Season Super Game Thread

[Maddawg]

Less than zero chance they only win 35 games.

of course, I was just getting under Fish skin...it was a fun time as always

[fish16]

of course, I was just getting under Fish skin...it was a fun time as always

you severely overestimate the amount i care about anything you say.

[fish16]

Also, for the Brinson people concerned about the bat, you have a right to be dissapointed in the bat thus far but he is second in defensive runs above average in the whole league out of any position according to fangraphs and 8th in BB reference's defensive war. He doesnt need to be a .900 + OPS guy to be a really good player and his minor league stats show he'll improve with the bat. the key to that trade out of everything was the depth. Also, we might even get lucky if he continues to struggle service time wise if he gets sent down soon. Not that i want him to struggle, but him going down for a month and a half would be huge for us.

[Maddawg]

you severely overestimate the amount i care about anything you say.

Yet you can't stop responding LOL !!!

[lou]

History doesn't side with the Marlins drafting & devolping really good pitching. They got lucky with Fernandez, but outside of him its a pretty crappy history

History doesn't really matter much with a new regime, and alternatively, they have had success trading for pitching. Regardless, I don't think it is a stretch to assume they get three SP out of this: Alcantara, Urena, J. Garcia, Niedert, D. Peters, Gallen, E. Hernandez, P. Lopez, T. Richards, Yamamoto, and Ca. Smith.

And then you have Guzman, Steckenrider, Wittgren, Merandy, some of the guys who don't cut it above, and others like O'Grady, Meyer, and Beltre who can easily work out in the bullpen.

There isn't a generational Fernandez pitcher, nor likely a Josh Johnson or Dontrelle when he was good, in this bunch, but developing a 3-4-5 and a bullpen that costs nothing for at least 5 seasons is a pretty good start.

Then they have:

-Realmuto trade assets
-Rogers, Garret, and E. Cabrera
-2018 # 1 pick
-IFA money

A lot more arms are coming to supplant this, as well as the big free agent SP in 20/21 when they are ready to step on the gas.

[fish16]

Yet you can't stop responding LOL !!!

responding is not equivalent to giving a shit about your opinion.

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History doesn't really matter much with a new regime, and alternatively, they have had success trading for pitching. Regardless, I don't think it is a stretch to assume they get three SP out of this: Alcantara, Urena, J. Garcia, Niedert, D. Peters, Gallen, E. Hernandez, P. Lopez, T. Richards, Yamamoto, and Ca. Smith.

And then you have Guzman, Steckenrider, Wittgren, Merandy, some of the guys who don't cut it above, and others like O'Grady, Meyer, and Beltre who can easily work out in the bullpen.

There isn't a generational Fernandez pitcher, nor likely a Josh Johnson or Dontrelle when he was good, in this bunch, but developing a 3-4-5 and a bullpen that costs nothing for at least 5 seasons is a pretty good start.

Then they have:

-Realmuto trade assets
-Rogers, Garret, and E. Cabrera
-2018 # 1 pick
-IFA money

A lot more arms are coming to supplant this, as well as the big free agent SP in 20/21 when they are ready to step on the gas.

bingo. no one is saying we have a championship level team in our organization right now, we're just saying that 12 games into a rebuild we're not in nearly as bad of a position as some of the other teams who have begun to rebuild were in the first year of their rebuild.

[Lee Stone]

While Met fans roar, "We're Number One," Marlin fans chirp, "We're not the worst." They're both probably wrong.

[tjfla]

History doesn't really matter much with a new regime, and alternatively, they have had success trading for pitching. Regardless, I don't think it is a stretch to assume they get three SP out of this: Alcantara, Urena, J. Garcia, Niedert, D. Peters, Gallen, E. Hernandez, P. Lopez, T. Richards, Yamamoto, and Ca. Smith.

And then you have Guzman, Steckenrider, Wittgren, Merandy, some of the guys who don't cut it above, and others like O'Grady, Meyer, and Beltre who can easily work out in the bullpen.

There isn't a generational Fernandez pitcher, nor likely a Josh Johnson or Dontrelle when he was good, in this bunch, but developing a 3-4-5 and a bullpen that costs nothing for at least 5 seasons is a pretty good start.

Then they have:

-Realmuto trade assets
-Rogers, Garret, and E. Cabrera
-2018 # 1 pick
-IFA money

A lot more arms are coming to supplant this, as well as the big free agent SP in 20/21 when they are ready to step on the gas.

Exactly. 2018 and 2019 season are whatever-all about finding guys who can stick in 2020 and adding talent to the pool. People are all worried about how many games we will win and stats while the FO is worried about getting thru the season without any season ending injuries and building guys value so they can get prospects for them.

Its like when I said they are probably signing Sandy Gaston and the response was well his control is iffy. Who the hell cares? He is 16 who throws 95-add him to the pool and worry about mechanics when u get him. GET as MUCH "Talent" as u can

Another name u might wanna add to BP arms is LHP Jose Quijada. Also a few nice RP arms in GBoro to keep eye on

2019 Draft Top 3 Pick
2020 Draft Top 3 Pick as well

2018 Pick might be changing-no leaks yet but have heard while they still prefer College Arms they also like Nick Madrigal or Nolan Gorman if they fall

[lou]

While Met fans roar, "We're Number One," Marlin fans chirp, "We're not the worst." They're both probably wrong.

I can take them more seriously if they get a stud catcher.

I know one that is available.

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Mets playoff probability has shot up 20% because of these extra 4-5 wins they've received with the hot streak - 65%. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/our-...ve-a-new-look/

Realmuto gives them 3 more easy. Starts turning into the perfect storm for them getting stronger, making Miami worse, and preventing JT from going to Nationals.

If Realmuto has a $90 million surplus value which is pretty fair, Mets don't really have a prospect package to get there (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valu...100-prospects/).

Their top 3 obvious prospects the Marlins would want are: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-...new-york-mets/

FV50 SP - Robertson (LHP) - $14 mil value
FV45 C - Nido - $11 mil value
FV45 SS - Gimenez/Guillorme - $11 mil
=$36 mil

and that gets you nowhere to Realmuto.

This seems like the best chance of them ditching Chen for them, who is probably negative $40 million in value, so chipping in two more FV45/40 guys gets you to Realmuto.

*** Please note not advocating the Chen dump as the best idea, just hypotheticalizing how the Mets can get to Realmuto with keeping their 25 man roster intact. They aren't the best trade partner, but they probably can absorb money

[Maddawg]

History doesn't really matter much with a new regime, and alternatively, they have had success trading for pitching. Regardless, I don't think it is a stretch to assume they get three SP out of this: Alcantara, Urena, J. Garcia, Niedert, D. Peters, Gallen, E. Hernandez, P. Lopez, T. Richards, Yamamoto, and Ca. Smith.

And then you have Guzman, Steckenrider, Wittgren, Merandy, some of the guys who don't cut it above, and others like O'Grady, Meyer, and Beltre who can easily work out in the bullpen.

There isn't a generational Fernandez pitcher, nor likely a Josh Johnson or Dontrelle when he was good, in this bunch, but developing a 3-4-5 and a bullpen that costs nothing for at least 5 seasons is a pretty good start.

Then they have:

-Realmuto trade assets
-Rogers, Garret, and E. Cabrera
-2018 # 1 pick
-IFA money

A lot more arms are coming to supplant this, as well as the big free agent SP in 20/21 when they are ready to step on the gas.

Do they have a whole new developement staff ? No one has really ever talked about that on a thred I have seen, and I think, given our history, is a really relevant issue going forward.

[lou]

Do they have a whole new developement staff ? No one has really ever talked about that on a thred I have seen, and I think, given our history, is a really relevant issue going forward.

Say what you will, but the Yankees dudes built one hell of a farm system and they are basically running the show

[gustavopim]

I can take them more seriously if they get a stud catcher.

I know one that is available.

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Mets playoff probability has shot up 20% because of these extra 4-5 wins they've received with the hot streak - 65%. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/our-...ve-a-new-look/

Realmuto gives them 3 more easy. Starts turning into the perfect storm for them getting stronger, making Miami worse, and preventing JT from going to Nationals.

If Realmuto has a $90 million surplus value which is pretty fair, Mets don't really have a prospect package to get there (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valu...100-prospects/).

Their top 3 obvious prospects the Marlins would want are: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-...new-york-mets/

FV50 SP - Robertson (LHP) - $14 mil value
FV45 C - Nido - $11 mil value
FV45 SS - Gimenez/Guillorme - $11 mil
=$36 mil

and that gets you nowhere to Realmuto.

This seems like the best chance of them ditching Chen for them, who is probably negative $40 million in value, so chipping in two more FV45/40 guys gets you to Realmuto.

*** Please note not advocating the Chen dump as the best idea, just hypotheticalizing how the Mets can get to Realmuto with keeping their 25 man roster intact. They aren't the best trade partner, but they probably can absorb money

Maybe we could get one of their good starters and flip it for prospects.

[tjfla]

Do they have a whole new developement staff ? No one has really ever talked about that on a thred I have seen, and I think, given our history, is a really relevant issue going forward.

Yep whole new development and minor league staff except Stan Meek. He is still around just demoted

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I can take them more seriously if they get a stud catcher.

I know one that is available.

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Mets playoff probability has shot up 20% because of these extra 4-5 wins they've received with the hot streak - 65%. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/our-...ve-a-new-look/

Realmuto gives them 3 more easy. Starts turning into the perfect storm for them getting stronger, making Miami worse, and preventing JT from going to Nationals.

If Realmuto has a $90 million surplus value which is pretty fair, Mets don't really have a prospect package to get there (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valu...100-prospects/).

Their top 3 obvious prospects the Marlins would want are: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-...new-york-mets/

FV50 SP - Robertson (LHP) - $14 mil value
FV45 C - Nido - $11 mil value
FV45 SS - Gimenez/Guillorme - $11 mil
=$36 mil

and that gets you nowhere to Realmuto.

This seems like the best chance of them ditching Chen for them, who is probably negative $40 million in value, so chipping in two more FV45/40 guys gets you to Realmuto.

*** Please note not advocating the Chen dump as the best idea, just hypotheticalizing how the Mets can get to Realmuto with keeping their 25 man roster intact. They aren't the best trade partner, but they probably can absorb money

Think u mean Peterson?

Again Washington and NYM both need a C bad already. Robles and Soto are off table

Best offers are likely

Washington-Kieboom/Crowe/Garcia OR Antuna/Severino/Mid Level Prospect
NYM-Gimenez/Peterson/Peter Alonso/Nido/Chris Flexen OR Robert Gsellman

I could see us trading a RP(Ziegler or Taz) with JT

Like Washington deal ALOT better but could see NYM overpaying(adding more) to get him

[gustavopim]

@CTowersCBS
Amazing thing I just discovered:

Fernando Rodney has pitched for nine teams in his MLB career. The Marlins are the only one to ever give up a player in a trade to acquire him.

11:09 AM - 13 Apr 2018

[tjfla]

@CTowersCBS
Amazing thing I just discovered:

Fernando Rodney has pitched for nine teams in his MLB career. The Marlins are the only one to ever give up a player in a trade to acquire him.

11:09 AM - 13 Apr 2018

What happens when the Owner thinks he is the GM and tells people to make trades