonna happen tho-NYY will trade him to somewhere on Nov 19 and we will miss out

Age and stats wise ... he looks a lot like Edward Cabrera or Sixto Sanchez. I can see why Marlins would love to acquire him ... and can't believe the Yankees would let him go.

[Nick]

Age and stats wise ... he looks a lot like Edward Cabrera or Sixto Sanchez. I can see why Marlins would love to acquire him ... and can't believe the Yankees would let him go.

Yeah, I can't imagine the Yankees will let him go to the Rule 5.

[tjfla]

Yeah, I can't imagine the Yankees will let him go to the Rule 5.

They got a 40 man crunch

Gotta add Oswaldo Cabrera,Florial,Garcia,Nick Nelson,Gil,Medina,Yajure

All 4 are pitchers and likely 1 of Gil,Medina,Yajure get left off but more likely they will end up trading someone like they do every year

Again we have to wait till Nov 20 to find out AND more than likely NYY will do what they always do which is trade 2 or 3 guys for non 4 man types

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Just like SD who has 40 man crunch

Estuery Ruiz,Buddy Reed,Gettys,Ona and about 10 decent older 23 and up arms need to added