Season Super Game Thread

[Lee Stone]

I mean, if Brinson and Harrison can hit 25+ HR’s a year and catch EVERYTHING in the outfield, do we really care how much they strike out?

With 25 homers, they'd become Keon Broxton. Not acceptable.

[fish16]

Hard to take someone seriously who can't even get the abbreviation for walks/base on balls right.

It is painfully apparent he has no clue how to evaluate prospects and what to look at when doing so

[Lee Stone]

It is painfully apparent he has no clue how to evaluate prospects and what to look at when doing so

Then why read my posts? Simple solution. As the saying goes: "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."

[tjfla]

For people interested in our IFA Class from LY,Baseball America has a review up of it

No clue what it says since BA has turned into a Pay Site for EVERYTHING. Nothing better than looking up info which is free on 99 sites and on BA it costs cash!! Great Model

[lou]

With 25 homers, they'd become Keon Broxton. Not acceptable.

Do you think Mike Cameron was a good baseball player? He hit .249 and basically ht 25 HR on average.

Is he good?

- - - - - - - - - -

Here and any Marlins platform like twitter, fishstripes we talk like we know anything about player development and evaluation, but the truth is that NO ONE here knows shit about anything. We don't know 10% of what goes on in the front office or MILB teams.

In the end we all look stupid in regards of the actual decisions and who turned into starts or even MLB players and who are busts.

But you can easily aggregate major scouting sources and realize Alcantara is a top 100 prospect in all of them and Ben Meyer not in any of them.

Yes lower guys do end up better sometimes, but it's still probably better to trust an industry consensus then 7 weeks first time in AA like Monte Harrison.

I wonder what Lee thinks about Mike Trout's 2011 MLB debut?

- - - - - - - - - -

Reason to trade Brinson and Harrison: Try to find a single decent ML hitter who ever put up a 4/1 K/W ratio at any level of the minors or the majors ... even one. Over the last two seasons, Harrison is 5/1. Brinson was 3/1 for his minor league career (not good) and 5/1 in the majors (catastrophic). It's the reason MILW let them go. Conversely, Yelich maintained a 2/1 ratio through his ML career, exactly the reason the Brewers wanted him. Of note: this is exactly the same ratio he carried in the minors.

Dee Gordon basically has a 1/4 BB/K for his career (4.3%-15.1%). If I cared enough I would find plenty of examples of solid players. That is a bad generalization.

But yes, we all agree it has been a 7 bad weeks for the Yelich trade (and Sierra). The 4 main prospects are not as advertised, but at least the pitching is better then advertised.

[Lee Stone]

On Cameron, great example. Everyone knew that strikeouts held him back; he whiffed 1901 times in his career. However, he managed to offset that somewhat by drawing 867 walks. His strikeout to walk ratio was therefore just 2.2/1. That's more than TWICE as good as Harrison and Brinson.

Dee Gordon's strikeout frequency is far less than half that of Brinson/Harrison.

Lou, it's not a generalization. I don't think you could find a single exception. A generalization is that a 21-year-old will be a better player/pitcher at 23 than he is now. For that one, there are endless exceptions.

[Nick]

in a month and a half...where one is trying to get acclimated to AA pitching and the other is getting acclimated to Major League pitching.

[Namaste]

A few Marlins fans are going to look REALLY stupid if Brinson or Harrison pan out.

[Lee Stone]

in a month and a half...where one is trying to get acclimated to AA pitching and the other is getting acclimated to Major League pitching.

I hope I'm completely wrong about Harrison and Brinson, but they'll have to defy history.

- - - - - - - - - -

A few Marlins fans are going to look REALLY stupid if Brinson or Harrison pan out.

Just me, I think. As far as I know, everybody else loves those guys.

[fish16]

I hope I'm completely wrong about Harrison and Brinson, but they'll have to defy history.

- - - - - - - - - -



Just me, I think. As far as I know, everybody else loves those guys.

It’s not defying history at all. That’s the entire point. You have 0 clue what you’re talking about when it comes to evaluating players

[Nick]

I hope I'm completely wrong about Harrison and Brinson, but they'll have to defy history.

What a vague incorrect statement.

Also, I'm pretty sure you were all in on Harrison before Spring Training.

[Lee Stone]

What a vague incorrect statement.

Also, I'm pretty sure you were all in on Harrison before Spring Training.

All in, yes. I bought into the hype, read some flattering stuff. I wanted to believe. However, guys who can hit big homers get the same bias as pitchers who touch 100 - regardless of whether they can pitch or not. Then I actually saw Monte perform. Helpless. I bought an Milb video package to watch minor league games. He consistently looks really bad at the plate.

Nothing vague at all about saying no player ever succeeded while striking out five times per base on balls. That couldn't be more specific. If it's incorrect, I can't find a single case to dispute it.

[Nick]

Nothing vague at all about saying no player ever succeeded while striking out five times per base on balls. That couldn't be more specific.

Lee Stone player evaluation strategy: The player you've been for the past month and a half is the player you will be for the rest of your career.

The fact that you don't get how ridiculous this is speaks volumes.

[Lee Stone]

The fact that you don't get how ridiculous this is speaks volumes.

Volumes about what? Your intelligence and my stupidity? Be kind to the mentally challenged or ignore my posts.

[Nick]

Just saying try to take a more big picture approach, sample size is a huge deal in baseball. It's just like the Isaac Galloway thing. You fell in love with him over 75 AAA ABs last year and pretty much discounted his previous 3000 minor league ABs. He's got over double the amount of ABs he had last year already this year and he's turned into the guy he was pre-2017. Evaluating minor league players is a long game, you gotta let things play out.