2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

Saw that Jim Bowden suggested a deal for Reynolds could be Watson, Meyer, Fulton, and Mesa Jr.

So no current top 6 SP, Eury, any other top 100 prospects (Berry, Salas, maybe Cappe), or the healthier of the two major injured arms (Eder?).

Where do we sign up for this Jim?

theres not a chance in hell thats all it will take. if it was that deal would have been done months ago.

[lou]

theres not a chance in hell thats all it will take. if it was that deal would have been done months ago.

Totally, however maybe lets read this as a silver lining that "baseball folk" may like Watson A LOT still even if he scuffled for the middle part of the season before getting his head straight late, no one is worried about the Meyer TJ, Fulton is better than we think and has in fact added velocity to the funky delivery so we're thinking more # 3 SP versus a #4/good reliever projection, and Mesa Jr.'s good BB/K rate is going to play up.

Or maybe Jim Bowden just looked at MLB pipeline and picked the Marlins 2, 7, 8, and 13th ranked prospect and thinks that makes sense.

[Lee Stone]

Here's one to play with: Which Marlin starter will have the best ERA/WHIP in the coming season? Thinking forward instead of backward, the top six current starters could fall into nearly any order.

Same question on a minor league level. Which of Perez, Eder or Fulton has the best numbers?

[Nick]

Here's one to play with: Which Marlin starter will have the best ERA/WHIP in the coming season? Thinking forward instead of backward, the top six current starters could fall into nearly any order.

Same question on a minor league level. Which of Perez, Eder or Fulton has the best numbers?

Definitely even chance between Sandy and Braxton Garrett.

[sports24/7]

Ken Rosenthal suggesting Miami and San Diego are fighting it out so sign Cueto, with the Reds in the mix as well. We have to be conditioned to lose out once again, but it's interesting that they're going after him hard, if this is true. It has to mean they're close to moving a SP or multiple SP.

[fish16]

Ken Rosenthal suggesting Miami and San Diego are fighting it out so sign Cueto, with the Reds in the mix as well. We have to be conditioned to lose out once again, but it's interesting that they're going after him hard, if this is true. It has to mean they're close to moving a SP or multiple SP.

came here to say the exact thing. I dont care if they have to overpay at this point, they need to get cueto because in a roundabout way it's literally the only way they improve their offense. There are no other pitchers on the market that are both good and can be relied on to eat a lot of innings for us next year and allow us to trade pablo + for 2-3 impact bats right away.

[Erick]

Here's one to play with: Which Marlin starter will have the best ERA/WHIP in the coming season? Thinking forward instead of backward, the top six current starters could fall into nearly any order.

Same question on a minor league level. Which of Perez, Eder or Fulton has the best numbers?

Sandy Alcantara.

Fun game.

[fish16]

Leblanc dfa’d for segura. Turns out the marlins don’t think he’s much of anything either

[Namaste]

According to Twitter LeBlanc had the highest fWAR (0.9) of anyone DFA’d this year.

Right handed hitting infielders is where we have the biggest log jam. But it definitely feels weird (or promising for what’s to come in the off season for the Marlins to DFA a good bat

[Lee Stone]

Do the Marlins really plan on playing Segura at third? Doing so would certainly minimize his impact. I assumed that Jazz would be moving to SS, as was envisioned by the Marlins when they traded for him.

[lou]

According to Twitter LeBlanc had the highest fWAR (0.9) of anyone DFA’d this year.

Right handed hitting infielders is where we have the biggest log jam. But it definitely feels weird (or promising for what’s to come in the off season for the Marlins to DFA a good bat

I think it's the bold.

You don't keep all of Brazoban, Castano (OOO), Villalobos, and Reynolds.... and then Simpson, Nardi, and Soriano as slightly higher graded arms after them... and then Nance and Enright who likely grade a little better after them, for a total of 9 flyer RP guys and maybe 1-2 of these guys ends up on the 26 man roster as Floro/Chargois/Scott/Bleier/Okert are locked in. Frankly, Castano and Enright are gone if they don't make the roster so there is the bullpen right there as they have 6 SP at the moment.

So I agree, you can DFA someone there (Brazoban seems very obvious here no???) and keep LeBlanc, unless you have a plan where LeBlanc isn't needed. This goes to Luke Williams also who they just DFA'd and he's also a totally fine AAA replacement bat. (Is this a back handed compliment there is organizational depth where we are starting to complain about some DFA's (Poteet, Neidert, LeBlanc))? So the plan has to be some other 26 man roster 1B/OF or 1B/3B type and are Jerar and Groshans getting 1B time before LeBlanc from AAA call ups hence, LeBlanc does not matter at all? Do they like Johnston more also? Plus, I imagine LeBlanc gets traded for an outside top 30 flyer RP prospect not on the 40 man as some organization will take him for that AAA depth role. So you probably get something.

So some moves are coming for sure.

[fish16]

I think it's the bold.

You don't keep all of Brazoban, Castano (OOO), Villalobos, and Reynolds.... and then Simpson, Nardi, and Soriano as slightly higher graded arms after them... and then Nance and Enright who likely grade a little better after them, for a total of 9 flyer RP guys and maybe 1-2 of these guys ends up on the 26 man roster as Floro/Chargois/Scott/Bleier/Okert are locked in. Frankly, Castano and Enright are gone if they don't make the roster so there is the bullpen right there as they have 6 SP at the moment.

So I agree, you can DFA someone there (Brazoban seems very obvious here no???) and keep LeBlanc, unless you have a plan where LeBlanc isn't needed. This goes to Luke Williams also who they just DFA'd and he's also a totally fine AAA replacement bat. (Is this a back handed compliment there is organizational depth where we are starting to complain about some DFA's (Poteet, Neidert, LeBlanc))? So the plan has to be some other 26 man roster 1B/OF or 1B/3B type and are Jerar and Groshans getting 1B time before LeBlanc from AAA call ups hence, LeBlanc does not matter at all? Do they like Johnston more also? Plus, I imagine LeBlanc gets traded for an outside top 30 flyer RP prospect not on the 40 man as some organization will take him for that AAA depth role. So you probably get something.

So some moves are coming for sure.

completely agree. Between the news of us being in the final 2 for cueto, all the trade talk, and leblanc being DFA'd, they definitely have multiple big moves coming up. I think Leblanc will sneak through waivers though. Most teams dont have 40 man roster spots and while he looked good in comparison to the rest of the lineups we were throwing out there last year, his BABIP was ridiculously high, he struck out a lot, didnt walk, and his overall numbers with a .723 OPS is not all that impressive in a small sample size.

[lou]

Do the Marlins really plan on playing Segura at third? Doing so would certainly minimize his impact. I assumed that Jazz would be moving to SS, as was envisioned by the Marlins when they traded for him.

Not really. 2B and 3B depth are incredibly low in baseball right now so playing a guy at either doesn't change the value you are getting. For perspective, Berti graded out as the 17th best 2B / 20th best 3B last year in just 404 PA. That's a mid .600 OPS, above average (not elite) defense, and best in baseball base running value. Look at guys like Ramon Urias who had a low .700 OPS/excellent defense/no base running value and he graded out about the same as Berti. You can easily argue these guys as average starters at 2B/3B based on 2022 as their value would rise with more PA (Urias also well under 500 PA). And yes before fish16 yells, we all know these guys are miscast as starters and should be the super utility guy on a contending team, but you can't also ignore the performance and they bring a lot to the table. Further perspective, Jazz was the 13th best 2B in "60" games. 2B and 3B are just bad once you get past the first glut of guys.

As long as Segura can field 3B (which I imagine he should be able to do), he's going to be a floor average starter there as a low/mid .700 OPS bat/good defense/can bench against some right handers to increase team production. He has a good year or plays some real good defense, he probably creeps to the 10-14 range. This is absent incredible gains by other 2B/3B in the league which I don't see coming. He doesn't move the needle to contending, but he can be the first brick of the 3-4 other major players they need. CF? Some other 1B/3B or 1B/OF type? High leverage RHP reliever? Hello?

If they are looking to win, it's frankly playing the best splits and defensive alignment in the infield (vs RHP Jazz-Wendle-Segura/Berti, vs LHP - Segura-Rojas-Berti). Whoever you'd move to 2B would just decrease 2B production even if SS upticks if Jazz can do it. It would be a wash based on their personnel how I see this. But this goes back to - more things are coming so who knows.

The longterm view of moving Jazz to SS might be believing Edwards is a future 2B starter, so the best defensive alignment next year and beyond is Edwards/Berti-Jazz- Segura/Groshans, and then maybe Salas/Watson becomes a 2B and Cappe/Salas a 3B and Watson/Salas/Cappe an OF so Jazz is in fact really needed at SS, but you can cross that bridge when you get there and those decisions don't need to be made today. Maybe the team sucks and we get to July, and then they do a 2+ month experiment of Jazz at SS when nothing matters anymore?

Basically what I am saying here is, they should have signed Correa/Xander/Swanson/Turner and not Segura. That was the mistake. But Segura is going to be fine and the Marlins have a good five player 2B/SS/3B depth chart right now ignoring who the hell is playing CF and helping Cooper at an absolute minimum.

[fish16]

If we can sign Cueto, trade Cooper and Pablo for Casas, and then rogers and prospects for Reynolds, it's really not a bad offseason other than the lack of adding a closer once again.

C- Fortes
1b- Casas
2b- Jazz
SS- Rojas/Wendle pure platoon
3b- Segura
LF- DLC/Sanchez/Bleday
CF- Reynolds
RF- Garcia
DH- Soler

Sp- Sandy, Luzardo, Cabrera, Cueto, Garrett with Eury, Eder/Meyer leftover, and Fulton still in the long term pipeline. We could use one more veteran OF that can hit ideally, but that's a marked improvement from last years lineup. And if they can hang in it until the deadline you can trade for an upgrade in LF for a prospect or 2 if DLC/Sanchez/Bleday struggle. Plus i think Garcia especially is going to have a good bounceback year. He's been working out with Jazz and looks actually in shape as opposed to last year when he showed up fat, plus his track record indicates good years after down years.

[fish16]

Has correa even officially signed with the mets yet? did i miss that getting resolved? It wouldnt happen but say they cant clear him long term, it would be amazing if they snag him on another 2-3 year deal while still adding a guy like reynolds and whatever bat they get for pablo. That's a legit contender. Unfortunately bruce sherman is our owner.