July 2019 Game Thread

[fish16]

Before anyone says they wont get anything for Conley-VERY TRUE but a AA LHR OR DSL player and IFA $ is all Miami really wants for him at this point. Actually surprised that LAD or Milwaukee hasn't tried to buy low on him yet

fucking ridiculous that they choose not to deal him last year at the peak of his value and will be lucky to get anything above rookie ball for him a year later.

[tjfla]

I don't think any of that is an issue. The crunch is in 2021. And that's only if mostly everyone develops and they don't make some trades next deadline to consolidate talent.

They are in really good shape.

Ya just saying those 4 guys have to be on the roster. No real crunch next year(tons of arms have to be on 40 man)

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fucking ridiculous that they choose not to deal him last year at the peak of his value and will be lucky to get anything above rookie ball for him a year later.

Well if he looked like he did the 1st half of LY they probably could. He looks like total crap now-I just hope they dont DFA him and get something for him

Knowing us we will put him on IL and keep him around for next year(even tho Chen/Jarlin/Quijada will be in the pen)

[lou]

2nd. I would talk to Ozuna and Castellanos see what they want-Castellanos might cost more but likely wouldnt come with draft pick comp. Said before but I would look at what Detroit would want for him at the deadline-Cody Poteet and Raul Campos(I would offer and see if they would take it)

I don't think you 'Tommy Pham' trade for one of them when they are pending free agents. If they give you a 48 hour window to negotiate a longterm contract, sure.

You're probably going to lose someone like Holloway (minimum) as a centerpiece too, but that's OK assuming you don't give up your third pick next year so you're still ahead.

[tjfla]

I don't think you 'Tommy Pham' trade for one of them when they are pending free agents. If they give you a 48 hour window to negotiate a longterm contract, sure.

You're probably going to lose someone like Holloway (minimum) as a centerpiece too, but that's OK assuming you don't give up your third pick next year so you're still ahead.

Well thats why say Poteet(has to be on 40 man NY maybe Det gives him a look) and Campos(whose brother was Det big money IFA signing) I would call Detroit make some lowball offer and see. Long as Castellanos is traded to someone we wont have to give up pick

[lou]

Well if he looked like he did the 1st half of LY they probably could. He looks like total crap now-I just hope they dont DFA him and get something for him

Knowing us we will put him on IL and keep him around for next year(even tho Chen/Jarlin/Quijada will be in the pen)

That's not a bad plan.

Well Chen is, he should be DFA'd immediately. But I am fine with Garcia, Conley, and Quijada as the pen lefties to open next year. Although I REALLY hope Castro, Walker, and Romo turn into more lefties to challenge Quijada and Conley.

Conley isn't this bad. Something is wrong. He's going to make a minimum raise next year based on his stats so it's worth a gamble to see if he figures it out.

At minimum, they should "Straily" him. Give him the arbitration tender, cut him in late March if he sucks, and it was gambling with $300k to see if he figures it out over the offseason.

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Well thats why say Poteet(has to be on 40 man NY maybe Det gives him a look) and Campos(whose brother was Det big money IFA signing) I would call Detroit make some lowball offer and see. Long as Castellanos is traded to someone we wont have to give up pick

Detroit will get more than that from a contender. He is an impact stretch bat. Someone like Cleveland needs him and the Marlins have to beat that offer.

I'm fine with that, but they just need to secure a negotiation window (which I know is tough with Boras) to see if they'll sign a market deal ala Pollock/McCutchen comps.

[tjfla]

That's not a bad plan.

Well Chen is, he should be DFA'd immediately. But I am fine with Garcia, Conley, and Quijada as the pen lefties to open next year. Although I REALLY hope Castro, Walker, and Romo turn into more lefties to challenge Quijada and Conley.

Conley isn't this bad. Something is wrong. He's going to make a minimum raise next year based on his stats so it's worth a gamble to see if he figures it out.

At minimum, they should "Straily" him. Give him the arbitration tender, cut him in late March if he sucks, and it was gambling with $300k to see if he figures it out over the offseason.

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Detroit will get more than that from a contender. He is an impact stretch bat. Someone like Cleveland needs him and the Marlins have to beat that offer.

I'm fine with that, but they just need to secure a negotiation window (which I know is tough with Boras) to see if they'll sign a market deal ala Pollock/McCutchen comps.

Well long as they trade him somewhere I am cool. Traded gets get NO draft pick comp-I am saying if it 3:55 on July 31 and he still in Detroit then make some lowball offer for him. We aren't getting window with Boras it just gives us a little more power is all during FA

[Lee Stone]

Diaz and Dean at AAA 2019

In 371 PA, Diaz looks like this: .306 BA, 22 HR, 61 RBI, .980 OPS and 186 TB.
Prorate Dean's 205 PA to 371 and: .350 BA, 24 HR, 83 RBI, 1.085 OPS and 220 TB.

I'd really like to see those two plus Eddy Alvarez in the Marlin lineup the rest of the way.

[Nick]

Diaz and Dean at AAA 2019

In 371 PA, Diaz looks like this: .306 BA, 22 HR, 61 RBI, .980 OPS and 186 TB.
Prorate Dean's 205 PA to 371 and: .350 BA, 24 HR, 83 RBI, 1.085 OPS and 220 TB.

what point are you trying to make here?

[Lee Stone]

what point are you trying to make here?

None whatsoever. Just conveying information that a Marlin fan would find interesting.

[Nick]

Diaz and Dean at AAA 2019
I'd really like to see those two plus Eddy Alvarez in the Marlin lineup the rest of the way.

Who are you going to play Eddy Alvarez over? He basically plays 3rd, 2nd and 1st. Anderson, Diaz and Cooper, you're not going to play him over them.

Also, Starlin Castro has a 1.060 OPS in July. You have to at least give him the month and try to get something for him at the deadline, either way Diaz will be the every day 2nd Baseman on August 1st.

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None whatsoever. Just conveying information that a Marlin fan would find interesting.

Why pro-rate the numbers, though, unless you're somehow comparing Dean and Diaz? Dean's regular numbers are impressive on their own.

[Lee Stone]

Pro-rated numbers merely underline the fact that both deserve playing time. Alvarez, listed as a SS also, could audition in Rivera's stead and potentially take Rojas spot if he is traded.

[Nick]

Pro-rated numbers merely underline the fact that both deserve playing time. Alvarez, listed as a SS also, could audition in Rivera's stead.

I could see Alvarez getting a look maybe once Neil Walker is traded, but it won't be every day ABs. He could be up over Riddle/Rivera already. I'd like to see Alvarez do it for a little longer before I'd give up a 40-man roster spot. (although if it's Rivera, who cares) I'd just say that Jon Berti had similar ridiculous numbers at AAA before his call up, and was actually decent in his short-run with the big club, is Alvarez more deserving than him?

[fish16]

eddy alvarez seems like a fascinating and weird player. First, didnt know he used to be a speed skater. Second, in 2015 he had 53 SB's, but in every other minor league season he hasnt had more than 11, and he's been horribly inefficient at stealing bases in every other year. I wonder if thats related to training he was doing for speed skating in the 2014 olympics .

[Lee Stone]

I liked Berti very much as a smart, hustling player. Alvarez seems similar. Alvarez, Diaz, and Dean batting 2, 3 and 4 for the Cupcakes, are getting it done. Put Berti on top of that batting order and slip Harrison into the five spot, and New Orleans could win the PCL championship.

[fish16]

I liked Berti very much as a smart, hustling player. Alvarez seems similar. Alvarez, Diaz, and Dean batting 2, 3 and 4 for the Cupcakes, are getting it done. Put Berti on top of that batting order and slip Harrison into the five spot, and New Orleans could win the PCL championship.

ah yes, because everyone knows that winning minor league titles are much more important than the development of the young prospects with an actual chance to be part of this organization long term.

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Berti also isnt good. Not sure why he gets love. The guy had 17 games and 50 ab's at Nola and all of a sudden lee stone wants to put him at the top of the order despite the fact that he's a career. .704 career minor league OPS in 3000 ab's.