2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[rmc523]

If they can get a ML ready OF u make the trade

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Still in on Romo,Joe Smith and Cishek too. Probably DFA Moran for spot

Wouldn't be a surprise to see Urena dealt soon

They want 1 or 2 more arms in addition to Garcia

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Fangraphs

In the computer’s eyes, Sterling Sharp is the pitcher most likely to earn a roster spot on merit. At a 91 ERA+ projection, the best of the starters drafted, Sharp would be comfortably above replacement-level. He made THE BOARD as the No. 14 prospect for the Nationals, an impressive curriculum vitae for a player left off the 40-man. Our prospect gurus felt that “he may end up as a core member of a pitching staff rather than just a depth arm.” Sharp’s not obviously one of Miami’s top five starters, but there’s plenty of room in the bullpen to look at him in a swing role, much the same way the Royals used Brad Keller.

Will compete for #5 spot but more likely LR/RP spot

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AAA part of Rule 5

#Marlins get catcher Julian Leon from the #Angels in the AAA phase of the Rule 5 draft.

23 years old. Career .237/.333/.395 line; 30% CS% including 43% last year.

Get a C for AA which we need and lost Jhonny Santos. Twins lost Brian Schales to Detroit for nothing

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Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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Marlins are talking to the Phillies about lefty hitting OF Corey Dickerson. He’s more in play for them than Rosario.

Think he means FA. They prefer a LHB FA like Dickerson or Calhoun the issue right now is both of them are waiting to see if contenders call first.

Yeah, I don't know why Heyman mentioned the Phillies, Dickerson is a FA.

[lou]

Still in on Romo,Joe Smith and Cishek too. Probably DFA Moran for spot

Wouldn't be a surprise to see Urena dealt soon

Well something is going to have to give, as they are at 39 on the 40 man roster right now.

Alfaro, Wallach (2)
Aguilar, Cooper, L. Diaz (3)
I. Diaz, Berti (2)
Villar, Rojas, Jazz (3)
Anderson (1)
Sierra, Brinson, Monte (3)
Ramirez, Dean, J. Sanchez (3)
=17

Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Urena, Yamamoto, Sixto, E. Cabrera, Neidert, Dugger (9)
Steckenrider, Stanek, Y. Garcia, Brice, Brigham, E. Hernandez, Sharp, Guzman, (8)
Garcia, Conley, Quijada (3)
=20

Holloway, Mejia (2 - likely non 2020 players)
=2

Total=39

And the team doesn't make sense as they only have 13 bats they can bring up (Lewin, Jazz, Monte, and Sanchez are summer or later players). They really need 2 more bats for right now as there is no margin of error for an injury. Really any position considering Cooper, Villar, Rojas, Berti, and Anderson can play the whole field twice over, but this is a problem. Dean and Brinson seem like obvious AAA players as the team's 14th and 15th "bats." Pray no catcher gets hurt in this scenario.

So then you need to DFA a pitcher just to get to 19 bats/21 arms, and they want another pitcher? Two pitchers have to go then.

I suppose if you trade Urena and Brice, you can bring in the "lefty OF" they want. Another bench bat. And another RP.

The team would look alright if anyone thinks Yamamoto/Hernandez can hold down spots until the summer.

Theoretical 25 man:

Alfaro, Wallach
Aguilar, Cooper
I. Diaz, "TBD other bat, no idea what position"
Rojas
Villar
"Lefty OF they want"
Berti, Sierra
Anderson, Ramirez
40 man in minors - Brinson, Dean, Lewin, Jazz, Montem, Sanchez

Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Yamamoto, Hernandez/FA Starter < - Pick one of the bolds
Steckenrider, Stanek, Y. Garcia, Brigham, Sharp
Garcia, Conley, Quijada/FA Reliever
40 man - Hernandez/Quijada, Sixto, E. Cabrera, Neidert, Guzman, Dugger, Holloway, Mejia

[tjfla]

Well something is going to have to give, as they are at 39 on the 40 man roster right now.

Alfaro, Wallach (2)
Aguilar, Cooper, L. Diaz (3)
I. Diaz, Berti (2)
Villar, Rojas, Jazz (3)
Anderson (1)
Sierra, Brinson, Monte (3)
Ramirez, Dean, J. Sanchez (3)
=17

Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Urena, Yamamoto, Sixto, E. Cabrera, Neidert, Dugger (9)
Steckenrider, Stanek, Y. Garcia, Brice, Brigham, E. Hernandez, Sharp, Guzman, (8)
Garcia, Conley, Quijada (3)
=20

Holloway, Mejia (2 - likely non 2020 players)
=2

Total=39

And the team doesn't make sense as they only have 13 bats they can bring up (Lewin, Jazz, Monte, and Sanchez are summer or later players). They really need 2 more bats for right now as there is no margin of error for an injury. Really any position considering Cooper, Villar, Rojas, Berti, and Anderson can play the whole field twice over, but this is a problem. Dean and Brinson seem like obvious AAA players as the team's 14th and 15th "bats." Pray no catcher gets hurt in this scenario.

So then you need to DFA a pitcher just to get to 19 bats/21 arms, and they want another pitcher? Two pitchers have to go then.

I suppose if you trade Urena and Brice, you can bring in the "lefty OF" they want. Another bench bat. And another RP.

The team would look alright if anyone thinks Yamamoto/Hernandez can hold down spots until the summer.

Theoretical 25 man:

Alfaro, Wallach
Aguilar, Cooper
I. Diaz, "TBD other bat, no idea what position"
Rojas
Villar
"Lefty OF they want"
Berti, Sierra
Anderson, Ramirez
40 man in minors - Brinson, Dean, Lewin, Jazz, Montem, Sanchez

Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Yamamoto, Hernandez/FA Starter < - Pick one of the bolds
Steckenrider, Stanek, Y. Garcia, Brigham, Sharp
Garcia, Conley, Quijada/FA Reliever
40 man - Hernandez/Quijada, Sixto, E. Cabrera, Neidert, Guzman, Dugger, Holloway, Mejia

Actually at 40 right now

DFA-Moran/Keller easily and trade Urena

So
Garcia-Moran
RP-Keller
Bat-Urena

Make decision with Austin Dean and Conley

100% want another RP and would like a SP but not a priority especially at these prices

I see it as sign FA RP and DFA Keller. Then trade Urena for mid level prospect(non 40 man) and minor piece like IFA $,pick or low level prospect and sign a FA bat

[tjfla]

Sharp is going to the pen

Rotation
Caleb
Sandy
Pablo
Yamamoto
Elieser

Pen
Quijada
Jarlin
Yimi
Brice
Steck
Stanek
Sharp
FA?

No Urena or Conley(I think both dealt). Dugger,Elieser,Stanek and Brigham have options

40 man arms are Dugger,Guzman,Sixto,Neidert,Cabrera,Holloway,Mejia
Non 40 man arms(who could appear) are Dylan Lee,Castano,Eveld,Alex Mateo,Chad Smith,Poteet,Beggs,Keller?,Moran?,Milb FA

Caleb can be had for the RIGHT price. Probably ML bat and young 21/22 arm

[lou]

Actually at 40 right now

Urena or Conley(I think both dealt). Dugger,Elieser,Stanek and Brigham have options

Caleb can be had for the RIGHT price. Probably ML bat and young 21/22 arm

I care about the practical list and that's really at 39 as they extremely likely aren't releasing any of these dudes below. Trades? Sure. I don't care about Keller/Moran's current status. They ain't cutting it even if they might be able to play in some other team's pen as a last guy or two.

This should be easier to visualize as a 25 man versus the 40 man.

It's really a mess as there aren't any injury replacements for position players. Those other 4 guys can't come up. They really need two other 25 man options.

Moving SP creates other problems. I like the rotation as-is for the season right now. Hernandez and Dugger are good 6/7 starters until the other 3 are ready post super-2. Then we can talk trading starters if they all hold up.

C - Alfaro, Wallach (2)
1B - Aguilar, Cooper, L. Diaz (3)
2B - I. Diaz, Berti (2)
SS - Rojas, Jazz (2)
3B - Villar, Anderson (2)
CF - Sierra, Brinson, Monte (3)
OF - Ramirez, Dean, J. Sanchez (3)
=17

SP - Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Urena, Yamamoto, E. Hernandez, Dugger, Neidert, Sixto, E. Cabrera (10)
RP - Steckenrider, Stanek, Y. Garcia, Brice, Sharp, Brigham, Guzman, (7)
LP - Garcia, Conley, Quijada (3)
Other - Holloway, Mejia (2 - likely non 2020 players)
=22

Total=39

-I think I'd trade Brice for whatever, move Brigham into the pen. This opens up the spot for Castellanos/Ozuna/Puig/Myers-salary dump/etc. i.e., the longterm move
-Trade Dean to the Royals or Orioles or Mariners or Tigers for a token outside top 30-40 prospect, and sign some left handed veteran bat for 1 year. Brinson and Ramirez go to AAA.
-Sign a lefty bullpen arm with the last spot and kick Quijada to AAA.

That makes sense to me. 19 bats/21 arms, with Ramirez, Brinson, Hernandez, Dugger, and Quijada in AAA.

[Namaste]

A 2.5 war guy for a few years? That’s not terribly hard to find? Why trade smith for two years of a 2.5 war guy rather than keep smith and just sign a guy who can get you 2-2.5 war. It makes 0 sense. It’s not that he’s a bad player, it’s that trading an asset for 2 years of him is idiotic rather than keeping him and signing one of the 5-10 good outfielders available

Pretty sure literally no one is advocating a one for one Caleb for Rosario trade.

[tjfla]

Pretty sure literally no one is advocating a one for one Caleb for Rosario trade.

Ya IF they trade Caleb for a bat it wont be a one for one like Gallen/Jazz trade.

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I care about the practical list and that's really at 39 as they extremely likely aren't releasing any of these dudes below. Trades? Sure. I don't care about Keller/Moran's current status. They ain't cutting it even if they might be able to play in some other team's pen as a last guy or two.

This should be easier to visualize as a 25 man versus the 40 man.

It's really a mess as there aren't any injury replacements for position players. Those other 4 guys can't come up. They really need two other 25 man options.

Moving SP creates other problems. I like the rotation as-is for the season right now. Hernandez and Dugger are good 6/7 starters until the other 3 are ready post super-2. Then we can talk trading starters if they all hold up.

C - Alfaro, Wallach (2)
1B - Aguilar, Cooper, L. Diaz (3)
2B - I. Diaz, Berti (2)
SS - Rojas, Jazz (2)
3B - Villar, Anderson (2)
CF - Sierra, Brinson, Monte (3)
OF - Ramirez, Dean, J. Sanchez (3)
=17

SP - Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Urena, Yamamoto, E. Hernandez, Dugger, Neidert, Sixto, E. Cabrera (10)
RP - Steckenrider, Stanek, Y. Garcia, Brice, Sharp, Brigham, Guzman, (7)
LP - Garcia, Conley, Quijada (3)
Other - Holloway, Mejia (2 - likely non 2020 players)
=22

Total=39

-I think I'd trade Brice for whatever, move Brigham into the pen. This opens up the spot for Castellanos/Ozuna/Puig/Myers-salary dump/etc. i.e., the longterm move
-Trade Dean to the Royals or Orioles or Mariners or Tigers for a token outside top 30-40 prospect, and sign some left handed veteran bat for 1 year. Brinson and Ramirez go to AAA.
-Sign a lefty bullpen arm with the last spot and kick Quijada to AAA.

That makes sense to me. 19 bats/21 arms, with Ramirez, Brinson, Hernandez, Dugger, and Quijada in AAA.

Once the FA market settles in 2 weeks the Miami "PLAN" seems to be add a LH OF bat and at least 1 more RP. So 2 guys

They will DFA either Moran or Keller(depends on who DFA now for Yimi) meaning they have to atleast make 1 more move

Urena/Brice and Conley are candidates to get dealt and Dean could be DFA IF needed

Something to watch(I know I was already killed for mentioning this earlier in thread) is Garrett Cooper gone. Hearing he could be sold to Japan OR traded. Like Urena the Marlins dont think he is duarable and now that Aguilar is here/Lewin on 40 man/favorite for Greg Bird still he would be playing corners alot which they even are iffy about. They arent actively doing anything right now but have talked some about it

Hearing we have already "signed"(I put "signed" because we have committments but seen with Bam Bam that can change until announced by team) some interesting MiLB FA already. Won't mention names just in case they dont stay with us

[lou]

Ya IF they trade Caleb for a bat it wont be a one for one like Gallen/Jazz trade.

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Once the FA market settles in 2 weeks the Miami "PLAN" seems to be add a LH OF bat and at least 1 more RP. So 2 guys

They will DFA either Moran or Keller(depends on who DFA now for Yimi) meaning they have to atleast make 1 more move

Urena/Brice and Conley are candidates to get dealt and Dean could be DFA IF needed

Something to watch(I know I was already killed for mentioning this earlier in thread) is Garrett Cooper gone. Hearing he could be sold to Japan OR traded. Like Urena the Marlins dont think he is duarable and now that Aguilar is here/Lewin on 40 man/favorite for Greg Bird still he would be playing corners alot which they even are iffy about. They arent actively doing anything right now but have talked some about it

Hearing we have already "signed"(I put "signed" because we have committments but seen with Bam Bam that can change until announced by team) some interesting MiLB FA already. Won't mention names just in case they dont stay with us

I did notice a weird thing Mattingly said about Cooper, how he isn't an everyday guy - https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status...41927999934469

That's fine? He's a good bench bat for 350-400 PA for a few years maybe?

Anyways, they just need some more dudes for roster balance and getting to the super 2 deadline. It'll become easier when the kids "have" to play.

[Lee Stone]

"We're in a good position, we really are," Marlins president of baseball operations Michael Hill said yesterday.

How uplifting is that??

Jon Berti is our most productive outfielder.
Miguel Rojas is our STARTING SS.
Isan Diaz didn't just raise doubts in his first pass at the majors, he cemented them.
Our top prospect (according to fangraphs) is being increasingly viewed as a relief pitcher by scouts (again, according to fangraphs).
Jose Urena clone Sandy Alcantara (just look at what Jose did statistically in 2017 and 2018) is projected as our opening day starter.
We are relegated to making excuses for our wannabe future outfielders Harrison, J Sanchez, and Bleday instead of reveling in their minor league achievement.
Our catcher leads the world in whiffage.

Yep, I'm feeling a little sour. Has Michael Hill inspired confidence for you?

[tjfla]

I did notice a weird thing Mattingly said about Cooper, how he isn't an everyday guy - https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status...41927999934469

That's fine? He's a good bench bat for 350-400 PA for a few years maybe?

Anyways, they just need some more dudes for roster balance and getting to the super 2 deadline. It'll become easier when the kids "have" to play.

Ya not saying he isnt. Backup 1B/Corners has more power than Dean. They exploring tons of stuff right now. They want that LH OF bat and RP bad as soon as they get that stuff then plan on moving onto arms/Cooper and whatever.

IF they get Dickerson and Romo(just say those 2) it probably will cost them 12-13 million this year(Dickerson 8 and Romo 4-5) and then they know what else they can add in salary dumps,trades they can make(Urena,Brice,Conley,Cooper). Dickerson AND Calhoun want 2 year OR 1 and 1 deals for about 16-18 million but are waiting to see if any contenders call first

The FA market doesnt settle for another few weeks which means they are fine right now. Let market settle then figure out what teams missed on arms and call them to see. If Minnesota and St Louis miss on SP then they call us. Oakland still loves Urena and Brice

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"We're in a good position, we really are," Marlins president of baseball operations Michael Hill said yesterday.

How uplifting is that??

Jon Berti is our most productive outfielder.
Miguel Rojas is our STARTING SS.
Isan Diaz didn't just raise doubts in his first pass at the majors, he cemented them.
Our top prospect (according to fangraphs) is being increasingly viewed as a relief pitcher by scouts (again, according to fangraphs).
Jose Urena clone Sandy Alcantara (just look at what Jose did statistically in 2017 and 2018) is projected as our opening day starter.
We are relegated to making excuses for our wannabe future outfielders Harrison, J Sanchez, and Bleday instead of reveling in their minor league achievement.
Our catcher leads the world in whiffage.

Yep, I'm feeling a little sour. Has Michael Hill inspired confidence for you?

So true Sixto is a RP and Sandy is so terrible EVERY team in ML has called to see if we will trade him

We need Lee in the FO. Heineman starting C,Dustin Beggs and Ben Meyer in rotation and whatever other crazy stuff he has mentioned

Cabrera a RP too right?

[Nick]

I dont agree with a lot of what Lee said there, but it is frustrating that Mike Hill is still here and still selling candy and Rose's for what will assuredly be another 90+ Loss season.

[lou]

"We're in a good position, we really are," Marlins president of baseball operations Michael Hill said yesterday.

How uplifting is that??

Jon Berti is our most productive outfielder.
Miguel Rojas is our STARTING SS.
Isan Diaz didn't just raise doubts in his first pass at the majors, he cemented them.
Our top prospect (according to fangraphs) is being increasingly viewed as a relief pitcher by scouts (again, according to fangraphs).
Jose Urena clone Sandy Alcantara (just look at what Jose did statistically in 2017 and 2018) is projected as our opening day starter.
We are relegated to making excuses for our wannabe future outfielders Harrison, J Sanchez, and Bleday instead of reveling in their minor league achievement.
Our catcher leads the world in whiffage.

Yep, I'm feeling a little sour. Has Michael Hill inspired confidence for you?

Come on man:

Berti had an amazing year out of nowhere - that's great

Rojas is a fine stopgap option to Jazz or super premium bench player - that's great

Isan had a low BABIP and annihilated AAA - give it up, he deserves a shot and not a cup of coffee

Sixto could be a reliever? Who knows? So then they have an ace-reliever and Sandy, Pablo, Neidert, Garrett, and Cabrera in the rotation? Cool. Guys are going to be turned into RP anyways - Performance will work this out and it'll be fine

Sandy is good - Give it up

Those guys are all top 100 prospects so why are you bitching when they haven't become Brinson - give it up

Alfaro is fine - Catching is hard

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I dont agree with a lot of what Lee said there, but it is frustrating that Mike Hill is still here and still selling candy and Rose's for what will assuredly be another 90+ Loss season.

I'm reserving judgment until the season as they have at least 2-4 moves left to make and there could be a big one in there. I'm optimistic they have a plan since they picked up Villar. We'll see.

[Nick]

I'm reserving judgment until the season as they have at least 2-4 moves left to make and there could be a big one in there. I'm optimistic they have a plan since they picked up Villar. We'll see.

I think they have a plan too, and I like the direction they're headed. They still haven't proved to me they'll spend money, though. Which is probably the biggest question mark with this new FO since they took over.

And honestly I don't think Michael Hill has much to do with the moves and direction of the organization these days, but it's like I can't fully move on from the Loria and Samson era because this bozo is still here and talking to the media.

[Lee Stone]

Teheran, J ATL 10 11 3.81 33 33 0 0 174.2 148 81 74 22 83 162 .229 1.32
Alcantara, S MIA 6 14 3.88 32 32 0 0 197.1 179 94 85 23 81 151 .241 1.32

Those are 2019 stats. Hard to imagine two pitchers getting similar results. Alcantara is viewed as Marlins #1. Atlanta wanted no part of Teheran.

[Nick]

Teheran, J ATL 10 11 3.81 33 33 0 0 174.2 148 81 74 22 83 162 .229 1.32
Alcantara, S MIA 6 14 3.88 32 32 0 0 197.1 179 94 85 23 81 151 .241 1.32

Those are 2019 stats. Alcantara is viewed as Marlins #1. Atlanta wanted no part of Teheran.

Before anyone says anything.

There are several differences between Alcantara and Teheran, but there's one big one. What is it Lee?