Season Super Game Thread

[Maddawg]

Say what you will, but the Yankees dudes built one hell of a farm system and they are basically running the show

You'll have to understand my lack of belief it will happen here, given the history of 6 winning seasons in 25. I'm totally cynical and jaded. I didn't come this way, the Marlins made me this way.

And judging from the attendance so far....averaging 6,600 for the Mets games, given we have the Pirates in town this weekend, I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans outdraw the Marlins on their next home stand.

You think Jeter has woken up to his ridiculous projections in Project Wolverine yet ? How will the abysmal attendance (and rightly so given the abysmal team on the field) affect Sherman/Jeter/other investors going forward next year ? Even their projections on FA/IFA money spent in the build up to 2020/21 ?

[lou]

Yep whole new development and minor league staff except Stan Meek. He is still around just demoted

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Think u mean Peterson?

Again Washington and NYM both need a C bad already. Robles and Soto are off table

Best offers are likely

Washington-Kieboom/Crowe/Garcia OR Antuna/Severino/Mid Level Prospect
NYM-Gimenez/Peterson/Peter Alonso/Nido/Chris Flexen OR Robert Gsellman

I could see us trading a RP(Ziegler or Taz) with JT

Like Washington deal ALOT better but could see NYM overpaying to get him

Yep Typo.

I'll take that Washington deal if its either/or. Not close really.

[Nick]

Lol we have new board members quoting former board members' twitter on here now.

[Lee Stone]

I can take them more seriously if they get a stud catcher.

I know one that is available.

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Mets playoff probability has shot up 20% because of these extra 4-5 wins they've received with the hot streak - 65%. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/our-...ve-a-new-look/

Realmuto gives them 3 more easy. Starts turning into the perfect storm for them getting stronger, making Miami worse, and preventing JT from going to Nationals.

If Realmuto has a $90 million surplus value which is pretty fair, Mets don't really have a prospect package to get there (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valu...100-prospects/).

Their top 3 obvious prospects the Marlins would want are: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-...new-york-mets/

FV50 SP - Robertson (LHP) - $14 mil value
FV45 C - Nido - $11 mil value
FV45 SS - Gimenez/Guillorme - $11 mil
=$36 mil

and that gets you nowhere to Realmuto.

This seems like the best chance of them ditching Chen for them, who is probably negative $40 million in value, so chipping in two more FV45/40 guys gets you to Realmuto.

*** Please note not advocating the Chen dump as the best idea, just hypotheticalizing how the Mets can get to Realmuto with keeping their 25 man roster intact. They aren't the best trade partner, but they probably can absorb money

Personally, I don't think the Mets have a proper package (w/o the type of salary dump you suggested). However, I doubt the team would be inclined to trade JT to a division rival. By trade deadline time there should be a half dozen teams with interest in acquiring him.

[lou]

You'll have to understand my lack of belief it will happen here, given the history of 6 winning seasons in 25. I'm totally cynical and jaded. I didn't come this way, the Marlins made me this way.

And judging from the attendance so far....averaging 6,600 for the Mets games, given we have the Pirates in town this weekend, I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans outdraw the Marlins on their next home stand.

You think Jeter has woken up to his ridiculous projections in Project Wolverine yet ? How will the abysmal attendance (and rightly so given the abysmal team on the field) affect Sherman/Jeter/other investors going forward next year ? Even their projections on FA/IFA money spent in the build up to 2020/21 ?

Good questions, but it always goes back to winning. They are making the right longterm baseball moves and that is step 1 to actually restoring (or first creating) confidence in the team. No one is going to care about Stanton and Ozuna in 3 years if they have a good team. Creating a winner outweighs tepid fan interest with Stanton and a 79 win team.

I think a good analogy is the Philadelphia 76ers. They ran the guys out of town who were bold enough to do what was needed to be done. Those fans probably feel pretty foolish now because it worked. Who knows if they can pull off the Astros/Cubs scenario, but I can't fault them for trying.

If it's 3 more shitty years, to turn into a real organization, sign me up.

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Personally, I don't think the Mets have a proper package (w/o the type of salary dump you suggested). However, I doubt the team would be inclined to trade JT to a division rival. By trade deadline time there should be a half dozen teams with interest in acquiring him.

I agree it'll be tough for the Mets without a dump scenario, which is likely not in the Marlins interest unless it's a one stop shopping dump and they take on all of Chen and Prado and still get 3 of their top 9 prospects.

I have no qualms of trading in division. Best deal, wherever it comes from. You can't control what anyone does so just do what you can control.

[rmc523]

You'll have to understand my lack of belief it will happen here, given the history of 6 winning seasons in 25. I'm totally cynical and jaded. I didn't come this way, the Marlins made me this way.

And judging from the attendance so far....averaging 6,600 for the Mets games, given we have the Pirates in town this weekend, I wouldn't be surprised to see New Orleans outdraw the Marlins on their next home stand.

You think Jeter has woken up to his ridiculous projections in Project Wolverine yet ? How will the abysmal attendance (and rightly so given the abysmal team on the field) affect Sherman/Jeter/other investors going forward next year ? Even their projections on FA/IFA money spent in the build up to 2020/21 ?

I still can't understand who in their right mind could 1) project increased attendance this year, and 2) believe a projection of increased attendance this year.

[Maddawg]

Good questions, but it always goes back to winning. They are making the right longterm baseball moves and that is step 1 to actually restoring (or first creating) confidence in the team. No one is going to care about Stanton and Ozuna in 3 years if they have a good team. Creating a winner outweighs tepid fan interest with Stanton and a 79 win team.

I think a good analogy is the Philadelphia 76ers. They ran the guys out of town who were bold enough to do what was needed to be done. Those fans probably feel pretty foolish now because it worked. Who knows if they can pull off the Astros/Cubs scenario, but I can't fault them for trying.

If it's 3 more shitty years, to turn into a real organization, sign me up.

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Lou I gotta agree with you 100%. If this turns out with even back to back winning seasons and no playoffs I will be happy. It's just the process is really painful because we've already been through more than 10 franchises put together.

I just get so put off by someone that is too cheery all the time, because it's not warrented. If you cheerlead for things and people and then once the team sends them packing and you turn on them viciously you just look like an ass-kisser. Can't stand those types, because they are never to be trusted.

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I still can't understand who in their right mind could 1) project increased attendance this year, and 2) believe a projection of increased attendance this year.

I know I was like ROFL for 10 minutes when I read that.....I was like "Jeter is a either a delusional idiot, or an all-time con-man who can't be trusted. He's already in the latter category for me.

[tjfla]

Personally, I don't think the Mets have a proper package (w/o the type of salary dump you suggested). However, I doubt the team would be inclined to trade JT to a division rival. By trade deadline time there should be a half dozen teams with interest in acquiring him.

Neither do I but they will get more at the trade deadline then they will if they wait till next winter especially if its Washington and NYM fighting for him. If u can get 5 guys for JT and Taz u jump on it.

Gimenez is actually a solid SS prospect(who will stick) and still only 19. Getting 2 young arms/young C and a bat like Alonso or something else its a respectable deal. I prefer a Washington deal because they have better prospects but NYM could overpay. The offers will only GET worse starting next year so get some prospects and move on

[fish16]

Lou I gotta agree with you 100%. If this turns out with even back to back winning seasons and no playoffs I will be happy. It's just the process is really painful because we've already been through more than 10 franchises put together.

I just get so put off by someone that is too cheery all the time, because it's not warrented. If you cheerlead for things and people and then once the team sends them packing and you turn on them viciously you just look like an ass-kisser. Can't stand those types, because they are never to be trusted.

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I know I was like ROFL for 10 minutes when I read that.....I was like "Jeter is a either a delusional idiot, or an all-time con-man who can't be trusted. He's already in the latter category for me.

building the team the correct way and cheering for that is 100% warranted. Ive said numerous times this might not even turn out well, but ive also said a million times that it is the process that matters and this is the right process 100%.

If someone in a small town crosses the street in the cross walk and at the proper time and gets hit by a crazy drunk driver, that doesnt make the fact that it didnt work out to be the wrong thing to do. IF someone crosses a busy manhattan street in the middle of the street and makes it to the other side of the street unscathed, that doesnt make it a smart thing to do and doesnt make it a better idea than the guy who happened to die doing the right thing. All ive ever said is that this rebuild of the organization from top to bottom was necessary for years and whether it works out or not, its the right thing to do.

A bunch of these prospects will turn out to bust, the fact that one of them might bust doesnt make this any less of the right move. Some of these trades will turn out to not produce much, and that too will still not turn out to make this any less of the right move.

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Mets dont have anything in their farm system worth being a centerpiece of a JT deal. anything, IMO, would need to include upper echelon talent. Im talking either Conforto or Amed Rosario (preferably him given our SS depth), and I dont think they would do it.

[tjfla]

building the team the correct way and cheering for that is 100% warranted. Ive said numerous times this might not even turn out well, but ive also said a million times that it is the process that matters and this is the right process 100%.

If someone in a small town crosses the street in the cross walk and at the proper time and gets hit by a crazy drunk driver, that doesnt make the fact that it didnt work out to be the wrong thing to do. IF someone crosses a busy manhattan street in the middle of the street and makes it to the other side of the street unscathed, that doesnt make it a smart thing to do and doesnt make it a better idea than the guy who happened to die doing the right thing. All ive ever said is that this rebuild of the organization from top to bottom was necessary for years and whether it works out or not, its the right thing to do.

A bunch of these prospects will turn out to bust, the fact that one of them might bust doesnt make this any less of the right move. Some of these trades will turn out to not produce much, and that too will still not turn out to make this any less of the right move.

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Mets dont have anything in their farm system worth being a centerpiece of a JT deal. anything, IMO, would need to include upper echelon talent. Im talking either Conforto or Amed Rosario (preferably him given our SS depth), and I dont think they would do it.

Gimenez could be a centerpiece. He is 19 in High A. Can stick at SS(Gold Glove quality too). Pretty much opposite of Kieboom. I would take a Gimenez/David Peterson package over Kieboom/Wil Crowe or Fedde. Washington have more depth however the question is would they trade it?

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp...tting/2018/ALL

When I say depth I mean Garcia or Antuna included. Both are what Gimenez was LY. Will Washington include either one in a deal? If not I see how bad the Mets want JT and squeeze them. They have stuff we would like just not high end

If mid June comes and the Mets are fighting for 1st but need a C I would call and offer JT/Taz with some cash for

SS Andres Gimenez
SP David Peterson
SP Chris Flexen OR Robert Gsellman
C Tomas Nido
1B Peter Alonso
Mid Level Prospect

ALL Ready by 2020
Tell them take it OR leave it and if the leave it we are going to do a deal with Washington

[Maddawg]

building the team the correct way and cheering for that is 100% warranted. Ive said numerous times this might not even turn out well, but ive also said a million times that it is the process that matters and this is the right process 100%.

If someone in a small town crosses the street in the cross walk and at the proper time and gets hit by a crazy drunk driver, that doesnt make the fact that it didnt work out to be the wrong thing to do. IF someone crosses a busy manhattan street in the middle of the street and makes it to the other side of the street unscathed, that doesnt make it a smart thing to do and doesnt make it a better idea than the guy who happened to die doing the right thing. All ive ever said is that this rebuild of the organization from top to bottom was necessary for years and whether it works out or not, its the right thing to do.

A bunch of these prospects will turn out to bust, the fact that one of them might bust doesnt make this any less of the right move. Some of these trades will turn out to not produce much, and that too will still not turn out to make this any less of the right move.

You don't even get that I agree with this process.

I just think they have done poorly so far. They have almost every rookie mistake that can be had. They could hung onto Yelich and traded Realmuto, which would have been the more prudent trade for the long run. Yelich is under a friendly contract....in 2 or 3 years you have to get rid of Realmuto and everyone will offer NOTHING for him. With Yelich that friendly contract made him attractive for 3 or 4 more years.....you traded the wrong dude 1st....

[tjfla]

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The Mets have spoken to the Marlins about J.T. Realmuto. It would take a haul to land him, plus Realmuto has not played yet this season because of a back contusion. That said, the Marlins are rebuilding so maybe there is common ground that can be found.

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Also JT should start rehab games in Jupiter next week so watch for it. Straily goes tonight for Jupiter

[fish16]

You don't even get that I agree with this process.

I just think they have done poorly so far. They have almost every rookie mistake that can be had. They could hung onto Yelich and traded Realmuto, which would have been the more prudent trade for the long run. Yelich is under a friendly contract....in 2 or 3 years you have to get rid of Realmuto and everyone will offer NOTHING for him. With Yelich that friendly contract made him attractive for 3 or 4 more years.....you traded the wrong dude 1st....

I get that you do, i just think your cynicism gets in the way of any logical thinking and your every post shows that. Yes Yelich had a great contract, thats why they got a great deal for him. They got 3 top 100 position prospects who will be here for 6 years under team control, whereas yelich had 5 i believe.
Also, youre the only one assuming they are holding on to Realmuto for another 2-3 years when in all likelihood they trade him at the deadline. Doesnt matter who they traded first, it matters that they continue to blow it up and trade away all these veterans and continue to add to the system.

[gustavopim]

I still can't understand who in their right mind could 1) project increased attendance this year, and 2) believe a projection of increased attendance this year.

Without the real numbers from last season we will never know if attendance got better or not. I mean last year we could've 4.000 people at the ballpark and they would still say that it was 20.000+. So there's not way of comparing. Also, I noticed that they increased the prices. That's something I wouldn't do. In addition to that, they have waaaaay less giveaways this season (and crappy ones).

Food is still expensive, traffic only gets worse and things around the ballpark look crappy/dangerous. I wish they could make the experience better overall with cheaper tickets.

I paid $1 for tickets at the homerun porch at Turner Field, at Marlins Park the crappiest seat is like $13-20.

[rmc523]

I know I was like ROFL for 10 minutes when I read that.....I was like "Jeter is a either a delusional idiot, or an all-time con-man who can't be trusted. He's already in the latter category for me.

I don't think he's a con man. I think he just has no idea of how baseball (or rather the team) is viewed in the market. People have zero trust in the team, and there's been so many PR missteps already, along with trading most of the team away (I don't mean that to start a debate as to whether it was needed, I'm just talking about it as having happened), people see no reason to trust the team now (yet?). I get that they needed to make numbers look good for potential investors, but their projections were laughable. I think he thought that he'd waltz in and that suddenly because there were new owners - because Jeter is involved - that people would suddenly flock to the park. It would've been interesting to see how attendance would've been had they kept the team together/signed a pitcher, but that's a moot point now. All that said, as you all know, Miami is a bandwagon market - they start winning, people will come, but that's a few years off now. I know I'd watch just about every game in the past, and I've seen maybe the equivalent of a game thus far, and not a full game at once (adding all the bits and pieces of what I've watched together).



On a side note - I always wonder how the fanbase would be now if the strike hadn't happened in their second season, and if Huizenga hadn't dismantled the team immediately after the '97 world series - could we have actually built a loyal local fanbase?

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Without the real numbers from last season we will never know if attendance got better or not. I mean last year we could've 4.000 people at the ballpark and they would still say that it was 20.000+. So there's not way of comparing. Also, I noticed that they increased the prices. That's something I wouldn't do. In addition to that, they have waaaaay less giveaways this season (and crappy ones).

Food is still expensive, traffic only gets worse and things around the ballpark look crappy/dangerous. I wish they could make the experience better overall with cheaper tickets.

I paid $1 for tickets at the homerun porch at Turner Field, at Marlins Park the crappiest seat is like $13-20.

I didn't realize they increased prices. To be honest, I haven't even looked at prices. That's just stupid.

I can see the argument for not wanting to price tickets too low, though - you run the risk of people geting used to the absurdly low prices to jack them way up when the team is more popular later, though it would get more people in the door to spend money on concessions and whatnot.

I felt the giveaways were pretty good last year (bobbleheads and whatnot), so it's sad to hear they're not giving away much.

I did read that water and soda is now like $5? Crazy. I read an article about the Falcons making soda $2 and lowering other prices. It'd be nice to see that happen elsewhere - I guarantee people will buy more if it was $1-2 less than now. Agreed about the area around the park, but there's not much they can do about that. A better team - thus enticing more/better businesses to try to move into the area - will help with that. I will say it has improved a fair amount since 2012 - with several new developments going in near the park (they just finished that big apartment complex by the interstate entrance).