2024 Game Thread

[Namaste]

To add insult to injury, and another excuse for Bruce to be cheap…

Diamond Sports/Ballys is pulling out of their TV deal with the Marlins and 10 other teams.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/...mlb-clubs.html

Holy shit

[rmc523]

What happened to the whole Amazon is broadcast all 162 Marlins games via streaming?

I don’t remember that ever being a thing?

or was it a theoretical thing last time Ballys was considering dropping them?

[fish16]

pache and jose devers opted for free agency. On a related note to taking a chance on pache, i didnt realize how fucking great victor robles was in Seattle. 30/31 in SB's, OPS of .814, hit .328, put up a 3.2 WAR in just 77 games there. Should have taken a chance on him.

[Nick]

To add insult to injury, and another excuse for Bruce to be cheap…

Diamond Sports/Ballys is pulling out of their TV deal with the Marlins and 10 other teams.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/...mlb-clubs.html

What happened to the whole Amazon is broadcast all 162 Marlins games via streaming?

[rmc523]

To add insult to injury, and another excuse for Bruce to be cheap…

Diamond Sports/Ballys is pulling out of their TV deal with the Marlins and 10 other teams.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/...mlb-clubs.html

[Nick]

bendix made it pretty clear that they wont be spending money btw, so those pipe dreams can stop. When you're asked about spending money and you immediately pivot to the cliche of rebuilding the organization from the ground up, it's pretty clear nothing is changing. Not saying it's not necessary to rebuild the infrastructure of the organization, but we heard the same bullshit with jeter and denbo. It's a way to pivot from a question of spending like a major league organization.

I will say that it is super annoying that bendix clearly planned to blow up this team from the moment he got here, but didnt have the stomach to do it right away. instead, they did nothing all offseason last year, got destroyed by injuries early, and then blew up the team the second they had a disastrous april and could theoretically justify it. a lot of this stuff is stuff they could have done last offseason and probably would have been in a better position right now had they done so. See luzardo.

To be fair, he pretty much dodged every question from the press conference, not just the payroll question, but yeah it doesn't seem promising.

[fish16]

bendix made it pretty clear that they wont be spending money btw, so those pipe dreams can stop. When you're asked about spending money and you immediately pivot to the cliche of rebuilding the organization from the ground up, it's pretty clear nothing is changing. Not saying it's not necessary to rebuild the infrastructure of the organization, but we heard the same bullshit with jeter and denbo. It's a way to pivot from a question of spending like a major league organization.

I will say that it is super annoying that bendix clearly planned to blow up this team from the moment he got here, but didnt have the stomach to do it right away. instead, they did nothing all offseason last year, got destroyed by injuries early, and then blew up the team the second they had a disastrous april and could theoretically justify it. a lot of this stuff is stuff they could have done last offseason and probably would have been in a better position right now had they done so. See luzardo.

[Todd]

I would assume he had a good working relationship with Skip and will follow him. Granted he has been here across multiple managers so who knows.

They seem to be remaking the organization from the ground up.

[fish16]

Mel Stottlemyre Jr. let go. Seems like a huge mistake.

just came here to say that. I would put a large amount of money on gabe kapler coming in as the new manager. Writing has been on the wall for a while. Hopefully not though. Stotlemeyer going, if it was a team decision, seems like a very shortsighted move.

[Nick]

Mel Stottlemyre Jr. let go. Seems like a huge mistake.

[Nick]

Agree with bold!!!!

I'm an optimist though - I go Cabrera as the team's 2nd best SP next year (Sandy) and it comes together with a murderous 3 right hander set up moving forward. I will dream.


I'd put Monteverde as the 5th (will be exposed in R5 but not gonna happen) - Fulton will be in AA and nowhere near ready. I'd also swap Garrett and Weathers but that's whatever.

AA?

1. White
2. Noble
3. Dax
4. Jacob Miller
5. Karson Milbrandt

[lou]

I'm not talking ceiling vs. floor. Obviously Cabrera has a higher ceiling, but if I'm putting money on who has a better season in 2025. I'm putting money on Weathers.

Next season MLB and AAA Opening Day rotations have to be the following, right? (barring trades of course)

MLB

1. Sandy
2. Luzardo
3. Weathers
4. Cabrera
5. Garrett

AAA
1. Max
2. Bellozo
3. Snelling
4. Mazur
5. Dax Fulton? Will he be back?

Then Eury whenever he returns, and I'm sure these 10 will be ravaged by injuries by then. lol

Agree with bold!!!!

I'm an optimist though - I go Cabrera as the team's 2nd best SP next year (Sandy) and it comes together with a murderous 3 right hander set up moving forward. I will dream.


I'd put Monteverde as the 5th (will be exposed in R5 but not gonna happen) - Fulton will be in AA and nowhere near ready. I'd also swap Garrett and Weathers but that's whatever.

[lou]

The MLBTR arb projections came out, and summarily, this is $61-62m depending on what they renew 0-2nd year players with.


This is the keep everyone of interest team at that price (except Pereda, Brujan, and Hill which would be the blank lines but I just can't imagine):

C - Fortes, ____
1B - Burger, Bride
2B - Edwards, Otto
SS - _____
3B - Norby
LF - Stowers, Dane
CF - ______, Sanoja
RF - Sanchez
(AAA - Ramirez, Banfield, DDLS, Serna, Pauley, Mesa Jr.)

SP Sandy, Luzardo, Garrett, Cabrera, Weathers
RHP Faucher, Bender, Cronin, Tinoco, Oller, Baumann
LHP Nardi, Veneziano
(AAA/AA - Max, McMillian, Maldonado, Mazur, Simpson, Bellozo, Petersen, Fulton)
(IL - Eury)

Dead Money - Garcia, Go


As a note, Sandy, Garcia, and Go is roughly 50% of this money.

[Nick]

This is a floor vs ceiling discussion.

Weathers is kind of a lefty version of Cabrera with a good changeup and sweeper, and weaker fastball and sinker offerings. But the difference for me is Cabrera is throwing that changeup hard and Weathers has velocity but only on the fastball and sinker which are not great. He's a medium step back from Cabrera in this regard as Cabrera has the singular best pitch. Weathers may have a higher floor (walks and health) but the ceiling isn't close. I am a ceiling guy in most circumstances. I would take Cabrera in a heartbeat.

Garrett is a bit more interesting as the lack of walks is dramatic and a huge plus, but he is all slider and doesn't have a 2nd above average pitch. Even if he has 2-3 more pitches (most likely sinker and change) that are acceptably above average, his lower velocity across the board gets into the danger zone fast if he loses anything. Cabrera's ceiling is much higher everywhere. It is genuinely crazy his changeup is faster than Garrett's fastballs. Garrett has a larger floor than Weathers with the walks and genuinely could turn into the Marlins "Lugo" who throws 5-6 pitches so the confusion element trumps the stuff, but I still would go with Cabrera as it looked like a step forward once he got back. Garrett is a perfect change of pace to all the velocity righties though. I expect him around awhile.

We'll have to see what Luzardo shows up, but end of 21-23 Luzardo is an outstanding pitcher and yes I am all-in on him when fully healthy.

Cabrera is 4 to me after Eury, Sandy, and Luzardo in that order. Garrett and Weathers would be next also in that order. If they do a dedicated 5 man rotation, I don't think it's a question if Cabrera is in there even if we debate is he 2, 3, 4, or 5 on that list. Max goes to AAA to work on his changeup, or they just pull the plug and install him as the closer which he'd probably be great at.

I'm not talking ceiling vs. floor. Obviously Cabrera has a higher ceiling, but if I'm putting money on who has a better season in 2025. I'm putting money on Weathers.

Next season MLB and AAA Opening Day rotations have to be the following, right? (barring trades of course)

MLB

1. Sandy
2. Luzardo
3. Weathers
4. Cabrera
5. Garrett

AAA
1. Max
2. Bellozo
3. Snelling
4. Mazur
5. Dax Fulton? Will he be back?

Then Eury whenever he returns, and I'm sure these 10 will be ravaged by injuries by then. lol

[lou]

Cabrera is a true wild card for sure, I'm not sure we'd be actually selling high with him dealing him this offseason, but maybe we would be.

I've always been a huge fan of his, but it's been quite a while now and he still hasn't put it together. I think I'm still in the camp of holding on to him and hoping he turns into the ace I think he could be. Is he a top 5 pitcher for us going into next season, though? I guess yes, until Eury comes back, but I'd have Weathers, Luzardo and Garrett in front of him.

This is a floor vs ceiling discussion.

Weathers is kind of a lefty version of Cabrera with a good changeup and sweeper, and weaker fastball and sinker offerings. But the difference for me is Cabrera is throwing that changeup hard and Weathers has velocity but only on the fastball and sinker which are not great. He's a medium step back from Cabrera in this regard as Cabrera has the singular best pitch. Weathers may have a higher floor (walks and health) but the ceiling isn't close. I am a ceiling guy in most circumstances. I would take Cabrera in a heartbeat.

Garrett is a bit more interesting as the lack of walks is dramatic and a huge plus, but he is all slider and doesn't have a 2nd above average pitch. Even if he has 2-3 more pitches (most likely sinker and change) that are acceptably above average, his lower velocity across the board gets into the danger zone fast if he loses anything. Cabrera's ceiling is much higher everywhere. It is genuinely crazy his changeup is faster than Garrett's fastballs. Garrett has a larger floor than Weathers with the walks and genuinely could turn into the Marlins "Lugo" who throws 5-6 pitches so the confusion element trumps the stuff, but I still would go with Cabrera as it looked like a step forward once he got back. Garrett is a perfect change of pace to all the velocity righties though. I expect him around awhile.

We'll have to see what Luzardo shows up, but end of 21-23 Luzardo is an outstanding pitcher and yes I am all-in on him when fully healthy.

Cabrera is 4 to me after Eury, Sandy, and Luzardo in that order. Garrett and Weathers would be next also in that order. If they do a dedicated 5 man rotation, I don't think it's a question if Cabrera is in there even if we debate is he 2, 3, 4, or 5 on that list. Max goes to AAA to work on his changeup, or they just pull the plug and install him as the closer which he'd probably be great at.