Season Super Game Thread

[fish16]

Urena's surface numbers like ERA seem like he's regressed this year but he has actually been much better this year than he was last year. Dropped his BB/9 by 1 and increased his K/9 by 1 too plus a slightly increased ground ball rate.

He'll never be a top of the rotation guy but i hope they keep him next year considering we have 3 years of team control left and he is fairly consistent and someone who belongs in the middle of an MLB rotation. If Chen has to stay and we are deciding on keeping Straily or Urena for next year, you deal straily every time and just try to deal him for an MLB bat that we can plug into the lineup next year at 1b or a corner outfield spot.

Or keep straily and move Chen to the bullpen and go with Urena, Alcantara, Lopez, Smith, and Straily and Richards I think if he becomes the #6 guy would be a very quality reliever because of that ridiculous changeup. Either way we have a pretty deep cost controlled rotation.

[fauowls44]

Degrom is absolutely filthy. Cy Young for sure.

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But Lewis Brinson is filthier. Aside from his numbers since coming back, his approach has been so much fucking better than the beginning of the year.

I agree that Brinson's been much improved. His double on a 2-strike, high fastball from DeGrom was impressive, but even some of his outs were hard hit balls. For much of the season, he wouldn't have been making contact with 2 strikes on him...it's encouraging because the talent and ability are obviously there. Hopefully he finishes the year strong.

[lou]

This is probably a lou question, but any idea what we are looking at already in payroll for next year with chen and prado obviously still being here.

Chen - $16
Prado - $15
Castro - $12.8 (includes buyout)
Realmuto - $6.5 (arb 2, guesstimate)
Straily - $4.5 (arb 2, guesstimate)
Dietrich - $4 (arb 3, was a super 2, guesstimate)
Urena - $3.5 (arb 1, guesstimate)
Barraclough - $2.5 (arb 1, guesstimate)
Conley - $2.5 (arb 1, guesstimate)
Rojas - $2 (arb 2, guesstimate)
Likely club controlled everyone else $10 million
=$80 millionish

Cut - Guerra, Holaday (both in arbitration)

The keep everyone team for $80 millionish is this:

C - Realmuto, Wallach
1B - Dietrich
2B - Castro
SS - Rojas, Riddle
3B - Anderson, Prado
LF - Dean
CF - Brinson, Ortega
RF - Cooper

SP - Urena, Straily, Chen, Ca. Smith, Alcantara, Richards, Pablo
RP - Barraclough, Steckenrider, Guerrero, Wittgren
LP - Conley, Garcia


I think there are two courses of action to just jump in:

1 - Ditch literally everyone who makes money except Realmuto, sign Machado somehow and tell him 2019 is going to suck but 2020 will be better. Machado, Realmuto, and 23 club controlled players, plus whatever you ate on Prado and Chen.

2 - The realistic path, they have a ton of pitching worthy of spots so move one of Straily/Urena, and both Barraclough and Conley, free up $8-10 million, sign two corner outfielders on 1-2 year deals, DFA Prado and send Dean back to AAA to start 2019. He's not ready.

That gives them a fighting chance as there is optimism in youth with Brinson, Alcantara, Richards, Smith, Pablo, Diaz coming, etc.

[tjfla]

Chen - $16
Prado - $15
Castro - $12.8 (includes buyout)
Realmuto - $6.5 (arb 2, guesstimate)
Straily - $4.5 (arb 2, guesstimate)
Dietrich - $4 (arb 3, was a super 2, guesstimate)
Urena - $3.5 (arb 1, guesstimate)
Barraclough - $2.5 (arb 1, guesstimate)
Conley - $2.5 (arb 1, guesstimate)
Rojas - $2 (arb 2, guesstimate)
Likely club controlled everyone else $10 million
=$80 millionish

Cut - Guerra, Holaday (both in arbitration)

The keep everyone team for $80 millionish is this:

C - Realmuto, Wallach
1B - Dietrich
2B - Castro
SS - Rojas, Riddle
3B - Anderson, Prado
LF - Dean
CF - Brinson, Ortega
RF - Cooper

SP - Urena, Straily, Chen, Ca. Smith, Alcantara, Richards, Pablo
RP - Barraclough, Steckenrider, Guerrero, Wittgren
LP - Conley, Garcia


I think there are two courses of action to just jump in:

1 - Ditch literally everyone who makes money except Realmuto, sign Machado somehow and tell him 2019 is going to suck but 2020 will be better. Machado, Realmuto, and 23 club controlled players, plus whatever you ate on Prado and Chen.

2 - The realistic path, they have a ton of pitching worthy of spots so move one of Straily/Urena, and both Barraclough and Conley, free up $8-10 million, sign two corner outfielders on 1-2 year deals, DFA Prado and send Dean back to AAA to start 2019. He's not ready.

That gives them a fighting chance as there is optimism in youth with Brinson, Alcantara, Richards, Smith, Pablo, Diaz coming, etc.

This was the Jorge Mas plan but more likely is gonna be #2. Trade few arms for prospects(Straily/RP) then try to resign JT(Likely will trade him for more prospects and ML ready guys) and then sign a LoMo and another vet plus a Grandal type to C

Teams for JT are

Washington (IF its Robles AND Kieboom Brothers)
Houston
Arizona
Colorado
Oakland
NYY

[Lee Stone]

Root for an ice-cold September from Robles (such as he's having thus far) and maybe your WASH trade can happen. Other than that, COL seems like a good Realmuto landing spot.

[Namaste]

If only we had a mediocre left-handed power-hitting 1st baseman for next season...

I LOL’d

[fish16]

Chen - $16
Prado - $15
Castro - $12.8 (includes buyout)
Realmuto - $6.5 (arb 2, guesstimate)
Straily - $4.5 (arb 2, guesstimate)
Dietrich - $4 (arb 3, was a super 2, guesstimate)
Urena - $3.5 (arb 1, guesstimate)
Barraclough - $2.5 (arb 1, guesstimate)
Conley - $2.5 (arb 1, guesstimate)
Rojas - $2 (arb 2, guesstimate)
Likely club controlled everyone else $10 million
=$80 millionish

Cut - Guerra, Holaday (both in arbitration)

The keep everyone team for $80 millionish is this:

C - Realmuto, Wallach
1B - Dietrich
2B - Castro
SS - Rojas, Riddle
3B - Anderson, Prado
LF - Dean
CF - Brinson, Ortega
RF - Cooper

SP - Urena, Straily, Chen, Ca. Smith, Alcantara, Richards, Pablo
RP - Barraclough, Steckenrider, Guerrero, Wittgren
LP - Conley, Garcia


I think there are two courses of action to just jump in:

1 - Ditch literally everyone who makes money except Realmuto, sign Machado somehow and tell him 2019 is going to suck but 2020 will be better. Machado, Realmuto, and 23 club controlled players, plus whatever you ate on Prado and Chen.

2 - The realistic path, they have a ton of pitching worthy of spots so move one of Straily/Urena, and both Barraclough and Conley, free up $8-10 million, sign two corner outfielders on 1-2 year deals, DFA Prado and send Dean back to AAA to start 2019. He's not ready.

That gives them a fighting chance as there is optimism in youth with Brinson, Alcantara, Richards, Smith, Pablo, Diaz coming, etc.

Those Chen and Prado contracts are ridiculous and have 0 hope of getting out of. Id deal Straily for a 1b/corner OF bat and deal Dietrich in the offseason and then Castro at the deadline too so his contract wouldnt technically be that expensive if he's only here for half a year or so.

[rmc523]

Those Chen and Prado contracts are ridiculous and have 0 hope of getting out of. Id deal Straily for a 1b/corner OF bat and deal Dietrich in the offseason and then Castro at the deadline too so his contract wouldnt technically be that expensive if he's only here for half a year or so.

What sucks more about the Prado one is that they hadn't signed it when Jose died, and knew that plans would change and could've backed out, but had already "agreed" to the parameters of the deal so they decided to finish the deal anyway.

I think you could get someone to take part of Chen's deal if he keeps pitching ok, but we'd still have to pay most of it.

[lou]

Those Chen and Prado contracts are ridiculous and have 0 hope of getting out of. Id deal Straily for a 1b/corner OF bat and deal Dietrich in the offseason and then Castro at the deadline too so his contract wouldnt technically be that expensive if he's only here for half a year or so.

They should keep Dietrich, he can hit a bit, they can move him around, and is cheap. He could be a deadline asset for sure.

I'm probably doing this (assuming they don't go nuts and sign Machado and "burn it all down" is not an option as that is not a "build" scenario):

C - Realmuto, "1 year legitimate backup"
1B - Dietrich, Cooper
2B - Castro
SS - Rojas, Riddle
3B - Anderson
LF - "1 year legitimate bat" (or move Dietrich here and get a 1B)
CF - Brinson, Ortega
RF - "1 year legitimate bat"

(DFA - Prado, Holaday)

SP - Urena, Alcantara, Ca. Smith, Richards, Pablo
RHP - Steckenrider, Guerrero, Wittgren, Brigham, Merandy/Meyer/Graves/Hernandez/Kinley/whoever
LHP - Chen, Garcia, Peters/Quijada

(Trade/DFA - Straily, Barraclough, Conley, Guerra)

That's an $80 million team, with a lot of upside in the rotation, Brinson, and Diaz and Neidert coming in July. I have to assume they can get two "Bour or better" type bats and a real backup catcher who isn't embarrassing for around $10 million combined.

No one is mistaking this for a playoff contender, but this isn't an embarrassment if the SP is what we hope.


2020 is where it gets really interesting. Let's say all of Castro (he does have a 2020 option so they could keep him), Straily, Urena, Dietrich, Rojas, Barraclough, Conley, Guerra, and Holaday are gone.

Chen - $17
Realmuto - Let's say $11 for his final arbitration or second year in a buyout
J. Garcia - $1.25 million (arb 1)
18 club controlled players - $11.5 million (approx) - Let's say this is basically Diaz, Riddle, Anderson, Brinson, "two out of Cooper/Dean/Sierra/Lee/Bostick/Ortega/Miller/other cheap or trade acquisitions makes it", Alcantara, Richards, Ca. Smith, Pablo, Niedert, Guzman, Steckenrider, "pick 5 other relievers"
=$42 million

That's nuts if "project wolverine" permits them to spend $100. They could keep Castro and Dietrich in their walk years, and still have $40+ million to spend on 2-4 players(!) which could turn things around fast.

[rmc523]

They should keep Dietrich, he can hit a bit, they can move him around, and is cheap. He could be a deadline asset for sure.

I'm probably doing this (assuming they don't go nuts and sign Machado and "burn it all down" is not an option as that is not a "build" scenario):

C - Realmuto, "1 year legitimate backup"
1B - Dietrich, Cooper
2B - Castro
SS - Rojas, Riddle
3B - Anderson
LF - "1 year legitimate bat" (or move Dietrich here and get a 1B)
CF - Brinson, Ortega
RF - "1 year legitimate bat"

(DFA - Prado, Holaday)

SP - Urena, Alcantara, Ca. Smith, Richards, Pablo
RHP - Steckenrider, Guerrero, Wittgren, Brigham, Merandy/Meyer/Graves/Hernandez/Kinley/whoever
LHP - Chen, Garcia, Peters/Quijada

(Trade/DFA - Straily, Barraclough, Conley, Guerra)

That's an $80 million team, with a lot of upside in the rotation, Brinson, and Diaz and Neidert coming in July. I have to assume they can get two "Bour or better" type bats and a real backup catcher who isn't embarrassing for around $10 million combined.

No one is mistaking this for a playoff contender, but this isn't an embarrassment if the SP is what we hope.


2020 is where it gets really interesting. Let's say all of Castro (he does have a 2020 option so they could keep him), Straily, Urena, Dietrich, Rojas, Barraclough, Conley, Guerra, and Holaday are gone.

Chen - $17
Realmuto - Let's say $11 for his final arbitration or second year in a buyout
J. Garcia - $1.25 million (arb 1)
18 club controlled players - $11.5 million (approx) - Let's say this is basically Diaz, Riddle, Anderson, Brinson, "two out of Cooper/Dean/Sierra/Lee/Bostick/Ortega/Miller/other cheap or trade acquisitions makes it", Alcantara, Richards, Ca. Smith, Pablo, Niedert, Guzman, Steckenrider, "pick 5 other relievers"
=$42 million

That's nuts if "project wolverine" permits them to spend $100. They could keep Castro and Dietrich in their walk years, and still have $40+ million to spend on 2-4 players(!) which could turn things around fast.

Hopefully that 100M isn't based on their (unrealistic?) projected attendance figures.

[fish16]

They should keep Dietrich, he can hit a bit, they can move him around, and is cheap. He could be a deadline asset for sure.

I'm probably doing this (assuming they don't go nuts and sign Machado and "burn it all down" is not an option as that is not a "build" scenario):

C - Realmuto, "1 year legitimate backup"
1B - Dietrich, Cooper
2B - Castro
SS - Rojas, Riddle
3B - Anderson
LF - "1 year legitimate bat" (or move Dietrich here and get a 1B)
CF - Brinson, Ortega
RF - "1 year legitimate bat"

(DFA - Prado, Holaday)

SP - Urena, Alcantara, Ca. Smith, Richards, Pablo
RHP - Steckenrider, Guerrero, Wittgren, Brigham, Merandy/Meyer/Graves/Hernandez/Kinley/whoever
LHP - Chen, Garcia, Peters/Quijada

(Trade/DFA - Straily, Barraclough, Conley, Guerra)

That's an $80 million team, with a lot of upside in the rotation, Brinson, and Diaz and Neidert coming in July. I have to assume they can get two "Bour or better" type bats and a real backup catcher who isn't embarrassing for around $10 million combined.

No one is mistaking this for a playoff contender, but this isn't an embarrassment if the SP is what we hope.


2020 is where it gets really interesting. Let's say all of Castro (he does have a 2020 option so they could keep him), Straily, Urena, Dietrich, Rojas, Barraclough, Conley, Guerra, and Holaday are gone.

Chen - $17
Realmuto - Let's say $11 for his final arbitration or second year in a buyout
J. Garcia - $1.25 million (arb 1)
18 club controlled players - $11.5 million (approx) - Let's say this is basically Diaz, Riddle, Anderson, Brinson, "two out of Cooper/Dean/Sierra/Lee/Bostick/Ortega/Miller/other cheap or trade acquisitions makes it", Alcantara, Richards, Ca. Smith, Pablo, Niedert, Guzman, Steckenrider, "pick 5 other relievers"
=$42 million

That's nuts if "project wolverine" permits them to spend $100. They could keep Castro and Dietrich in their walk years, and still have $40+ million to spend on 2-4 players(!) which could turn things around fast.

Ya thats why im a little more optimistic than most. The lineup is the biggest question going forward to me cause i think theyve done a really good job in finding at least 5 guys that can project as quality MLB starters and if there is no ace we will (in an ideal world) have money to spend on a potential ace. Also, if we can get Victor Victor that can also be a game changer. Realmuto is the biggest question mark going forward and is the #1 thing they have to address in the offseason.

[fish16]

I also think Richards could be a decent rotation guy moving forward but i think he might be a shut down reliever with that changeup.

[fish16]

Casual little 6 hour rain delay before game 1.

[Namaste]

Not sure why people think Brian Anderson has the glove to be a long term starting 3B.

He’s really good in RF.

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Sierra has a sub .350 OPS

[dim]

Over 100+ ABs. Quite impressive to be honest.