2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[Nick]

Bumgarner has a 5-team No-Trade List. I'd bet good money we're one of the 5.

[sports24/7]

Mish is reporting that Joe Espada and Matt Quatraro will conduct second interviews for the Marlins Manager job. He suggested there were interviews that were not reported, but that DeRosa was not one of them. Also, if I'm reading the tea leaves properly based on some of his responses to others, it feels like he may believe it's going to be Espada.

There's a report out there that the White Sox are hiring Espada. If that's true, there goes that. Picking Chicago over Miami is an incredibly easy decision.

[sports24/7]

Add Cardinals Bench Coach Skip Schumaker to the list of second interviews.

[rmc523]

There's a report out there that the White Sox are hiring Espada. If that's true, there goes that. Picking Chicago over Miami is an incredibly easy decision.

There's only one source I've seen saying that, and I've never heard of the guy. None of the usual big reporters (Rosenthal, etc.) have reported it, so I'm not so sure it's true.

[rmc523]

There seems to be 4 finalists for manager:

-Matt Quatraro
-Joe Espada
-Skip Schumaker
-Luis Rojas

Espada, Quatraro, Schumaker Finalists For Marlins Manager - MLB Trade Rumors



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The Marlins have also apparently interviewed Oz Ocampo for an assistant GM position. He's involved in international scouting right now.

Marlins Interview Astros' Oz Ocampo For Assistant GM - MLB Trade Rumors

[lou]

bumgarner is too much money for that to be the return on pablo. Id do pablo and soler for bumgarner and thomas or garrett and soler for bumgarner and mccarthy. If bumgarner was a free agent after next year maybe, but 23 million next year and 14 the year after is too much for a guy who hasnt had a XFIP less than 4.32 since 2017.

Or just trade pablo and find a CF you identify like a Thomas type and hope for a bounce back from Soler and Garcia instead of taking on even more money for someone elses "Soler" or "garcia"

That's my ideal offseason: Pablo for Thomas, in an ideal world spend money on Correa, and then sign some bullpen arms.

C- Fortes/Stallings
1b- Cooper
2b- Jazz
SS- Correa
3b- Anderson/Wendle
LF- Bleday/Sanchez platoon
CF-Thomas
RF- Garcia
DH- Soler

Bench- Rojas, Leblanc, backup C, Anderson/Wendle, Berti
SP- Sandy, Luzardo, Garrett, Cabrera, Rogers
RP- Floro, Bleier, Tanner Scott, Okert, 1 closer, 2 middle relievers (we're talking maybe 10-15 million to adress the bullpen)

That's a lot more pop and depth in the lineup, the rotation will have some innings limitations for one year but they can survive that and with limited money they have to take calculated risks, and the bullpen will be shallow but good relievers get signed for very little every single year.

Lou can probably do the math as far as what that costs but thats the best they can do.

There are also a few ways they can save a little money here and there- nontendering Elieser, declining Wendle's 6.3 million option and going to arbitration with him which is projected for a million less, etc. They can make it work if Sherman is willing to open up the wallet for a star like Correa to win.

As a rough estimate for purposes of spitballing a team together on a message board, assume any marquee FA (Correa, Turner, Judge, etc.) is a $110m payroll no matter what they do with everyone else. That is no additional major signings. You can start scaling that down $5-15m for the classes below those guys (Xander, then Swanson/Nimmo, then Edwin/Rizzo, etc.).

So that's a $120-130m team you have above with the "address the bullpen" line.

[lou]

Bumgarner has a 5-team No-Trade List. I'd bet good money we're one of the 5.

I'd take that bet. Marlins are an ascending team (it's true despite the season) with the staff and Jazz, and add in a good home ballpark/weather/taxes.

Colorado, Cincinatti, and Oakland are likely locks as they are two atrocious home locations on bad teams and Oakland is a disaster across the board. He's not going back to the bay area to play for Oakland. Miami seems like a better situation to me for the next 2 years than Kansas City, Detroit, Pittsburgh, and Washington at a minimum.

I'd be surprised. That's all I'm saying. I do think Arizona is a huge match here with the excess CF and Bumgarner/Soler disappointing contract swap.

[lou]

There seems to be 4 finalists for manager:

-Matt Quatraro
-Joe Espada
-Skip Schumaker
-Luis Rojas

Espada, Quatraro, Schumaker Finalists For Marlins Manager - MLB Trade Rumors



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The Marlins have also apparently interviewed Oz Ocampo for an assistant GM position. He's involved in international scouting right now.

Marlins Interview Astros' Oz Ocampo For Assistant GM - MLB Trade Rumors

Whoever will pitch a lefty reliever against Daulton Varsho bottom of the 9th versus a right hander like my Don is my choice. The bar is low.

[sports24/7]

There seems to be 4 finalists for manager:

-Matt Quatraro
-Joe Espada
-Skip Schumaker
-Luis Rojas

Espada, Quatraro, Schumaker Finalists For Marlins Manager - MLB Trade Rumors



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The Marlins have also apparently interviewed Oz Ocampo for an assistant GM position. He's involved in international scouting right now.

Marlins Interview Astros' Oz Ocampo For Assistant GM - MLB Trade Rumors

It's so hard to have any idea how good these guys will be, but based on the limited information we have, Espada and Schumaker would be my top 2 choices. The most exciting prospect there, though, might be Ocampo for assistant GM. You wonder how much pull he'd have but that's a front office you'd like to poach.

[rmc523]

Apparently Skip Schumaker is going to be the Marlins manager.

[sports24/7]

Jazz and Sandy tweeted approval of the Schumaker move. Who knows how he'll do, but I like that they went with a young guy who's a former player. He comes from a successful organization, and was impressive in the interviews I watched. Hopefully he's forward thinking, and not stuck in the BS old world thinking we saw way too much from Mattingly.

Mish also said that he's optimistic that Ocampo will be hired as the new Assistant GM.

[lou]

Jazz and Sandy tweeted approval of the Schumaker move. Who knows how he'll do, but I like that they went with a young guy who's a former player. He comes from a successful organization, and was impressive in the interviews I watched. Hopefully he's forward thinking, and not stuck in the BS old world thinking we saw way too much from Mattingly.

Mish also said that he's optimistic that Ocampo will be hired as the new Assistant GM.

Do we play the money card and say first time/younger manager is cheaper than Espada/Quatraro who have been around a bit and had some success? Those guys may demand an extra few million on a multi-year deal and get an extra guaranteed year? Or is Schumaker really the guy?

This one is not an attack, just a genuine question as I figured it would be one of the first two.

Ultimately, pitch lefty relievers against lefty hitters and this is an improvement. The bar is low.

[Namaste]

Our new manager has a great baseball name at the very least

[sports24/7]

Do we play the money card and say first time/younger manager is cheaper than Espada/Quatraro who have been around a bit and had some success? Those guys may demand an extra few million on a multi-year deal and get an extra guaranteed year? Or is Schumaker really the guy?

This one is not an attack, just a genuine question as I figured it would be one of the first two.

Ultimately, pitch lefty relievers against lefty hitters and this is an improvement. The bar is low.

I'm as critical of the Marlins penny pinching as anyone, but I'd be surprised if that had any impact here. I doubt the cost would have been much different between the candidates. Schumaker was pretty highly regarded despite his age. Maybe Espada would have cost more if he used Chicago as leverage, but managerial jobs aren't guaranteed to come, so I can't imagine Quatraro would have been overly aggressive with his asking price. Mish suggested Schumaker was the guy Ng wanted.

I liked that they cast a wide net, and took their time with this. They acted like a real ball club in this case. Who knows if it will work out (odds are probably against it), but I think you can respect the process here.

[Nick]

I'm giving zero credit and zero criticism for hiring a manager. It's the least of our concerns.