July 2019 Game Thread

[tjfla]

They should have traded two of those relievers for Will Smith if that was on the table. No questions asked. That was dumb if they did in fact turn that down.

Anderson is controlled for 5.5 years. I am ripping my hair out of seeing stupid bullshit of over playing hands with guys with 5 years of control. Anderson looks awesome and they NEED AWESOME PLAYERS. Reliever volatility blah blah blah. That's why you keep all of them unless it's costing you major arbitration money or all of them are OOO. None of that exist for the present day Marlins.

How stupid is Minnesota right now for moving Pressly and N. Anderson? Don't be Minnesota.

Yep deal was reportedly Steck and Conley for 1 prospect(Heard was Will Smith) then Marlins started asking for more stuff and deal broke down. Everyone thought Steck was going there but never happened

[fish16]

Yep deal was reportedly Steck and Conley for 1 prospect(Heard was Will Smith) then Marlins started asking for more stuff and deal broke down. Everyone thought Steck was going there but never happened

that is the height of stupidity.

[tjfla]

If you can get a good prospect for Anderson right now you do it in a heartbeat. Again, relievers arent that valuable on a non contending team with a surplus of pitching coming in the next few years. Anderson is 29. He's a good enough reliever but again, relievers arent that valuable and you trade them 100 times out of 100 if you can get a good hitting or SP prospect back. Also, anderson isnt this shut down reliever. He had a good april and has been pretty mediocre since then. Im fine with keeping him because he is actually a guy you arent going to get much for.

NOT getting that for Anderson. Marlins want 1 Top 10 prospect for him while offers are Phelps like right now. Brice to Oakland is the hot one right now

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that is the height of stupidity.

New Miami FO and LAD don't get along which is another reason. LAD tried to get Stanton to come for NOTHING in return then tried to recruit Yelich and offered crap in return too. Whenever LAD calls to ask on guys we always ask some crazy price

[fish16]

NOT getting that for Anderson. Marlins want 1 Top 10 prospect for him while offers are Phelps like right now. Brice to Oakland is the hot one right now

brice can go as far as im concerned. Ive seen him pitch enough to know he's an average mlb reliever. To me, Anderson doesnt have enough value around the league in all likelihood for it to be some mistake for them not to trade him. Conley and steckenrider and barraclough were unacceptable.

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NOT getting that for Anderson. Marlins want 1 Top 10 prospect for him while offers are Phelps like right now. Brice to Oakland is the hot one right now

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New Miami FO and LAD don't get along which is another reason. LAD tried to get Stanton to come for NOTHING in return then tried to recruit Yelich and offered crap in return too

Ya i remember mish saying that those 2 front offices dont get along. Wonder if it has anything to do with friedman's days back in TB or if that's from something related to his time in LA.

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I hope they try to just pay the rest of castro's salary in order to get the most value out of him. Can't wait to see his ass out of here.

[tjfla]

brice can go as far as im concerned. Ive seen him pitch enough to know he's an average mlb reliever. To me, Anderson doesnt have enough value around the league in all likelihood for it to be some mistake for them not to trade him. Conley and steckenrider and barraclough were unacceptable.

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Ya i remember mish saying that those 2 front offices dont get along. Wonder if it has anything to do with friedman's days back in TB or if that's from something related to his time in LA.

Dont think its Friedman specifically just LAD used to take advantage of Jeff ALOT and guess they thought they could do same with these guys. They "tampered" with Stanton and Yelich and pissed Denbo off

They will. Gonna be Castro and REAL $(how much no clue-def will cover buyout) for IFA and or low level prospects

[lou]

If you can get a good prospect for Anderson right now you do it in a heartbeat. Again, relievers arent that valuable on a non contending team with a surplus of pitching coming in the next few years. Anderson is 29. He's a good enough reliever but again, relievers arent that valuable and you trade them 100 times out of 100 if you can get a good hitting or SP prospect back. Also, anderson isnt this shut down reliever. He had a good april and has been pretty mediocre since then. Im fine with keeping him because he is actually a guy you arent going to get much for.

Let's trade Brian Anderson too. Why stop there? Let's just keep trading for prospects when payroll is $31 million next year and $16 of that is Chen dead money.

Anderson's FIP is borderline elite. 26th in baseball among RP with over 20 innings thrown. This is ahead of Buttrey and Pagan. I mean, of course SSS issues with RP, but the Marlins need to keep players like that. Interesting side note, Garcia is 29th.

They need to keep their good players. This seems to be a foreign concept. It's not like they have a full bullpen right now and it's arrogant to think they are going to hit on all of Guzman, Holloway, Elisier, Cabrera, etc. in the pipes. There is -0- reason to trade these guys unless overwhelmed and opportunistic.

You need to stop thinking like the Marlins need more minor league talent. They don't. They need to keep everyone for depth and BUY $40-50 million in free agency.

[fish16]

Let's trade Brian Anderson too. Why stop there? Let's just keep trading for prospects when payroll is $31 million next year and $16 of that is Chen dead money.

Anderson's FIP is borderline elite. 26th in baseball among RP with over 20 innings thrown. This is ahead of Buttrey and Pagan. I mean, of course SSS issues with RP, but the Marlins need to keep players like that. Interesting side note, Garcia is 29th.

They need to keep their good players. This seems to be a foreign concept. It's not like they have a full bullpen right now and it's arrogant to think they are going to hit on all of Guzman, Holloway, Elisier, Cabrera, etc. in the pipes. There is -0- reason to trade these guys unless overwhelmed and opportunistic.

You need to stop thinking like the Marlins need more minor league talent. They don't. They need to keep everyone for depth and BUY $40-50 million in free agency.

Yes, because there is clearly no difference between a 29 year old good reliever and a 26 year old good 3b. His FIP is 3.16. That's good but that's nothing untouchable for a 29 year old reliever which is, again, the most volatile position in the sport.

It's not about whether the marlins need more minor league talent, its about properly valuing all your assets and what they bring to your team vs what their trade value indicates a trade might bring to your team. You dont seem to understand that relievers are just about the easiest thing to find in the sport as well as the most volatile.

Also, i clearly said i wouldnt trade anderson because he doesnt really have that much value. He's been decent at best and pretty bad at worst since april. Since April 30th, he has a 5.54 ERA, a 4.18 xFIP, and a 1.54 WHIP. He is a decent reliever, he isnt anything special.

[lou]

Yes, because there is clearly no difference between a 29 year old good reliever and a 26 year old good 3b. His FIP is 3.16. That's good but that's nothing untouchable for a 29 year old reliever which is, again, the most volatile position in the sport.

It's not about whether the marlins need more minor league talent, its about properly valuing all your assets and what they bring to your team vs what their trade value indicates a trade might bring to your team. You dont seem to understand that relievers are just about the easiest thing to find in the sport as well as the most volatile.

Also, i clearly said i wouldnt trade anderson because he doesnt really have that much value. He's been decent at best and pretty bad at worst since april. Since April 30th, he has a 5.54 ERA, a 4.18 xFIP, and a 1.54 WHIP. He is a decent reliever, he isnt anything special.

Oh yea, relievers are easy to find. That's why every team in baseball is always looking for them.

I can't deal with this stupid anymore today.

[fish16]

Easy to find is not the same as the easiest thing to find, which is what I actually said

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They are also the easiest thing to find for cheap on the offseason

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Kind of like the exact way we got anderson

[rmc523]

in other words, they had a very valuable reliever to both small and big market teams at the height of his value with 3 years of team control left on a team with a surplus of potential relievers when we actually want to compete and no intention of competing this year. It really isnt that complicated, you trade relievers at the height of their value when they arent guys like Kimbrel. You dont hold on to them at the most volatile position in the sport on a team that doesnt have any intention of competing. Its pretty basic value evaluation.

They were burned by Miller and Hand turning into elite relievers once they left here, so they were hoping Conley would turn into the same thing, and clearly he hasn't.

[Lee Stone]

Given an opportunity to get comfortable in the Miami pen, I believe Jeff Brigham could do a great job for Miami. Great stuff ... just suffered from nerves at the top level thus far.

[fish16]

Given an opportunity to get comfortable in the Miami pen, I believe Jeff Brigham could do a great job for Miami. Great stuff ... just suffered from nerves at the top level thus far.

is it possible he's just not that good and is a AAAA pitcher who can get away with sub par control against minor league talent but cant against major league talent?

[tjfla]

Well dont worry about Brice getting dealt

Brice to IL

[geemoney]

Well dont worry about Brice getting dealt

Brice to IL

Tayron Guerrero activated to take his place.

[fish16]

wallach apparently had a set back with some sort of eye issue related to his concussion. Hope he gets better, he seems like a good guy and concussions as a catcher are serious shit. He's been out about 2 months now so this is pretty serious. How was he injured because i have no recollection of him taking any crazy hit?