2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[rmc523]

Ya IF they trade Caleb for a bat it wont be a one for one like Gallen/Jazz trade.

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Once the FA market settles in 2 weeks the Miami "PLAN" seems to be add a LH OF bat and at least 1 more RP. So 2 guys

They will DFA either Moran or Keller(depends on who DFA now for Yimi) meaning they have to atleast make 1 more move

Urena/Brice and Conley are candidates to get dealt and Dean could be DFA IF needed

Something to watch(I know I was already killed for mentioning this earlier in thread) is Garrett Cooper gone. Hearing he could be sold to Japan OR traded. Like Urena the Marlins dont think he is duarable and now that Aguilar is here/Lewin on 40 man/favorite for Greg Bird still he would be playing corners alot which they even are iffy about. They arent actively doing anything right now but have talked some about it

Hearing we have already "signed"(I put "signed" because we have committments but seen with Bam Bam that can change until announced by team) some interesting MiLB FA already. Won't mention names just in case they dont stay with us

Lol, so we don't want injury-prone Cooper, but we want injury-prone Bird?

[Namaste]

I think Puig should be our main target (beyond a lefty bat). As fish16 mentioned, checks all the boxes for fan favorite.

[lou]

I think Puig should be our main target (beyond a lefty bat). As fish16 mentioned, checks all the boxes for fan favorite.

If it's 3 years, under $40 million, and has a 4th year team option under $15 million, let's do it.

[sports24/7]

Yeah, if there is no issue with Mattingly and Puig it seems like that move should make a ton of sense.

[fish16]

If it's 3 years, under $40 million, and has a 4th year team option under $15 million, let's do it.

That seems like too much for puig. I don’t see the need to go more than 2 years maybe 20 million? I think k you’re overestimating his market

[fauowls44]

According to Heyman, we met with Puig directly at the Winter Meetings.

Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Puig suggested in meeting to Marlins he’d like to play again for Don Mattingly (and of course Derek Jeter). He’d also like to play near his Miami home. Was plus he trekked to San Diego for confab. Dickerson, Calhoun among others under consideration. Avisail might be a tad pricey.
2:04 PM · Dec 13, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

[sports24/7]

Ridin⚾️⚾️
@RidinRosters
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Look for the Cubs to package Heyward in deal with Bryant, gonna be a big return but a team picking up Heyward can lighten the return if they take his contract

If only there were a team looking to take the next step that had a low enough payroll that they could easily absorb both contracts while still keeping them among the lowest payrolls in baseball.

[Nick]

If only there were a team looking to take the next step that had a low enough payroll that they could easily absorb both contracts while still keeping them among the lowest payrolls in baseball.

It's not like that's the type of deal that would immediately revitalize a floundering franchise or something.

[fish16]

What would a package like that include? I wouldn’t do sixto but bleday plus others I’d do depending on the amount of years remaining On Hayward’s deal

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Obviously only if Bryant immediately resigns to a huge long term deal

[rmc523]

What would a package like that include? I wouldn’t do sixto but bleday plus others I’d do depending on the amount of years remaining On Hayward’s deal

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Obviously only if Bryant immediately resigns to a huge long term deal

Heyward is signed through 2023 for $86M:

2020 - $21M
2021 - $21M
2022 - $22M
2023 - $22M

[fish16]

If they covered that salary towards the end I’d do that. Something like take on his salary for the next four years like this towards our salaries- 21 million, 15 million, 10 million, 5-7 million. That makes it a 4 year 51-53 million deal

[lou]

That seems like too much for puig. I don’t see the need to go more than 2 years maybe 20 million? I think k you’re overestimating his market

Signing Puig for 2/$20 is THE WORST thing they can do. That is spending money just to spend in non-contending years. (Villar is different as he is a 4 WAR player and they got him in a trade for nothing).

If they are going to spend even $10 a year on someone in FA, they must get rights to 22/23 so they can start piecing together a playoff team. Absent that, sign whoever this year to a 1/$3 type deal and get to next year. Save money for when it matters. Call this the "Aguilar" strategy (and to note, they have Aguilar under team control for 22).

I'd offer Puig something like 3/$30, with a 4th year option to make it 4/$42+. I'd also pay him $26 million of that in 20/21 so he is super cheap in 2022 to god willingly add more to a playoff potential team (and motivate him in a potential contract year). If I'm overshooting his market, sure make it 3/$27 and do the same front loading with a reasonable option for year 4.

Create some value for 22/23. That's how they should use the money, absent gifts like Villar.

[fish16]

Signing Puig for 2/$20 is THE WORST thing they can do. That is spending money just to spend in non-contending years. (Villar is different as he is a 4 WAR player and they got him in a trade for nothing).

If they are going to spend even $10 a year on someone in FA, they must get rights to 22/23 so they can start piecing together a playoff team. Absent that, sign whoever this year to a 1/$3 type deal and get to next year. Save money for when it matters. Call this the "Aguilar" strategy (and to note, they have Aguilar under team control for 22).

I'd offer Puig something like 3/$30, with a 4th year option to make it 4/$42+. I'd also pay him $26 million of that in 20/21 so he is super cheap in 2022 to god willingly add more to a playoff potential team (and motivate him in a potential contract year). If I'm overshooting his market, sure make it 3/$27 and do the same front loading with a reasonable option for year 4.

Create some value for 22/23. That's how they should use the money, absent gifts like Villar.

That’s not spending money for the sake of spending money, it’s spending money on a stop gap with a very high ceiling who will allow you not to have to rush your prospects while giving you quality production instead of retread guys who we have seen over the years. A two year guy is perfect, especially a high ceiling guy like puig who can give you .800 ops type production for a few years until we can bring up kids like Sanchez, bleday, misner, monte, victor vixrle, Scott, etc. the complete wrong move for an outfielder would be trying to force someone to be a long term piece even though other than castellanos that guy isn’t really out there.

We likely have 3 outfielders already in the system for those years. If we re evaluate after this year and a bunch of guys have down years you can always look for a long term piece next year, but there is no shame in fielding a competitive roster the next two years and signing quality major league talent in the hopes that the prospects develop quicker than anticipated. That’s not spending money for the sake of spending money. Spending money for the sake of spending money would be giving a puig a 4 year deal despite the fact that his market will be two years at the most just to say that we signed a long term piece for the outfield even though we might be able to put together a great long term outfield by as soon as the middle of 2021 with bleday sanchez and monte, all for the league minimum.

[Nick]

That’s not spending money for the sake of spending money, it’s spending money on a stop gap with a very high ceiling who will allow you not to have to rush your prospects while giving you quality production instead of retread guys who we have seen over the years. A two year guy is perfect, especially a high ceiling guy like puig who can give you .800 ops type production for a few years until we can bring up kids like Sanchez, bleday, misner, monte, victor vixrle, Scott, etc. the complete wrong move for an outfielder would be trying to force someone to be a long term piece even though other than castellanos that guy isn’t really out there.

We likely have 3 outfielders already in the system for those years. If we re evaluate after this year and a bunch of guys have down years you can always look for a long term piece next year, but there is no shame in fielding a competitive roster the next two years and signing quality major league talent in the hopes that the prospects develop quicker than anticipated. That’s not spending money for the sake of spending money. Spending money for the sake of spending money would be giving a puig a 4 year deal despite the fact that his market will be two years at the most just to say that we signed a long term piece for the outfield even though we might be able to put together a great long term outfield by as soon as the middle of 2021 with bleday sanchez and monte, all for the league minimum.

There's a pretty big might at the end of your statement there.

[fish16]

There's a pretty big might at the end of your statement there.

Cause prospects are always a crapshoot, but we have two top 40 of prospects in bleday and Sanchez to go along with a whole bunch of other highly regarded guys like monte, misner, Connor Scott, victor victor, jerar, and then maybe Sierra or brinson turn a corner. The entire part of this rebuild is to invest in young guys who can create a young sustainable winning roster for this market. There’s nothing wrong with trying to field a more competitive team for two years by signing a high ceiling likely fan favorite guy like puig who has a very high ceiling who you might be able to trade for another valuable piece In a year or year and a half while waiting one more year to see how this impressive group of outfield prospects might develop and be able to form a good long term outfield for less than a few million dollars for a few years