2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[Nick]

Marlins Offseason to-do list
✅bring in hot young manager
✅re-sign Mel Stottlemyre
⬜️make insulting lowball extension offer to Pablo Lopez
⬜️publicly say we need to see more from Jazz before making an extension offer
⬜️get Michael A. Taylor as our big bat acquisition

This guy Marlins offseasons.

[lou]

Marlins Offseason to-do list
✅bring in hot young manager
✅re-sign Mel Stottlemyre
⬜️make insulting lowball extension offer to Pablo Lopez
⬜️publicly say we need to see more from Jazz before making an extension offer
⬜️get Michael A. Taylor as our big bat acquisition

make insulting lowball extension offer to Pablo Lopez <--- Would like more info even if a joke. What is the idea, they try to low ball him THEN trade him? That is the right thing to do (also assuming they bring in 250+ other innings)?

publicly say we need to see more from Jazz before making an extension offer < --- This is definitely right given bat volatility and not having a Javy Baez deadweight on the books in 6 years. I would reasonably low ball him too and see if you get an Albies deal. Plus the top bats are Salas/Cappe/Lewis/Watson after Berry. They got plenty of time here to deal with Jazz. He is 4 years from free agency.

Just mentioning for extension purposes, I think fish16 is right and it's pure team opportunistic deals and that starts with Luzardo around $30-35m and see if he bites. I'd try and lowball Jazz and Cabrera also, but I don't see deals there this offseason absent an insane Albies scenario.

And

get Michael A. Taylor as our big bat acquisition < -- God help us. Although would be a fine # 2 bat acquisition if Correa is the first one. Dreams.

[lou]

Apparently Mel has been retained on a multi-year deal, and is reportedly one of the highest paid pitching coaches now.

Fantastic

[emkayseven]

make insulting lowball extension offer to Pablo Lopez <--- Would like more info even if a joke. What is the idea, they try to low ball him THEN trade him? That is the right thing to do (also assuming they bring in 250+ other innings)?

publicly say we need to see more from Jazz before making an extension offer < --- This is definitely right given bat volatility and not having a Javy Baez deadweight on the books in 6 years. I would reasonably low ball him too and see if you get an Albies deal. Plus the top bats are Salas/Cappe/Lewis/Watson after Berry. They got plenty of time here to deal with Jazz. He is 4 years from free agency.

Just mentioning for extension purposes, I think fish16 is right and it's pure team opportunistic deals and that starts with Luzardo around $30-35m and see if he bites. I'd try and lowball Jazz and Cabrera also, but I don't see deals there this offseason absent an insane Albies scenario.

And

get Michael A. Taylor as our big bat acquisition < -- God help us. Although would be a fine # 2 bat acquisition if Correa is the first one. Dreams.

Whole thing is a joke. Just what I’m expecting from this offseason. “Modest” increase from $80 million is a fucking joke. Highest paid pitching coach makes what, a million bucks? They’re gonna do shit again and then say they tried. Hope I’m wrong.

[rmc523]

make insulting lowball extension offer to Pablo Lopez <--- Would like more info even if a joke. What is the idea, they try to low ball him THEN trade him? That is the right thing to do (also assuming they bring in 250+ other innings)?

publicly say we need to see more from Jazz before making an extension offer < --- This is definitely right given bat volatility and not having a Javy Baez deadweight on the books in 6 years. I would reasonably low ball him too and see if you get an Albies deal. Plus the top bats are Salas/Cappe/Lewis/Watson after Berry. They got plenty of time here to deal with Jazz. He is 4 years from free agency.

Just mentioning for extension purposes, I think fish16 is right and it's pure team opportunistic deals and that starts with Luzardo around $30-35m and see if he bites. I'd try and lowball Jazz and Cabrera also, but I don't see deals there this offseason absent an insane Albies scenario.

And

get Michael A. Taylor as our big bat acquisition < -- God help us. Although would be a fine # 2 bat acquisition if Correa is the first one. Dreams.

Your sarcasm detector is broken.

Though I also wouldn't be entirely surprised if some or all of those ended up being right.

[sports24/7]

Marlins Offseason to-do list
✅bring in hot young manager
✅re-sign Mel Stottlemyre
⬜️make insulting lowball extension offer to Pablo Lopez
⬜️publicly say we need to see more from Jazz before making an extension offer
⬜️get Michael A. Taylor as our big bat acquisition

It's so depressing that this is far more likely than signing a modest bat and RP help, and trading for a good bat.

[sports24/7]

The White Sox hired Grifol as their manager. There were rumors a couple of days ago that Espada was no longer in consideration there, and this obviously confirms that. Interesting that he was perceived as the hottest name, and didn't get a job. Listening to something Mish said about the Marlins feeling like the other two finalists would eventually be managers, but leaving Espada's name out, may even suggest he was last among their final 4.

[rmc523]

The White Sox hired Grifol as their manager. There were rumors a couple of days ago that Espada was no longer in consideration there, and this obviously confirms that. Interesting that he was perceived as the hottest name, and didn't get a job. Listening to something Mish said about the Marlins feeling like the other two finalists would eventually be managers, but leaving Espada's name out, may even suggest he was last among their final 4.

He must just interview incredibly poorly, or perhaps he's hoping to latch on to the job in Houston when Dusty retires?

[sports24/7]

He must just interview incredibly poorly, or perhaps he's hoping to latch on to the job in Houston when Dusty retires?

Yeah, who knows. He must have done something right to get a second interview, but I feel like public perception doesn't always match reality. The talk about him being such a hot candidate could have been his people putting it out there in the media.

[Namaste]

Marlins Offseason to-do list
✅bring in hot young manager
✅re-sign Mel Stottlemyre
⬜️make insulting lowball extension offer to Pablo Lopez
⬜️publicly say we need to see more from Jazz before making an extension offer
⬜️get Michael A. Taylor as our big bat acquisition

This was so funny I sent it to 3 of my friends. Hahahaha

[Lee Stone]

Seems that the entire baseball world deems Alcantara as untouchable in the trade market - this in spite of the fact that the Marlins need help all over the field and project to have plenty of starting pitching assets. Personally, I'd look at the possibility of a Busch, Cartaya, Pages, Vargas package from the Dodgers to turn things around in Miami.

[lou]

Seems that the entire baseball world deems Alcantara as untouchable in the trade market - this in spite of the fact that the Marlins need help all over the field and project to have plenty of starting pitching assets. Personally, I'd look at the possibility of a Busch, Cartaya, Pages, Vargas package from the Dodgers to turn things around in Miami.

Shouldn't that tell you something? Also, the Marlins *might* have enough starting pitching assets come 2024 to trade guys without bringing in a stopgap. Certainly not today. So that's not right.

The Marlins need a lot of help but they don't need to trade Sandy and circle 2025. He is a cornerstone player a team like the Marlins must develop and they are so lucky to have him. They frankly, need two big bat upgrades (or a big one and two medium ones, or an epic one (Correa) and two OK ones) and a good right handed reliever. Payroll is going to be $65-75m with at least 1 big trade available to them on top of whatever payroll is. You don't need to blow out Sandy here to get the call it 4 guys they need. Sandy is part of the solution.

By the way, your Baseball Trade Values site thinks this is fair:

Pablo, Eury, I. Lewis
Fernando Tatis

If we want to live outside reality and just trade the best players in baseball, how about let's start here? Sign me up. Then do the Soler/Garrett for McCarthy/Bumgarner salary dumps and the team is under $80m bucks in 2023 needing a starting 1B (Cooper to DH) and multiple right hander relievers which you imagine are club controlled. While they wait for Eder/Fulton/Sixto and Meyer/Bender/Poteet. I am mentioning this as this is less insane with less moving parts then trading Sandy.

[Namaste]

Seems that the entire baseball world deems Alcantara as untouchable in the trade market - this in spite of the fact that the Marlins need help all over the field and project to have plenty of starting pitching assets. Personally, I'd look at the possibility of a Busch, Cartaya, Pages, Vargas package from the Dodgers to turn things around in Miami.

At some point you need to hold on to a star (who they wisely extended last year in the off season).

I have a better idea, Lee. Instead of trading the guy with the 3rd highest WAR in MLB this year for more prospects, how about Bruce acts like a big boy owner and spends money to fill the teams glaring needs?

[sports24/7]

You don't trade a 27 year old Cy Young winner with no injury history. You especially don't do it for a package of unproven players. The Marlins have more than enough ammunition to make moves for bats without giving up their best player.

[Lee Stone]

You don't trade a 27 year old Cy Young winner with no injury history. You especially don't do it for a package of unproven players. The Marlins have more than enough ammunition to make moves for bats without giving up their best player.

I think you have to consider that Alcantara has more trade value than Rogers, Lopez, Luzardo, Cabrera and Richards combined. The holes that need filling are every position player on the roster other than Jazz.