2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[Namaste]

Boston is going to get smoked in that division if they don’t at least add a Pablo type arm.

[fish16]

Lewin diaz is going to get DFA'd by the entire league by the end of spring training.

[lou]

Maybe they should swap LeBlanc for Thompson who was just DFA'd. He has options so if they can work their magic again, that helps with the bridge to Eury backup starter position, etc.

And add Reynolds and Bednar to the deal for lots and lots of other stuff of course.

[lou]

Lee - fangraphs also now projects Busch to a DH, Pages to RF, Vargas to LF, and Outman to RF - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/los-ange...rospects-2023/

So those trades expecting to get back a 2B/1B, 3B, CF, and CF would have likely been a disaster even if those guys hit. Dodgers don't match up well even if their system is solid.

[Lee Stone]

Lee - fangraphs also now projects Busch to a DH, Pages to RF, Vargas to LF, and Outman to RF - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/los-ange...rospects-2023/

So those trades expecting to get back a 2B/1B, 3B, CF, and CF would have likely been a disaster even if those guys hit. Dodgers don't match up well even if their system is solid.

Agree that a deal with Dodgers no longer seems feasible. I'd certainly like to get their catching prospect Cartaya though.

I'd like to see Ian Lewis, Cappe, Salas, and Watson start getting some reps in CF.

[lou]

Agree that a deal with Dodgers no longer seems feasible. I'd certainly like to get their catching prospect Cartaya though.

I'd like to see Ian Lewis, Cappe, Salas, and Watson start getting some reps in CF.

It's probably just Salas and Watson there, but don't disagree they should be exclusive SS/CF right now and if Salas has to kick to 3B if he gets too big and Watson 2B if he can't do it, so be it. Cappe seems destined for 3B and Lewis 2B from what I've read. Frankly, they are all at best summer 2025 guys, more than likely later, so no one is helping soon so plenty of time to figure this out.

[fish16]

At this point, i think this would be my ideal scenario before opening day. Pablo and Rojas for Verdugo and Rafaela. Rogers, Eder/Meyer, Watson/Salas, lower level guys for reynolds. Sign Cueto. Take a flier on Reyes and Chapman for cheap 1 year deals to give the bullpen some high upside guys. Sign BA back for a couple million.


C- Fortes
1b- Cooper
2b- Jazz
SS- Wendle
3b- Segura
LF- Reynolds
CF- Verdugo
RF- Garcia
DH- Soler
Bench- BA, Stallings, Berti, DLC, if we carry a 5th bench guy Sanchez/Bleday with the other getting every day playing time in AAA

Lineup could be- Segura, Jazz, Reynolds, Verdugo, Garcia, Soler, Cooper, Wendle, Fortes
Sp- Sandy, Luzardo, Cabrera, Cueto, Garrett, with Eury, Eder/Meyer, and Fulton as depth and future guys
RP- Chapman, Reyes, Floro, Chargois, Enright, Scott, Bleier, Okert

That's a really good team IMO. Obviously they would need to stay healthy because they dont have the money to be able to have quality depth like some of these other teams do, but that's a contender i would think with some health and better bullpen late in games. You flip the balance of the roster without decimating a super talented and super cheap rotation, and you get more velocity and upside out of the bullpen and hope Chapman bounces back and reyes stays healthy.

[fish16]

It's probably just Salas and Watson there, but don't disagree they should be exclusive SS/CF right now and if Salas has to kick to 3B if he gets too big and Watson 2B if he can't do it, so be it. Cappe seems destined for 3B and Lewis 2B from what I've read. Frankly, they are all at best summer 2025 guys, more than likely later, so no one is helping soon so plenty of time to figure this out.

I agree with this. Obviously some of those guys might be part of trades to get immediate bats very soon here, but i think if they arent involved in any of the trades, by this time next year we will have a much better idea where those guys stand and their potential long term. Id have no problem seeing them in trades, but i wouldnt be upset if they try to keep them all and move some other pieces in the farm and get another year to evaluate all of Watson, Salas, Lewis, and Cappe.

[lou]

At this point, i think this would be my ideal scenario before opening day. Pablo and Rojas for Verdugo and Rafaela. Rogers, Eder/Meyer, Watson/Salas, lower level guys for reynolds. Sign Cueto. Take a flier on Reyes and Chapman for cheap 1 year deals to give the bullpen some high upside guys. Sign BA back for a couple million.


C- Fortes
1b- Cooper
2b- Jazz
SS- Wendle
3b- Segura
LF- Reynolds
CF- Verdugo
RF- Garcia
DH- Soler
Bench- BA, Stallings, Berti, DLC, if we carry a 5th bench guy Sanchez/Bleday with the other getting every day playing time in AAA

Lineup could be- Segura, Jazz, Reynolds, Verdugo, Garcia, Soler, Cooper, Wendle, Fortes
Sp- Sandy, Luzardo, Cabrera, Cueto, Garrett, with Eury, Eder/Meyer, and Fulton as depth and future guys
RP- Chapman, Reyes, Floro, Chargois, Enright, Scott, Bleier, Okert

That's a really good team IMO. Obviously they would need to stay healthy because they dont have the money to be able to have quality depth like some of these other teams do, but that's a contender i would think with some health and better bullpen late in games. You flip the balance of the roster without decimating a super talented and super cheap rotation, and you get more velocity and upside out of the bullpen and hope Chapman bounces back and reyes stays healthy.

Verdugo/Rafaela is light for Pablo/Rojas, so just add in another FV45 or a FV40+ and FV40 guy to help offset and it could work, and/or absorb Scott or Bleier which shaves $2.5m which can be redirected to Cueto. Blaze Jordan seems like a good target here. Blaze + taking Bleier's $3m off their hands would be good IMO. They could start with Castano and have Simpson/Nardi.

I think you'd be playing Reynolds/DLC in CF also versus Verdugo, who would be LF only for RHP pretty much. But that's fine.

Otherwise I can get behind all of this as I do think BA would be an interesting 1B/3B/OF kind of platoon player. Even better if they would say, add Michael Taylor to this for CF (all lefties, some righties) and send DLC to AAA. Shitty situation for DLC as he might be improving with the swing tweak, but thems the ropes. Someone will get hurt so he'll still get his and just have to wait.

[Namaste]

Bauer DFA’d by Dodgers. Imagine how many secret squirrel phone calls are being made right now to his agent.

[fish16]

Bauer DFA’d by Dodgers. Imagine how many secret squirrel phone calls are being made right now to his agent.

honestly, hed be a great addition if you dont pay for your own water bill or can afford the amount of water youd need to shower before and after his starts in order to feel clean bringing him on. in all seriousness though,youd have to think that dudes career is over.

[fish16]

it's kind of funny that at this point, with all of our inactivity, the marlins now control the offseason until opening day. all the free agents are gone, and it feels like the entire league is waiting on the marlins to make their trade, or until the pirates trade reynolds, which are probably connected.

[Nick]

it's kind of funny that at this point, with all of our inactivity, the marlins now control the offseason until opening day. all the free agents are gone, and it feels like the entire league is waiting on the marlins to make their trade, or until the pirates trade reynolds, which are probably connected.

Or just most teams are content with what they've done while the Marlins offseason seemingly hasn't started.

[Lee Stone]

Or just most teams are content with what they've done while the Marlins offseason seemingly hasn't started.

I don't expect any meaningful deals until well into spring training. Injuries to starters around the league coupled with strong Marlin pitching performances will create the best opportunities.

[Nick]

I don't expect any meaningful deals until well into spring training. Injuries to starters around the league coupled with strong Marlin pitching performances will create the best opportunities.

I'm not saying it can't happen, but Spring Training is not the time where you see a lot of blockbuster trades happening. More like trades to get the 26th man on the roster, or a lefty reliever that's going to get DFA'd is dealt. If nothing happens between now and spring training it's another in a long line of failures for this FO.