2023 Game Thread

[fish16]

Make it 15 home runs in 45 innings. Just absurdly bad

[rmc523]

Ive been to plenty of games at the stadium so fuck off. I lived in coral gables and brickell for 5 years and went to countless games and obviously have been to several games the last few years as well, just because im not dropping everything im doing and planning my day around leaving work early to drive in rush hour traffic for an hour to see a product that refuses to spend money on itself doesnt mean i havent been to the stadium.

there is no food at the budweiser bar. I didnt say no one goes there, i said recess sucks and it is overpriced and you dont have great views of the game. Open another part of the upper deck for cheap tickets and put a standing room only bar and restaurant among other attractions like the chophouse in atlanta. Every stadium in baseball has a bar. There is nothing special about the budweiser bar. You can get a $15 dollar beer at every ballpark. There is no need for 37k seats in a stadium that cant bring out 12k fans. Take out the seats in the upper deck in right field and put an actual attraction that people can go to before, during, and after games.

The seats in the lower deck in the OF and in the left field seats are $15 as opposed to the $12 seats in the upper deck in right field. It's not making or breaking someone's night or they can lower the ticket prices. The old fish tank seats in pro player were $12 in the early 2000's, people can afford the extra $3 for the other seats.

The ballpark has no attractions outside of a failed ex-clevelander and a single budweiser bar. None of those are bringing people out to the ballpark. They can build something in the upper deck in right field that would be an attraction. The 137 people who sit in those seats on most weekday game nights can buy seats at the new area or pay the extra $3 for tickets in the other lower bowl outfield seats. The stadium is not in a part of town where people are going to just come in on their way by. They need to make it a place people want to go. currently the stadium does not have that type of attraction. That might be different if the stadium was in downtown fort lauderdale or closer to the heart of downtown miami, but it's just not. People arent going to go out of their way to travel to little havana for a stadium with a single budweiser bar and an overpriced recess, they have to make it an attraction and give people a reason to go out there.

Eh, I don't think plopping another restaurant is going to somehow be some massive attraction that you're making it out to be, but I'm not saying not to add something.

To my knowledge they haven't even updated the upper (3rd) deck behind home/down the lines with the same upgrades with the original Jeter reno. They already have the infrastructure for restaurants up there because there are a few concession stands there with cooking equipment. So, if anything, I'd advocate removing a chunk in one of the corners there as opposed to the home run porch, where you'd have to do a massive project to add the additional weight and equipment there.

[rmc523]

Yeah, the baserunning was horrid last night.

Jazz trying to do too much - McNeil already had the ball before Jazz even got to 1st - absolutely no reason to run there with no outs.

Soler tried to force that run too, but at least that was a bit more routine.

[fish16]

Eh, I don't think plopping another restaurant is going to somehow be some massive attraction that you're making it out to be, but I'm not saying not to add something.

To my knowledge they haven't even updated the upper (3rd) deck behind home/down the lines with the same upgrades with the original Jeter reno. They already have the infrastructure for restaurants up there because there are a few concession stands there with cooking equipment. So, if anything, I'd advocate removing a chunk in one of the corners there as opposed to the home run porch, where you'd have to do a massive project to add the additional weight and equipment there.

i'm not saying it's going to be like disney world, my main point is this stadium doesnt need 37k seats, and it could use another place where you could get both food AND drinks while still having a great view of the game. Realistically, the location of the stadium itself is what will always prevent it from attracting a consistently big crowd without a few years of big investment in the team and sustained success. The area around the ballpark is not a big hangout spot obviously, it's in a residential neighborhood. Getting there from downtown miami or coral gables, while not super far, is not a 3 minute drive or walk either with how traffic is most weekdays. It takes a concerted effort to get to the games.

I think they should be doing everything possible to try to just get people in the stadium for games and hope it leads to repeat business. Ive been to the braves new stadium a bunch, that area in right field attracts a bunch of young people who quite frankly arent even watching the game, but they are in the stadium. The difference is that ballpark is in a super young and affluent area of town, whereas we are in little havana, but they need something to attract more people, even if it is for cheap standing room only tickets up there to just hang out at the bar/restaurant/whatever other attraction they put there. Maybe even put an homage to the old Orange Bowl dump that was Bowl Bar next to the stadium. Bowl Bar & Grill. They just dont need this many seats.

The location of where the ballpark is and how many people actually go to games will make it impossible for any cool bar/restaurant outside the stadium or in the bottom floor of the parking garage to ever sustain itself and be a successful business. So they need to do something to make the stadium an attraction for people to come out early and want to be inside the stadium and even hang out after the game. Hearing that recess and the budweiser bar are main attractions that should appeal to people is beyond laughable. Im 29, and i lived in brickell and coral gables for 5 years in my 20's, those arent making young people go out in droves to the ballpark from the downtown/brickell area or for people who go to UM and live in Gables.

they dont even need to update the upper deck where no one has sat in years to do this. Just get rid of the seats in the upper deck in right field, or at least a few sections. There are still cheap tickets available in left field and right field lower deck. If anything, it makes the stadium look more full with the same amount of people.

[Namaste]

Ive been to plenty of games at the stadium so fuck off.

there is no food at the budweiser bar. I didnt say no one goes there, i said recess sucks and it is overpriced There is nothing special about the budweiser bar. You can get a $15 dollar beer at every ballpark.

The ballpark has no attractions outside of a failed ex-clevelander and a single budweiser bar.

“Overpriced Recess” that is packed every night. I can see the interior of Recess from my seats in Sec 40 and it’s consistently packed. You wouldn’t know this because you (admittedly) don’t go to games anymore.

You also wouldn’t know that they sell $5 Budweisers at the Budweiser Bar because, again, you USED to go to games but (admittedly on this forum) no longer go to games.

Bruce should be spending more on payroll. Literally no one is arguing otherwise. But the fact is, this team is a .5 game out of the Wild Card on September 21st and they drew 10K a night on the first half of their final home stand. It’s pathetic and embarrassing.

If they were 8 games under .500, 10K (or 5K) a night would be totally acceptable. Keep making excuses for the fans and yourself for not supporting the players on the field. Don’t cry when they move to Montreal. Have a great day!

[Namaste]

I think they should be doing everything possible to try to just get people in the stadium for games and hope it leads to repeat business.

Do you mean like the cheapest seats in all of MLB and $3 Nathan’s hot dogs, $5 Budweisers and $3 bottled water and nachos? Hahahaha.

[rmc523]

i'm not saying it's going to be like disney world, my main point is this stadium doesnt need 37k seats, and it could use another place where you could get both food AND drinks while still having a great view of the game. Realistically, the location of the stadium itself is what will always prevent it from attracting a consistently big crowd without a few years of big investment in the team and sustained success. The area around the ballpark is not a big hangout spot obviously, it's in a residential neighborhood. Getting there from downtown miami or coral gables, while not super far, is not a 3 minute drive or walk either with how traffic is most weekdays. It takes a concerted effort to get to the games.

I think they should be doing everything possible to try to just get people in the stadium for games and hope it leads to repeat business. Ive been to the braves new stadium a bunch, that area in right field attracts a bunch of young people who quite frankly arent even watching the game, but they are in the stadium. The difference is that ballpark is in a super young and affluent area of town, whereas we are in little havana, but they need something to attract more people, even if it is for cheap standing room only tickets up there to just hang out at the bar/restaurant/whatever other attraction they put there. Maybe even put an homage to the old Orange Bowl dump that was Bowl Bar next to the stadium. Bowl Bar & Grill. They just dont need this many seats.

The location of where the ballpark is and how many people actually go to games will make it impossible for any cool bar/restaurant outside the stadium or in the bottom floor of the parking garage to ever sustain itself and be a successful business. So they need to do something to make the stadium an attraction for people to come out early and want to be inside the stadium and even hang out after the game. Hearing that recess and the budweiser bar are main attractions that should appeal to people is beyond laughable. Im 29, and i lived in brickell and coral gables for 5 years in my 20's, those arent making young people go out in droves to the ballpark from the downtown/brickell area or for people who go to UM and live in Gables.

they dont even need to update the upper deck where no one has sat in years to do this. Just get rid of the seats in the upper deck in right field, or at least a few sections. There are still cheap tickets available in left field and right field lower deck. If anything, it makes the stadium look more full with the same amount of people.

I'm just struggling to see how "Bowl Bar & Grill" is suddenly going to make a ton of people show up.

They won't show up for cheap options like SRO areas (i.e. things that were supposed to bring younger folks in), but suddenly they'll show up for what will undoubtedly be a more expensive option that they can only get into around game time?

[fish16]

Do you mean like the cheapest seats in all of MLB and $3 Nathan’s hot dogs, $5 Budweisers and $3 bottled water and nachos? Hahahaha.

As if that deal is mutually exclusive with a development in right field. Nothing is stopping that deal from still being there with another attraction in right field.

[fish16]

“Overpriced Recess” that is packed every night. I can see the interior of Recess from my seats in Sec 40 and it’s consistently packed. You wouldn’t know this because you (admittedly) don’t go to games anymore.

You also wouldn’t know that they sell $5 Budweisers at the Budweiser Bar because, again, you USED to go to games but (admittedly on this forum) no longer go to games.

Bruce should be spending more on payroll. Literally no one is arguing otherwise. But the fact is, this team is a .5 game out of the Wild Card on September 21st and they drew 10K a night on the first half of their final home stand. It’s pathetic and embarrassing.

If they were 8 games under .500, 10K (or 5K) a night would be totally acceptable. Keep making excuses for the fans and yourself for not supporting the players on the field. Don’t cry when they move to Montreal. Have a great day!

Wow, a single shitty beer for $5 promotion, that should bring the fans out in droves. Again, i never said recess isnt packed, it's overpriced, and the view from there isnt great. It's an area to hang out in. And again, none of these things are mutually exclusive from another development and cool area to add to the park in right field. No one is saying get rid of the other 2 things, it's to add another attraction to the ballpark. This stadium does not need 37k seats. The upper deck has barely been sat in 10 years outside of the occasional red sox or yankees game and bark at the park games.

The attendance numbers being as low as they are should tell you im right. I actually think the view from that bar is cool, but to act like they have the whole attraction to bring people out to the park thing covered because of recess and a single budweiser beer bar is just dumb. I wont cry if they move to montreal, though they have a lease here for 35 years so it wont be any time soon. Im supporting the players on the field, sorry i dont have the life and career to be able to plan my day around leaving work early and driving in rush hour traffic on the worst stretch of highway in america to watch a team be mediocre and an owner not give a shit about his investment. I mapped it yesterday at 530 from my house, it was an hour and 24 minutes in nothing but orange and red traffic on my phone. I dont really give a shit if you think that makes me a bad fan, im not doing that for a team that refuses to act like a major league organization. i'll go to a playoff game if they have one. Sherman doesnt deserve fans to come out, whether it's in a playoff chase or not.

you want to make marlins park out to be this awesome destination. It's not, and it's in an awful area to attract a lot of fans. They had no other choice to put the stadium there or they would have moved years ago, but those are the facts of the matter about the situation. giving suggestions to make it a more attractive destination to bring more people out is not a crazy idea. You seem to be 40 something to 50 something with kids, which is great and an awesome thing to do with your kids, but maybe listen to others who arent in your situation when they tell you why no one goes to the games even in a playoff chase, especially young people.

[fish16]

I'm just struggling to see how "Bowl Bar & Grill" is suddenly going to make a ton of people show up.

They won't show up for cheap options like SRO areas (i.e. things that were supposed to bring younger folks in), but suddenly they'll show up for what will undoubtedly be a more expensive option that they can only get into around game time?

You can make that area a SRO ticket. Again, the bottom line is they dont need 37k seats. That's not a controversial statement. They had 11k for a huge game yesterday. Giving suggestions for another way to make the ballpark more appealing to go out of your way to attend a game shouldnt be something that should be maligned.

[lou]

“Overpriced Recess” that is packed every night. I can see the interior of Recess from my seats in Sec 40 and it’s consistently packed. You wouldn’t know this because you (admittedly) don’t go to games anymore.

You also wouldn’t know that they sell $5 Budweisers at the Budweiser Bar because, again, you USED to go to games but (admittedly on this forum) no longer go to games.

Bruce should be spending more on payroll. Literally no one is arguing otherwise. But the fact is, this team is a .5 game out of the Wild Card on September 21st and they drew 10K a night on the first half of their final home stand. It’s pathetic and embarrassing.

If they were 8 games under .500, 10K (or 5K) a night would be totally acceptable. Keep making excuses for the fans and yourself for not supporting the players on the field. Don’t cry when they move to Montreal. Have a great day!

I can't believe I am here, but I do think fish16 has a point and maybe we should view this as what a younger demographic is looking for. Young adults in their 20s do want experiences and having some additional ballpark features may help bring some people out. The day to day crowds are probably more young professionals in Miami who don't have kids weighing them down, etc. And those people never got 1997 and 2003 on a big picture level so are they true longterm fans right now as they were 5 when the Marlins were winning the whole damn thing? The Rays are going with a 30k stadium, so maybe there is some place in the stadium the Marlins can sacrifice and give up empty seats for something unique and Miami that is fun. I know they have done this in LF already from day 1 and OF concourse more recently, but I don't think this is a bad idea in concept even if one wants to argue the exact idea fish16 is pitching may not be the best one and there is a better idea somewhere else in the stadium.

I think you're both right here, they should be drawing more based on the on field production, but they also need to be doing more and make it more of an event. Unfortunately, baseball alone isn't going to do it right now, but maybe they go on a 5 year contending streak and start earning public trust. Frankly, the Heat and Panthers are great examples for them. They Heat are always good and Heat fans stand by them no matter what as they trust the product. The Panthers have committed financially and became a winner, so people are into it. Rinse/repeat what is Bruce doing this offseason and is now the time?

[lou]

I'm just struggling to see how "Bowl Bar & Grill" is suddenly going to make a ton of people show up.

They won't show up for cheap options like SRO areas (i.e. things that were supposed to bring younger folks in), but suddenly they'll show up for what will undoubtedly be a more expensive option that they can only get into around game time?

TBH I think you described millennial and gen z culture here to an extent and do we have a fun Instagrammable/TikTok feature at the entrance of his exclusive option so everyone has FOMO?

Why not a brewery tasting room/sports bar in the retail space outside also, that's not an 81 game draw type of place. I believe the Mets and Brewers have breweries built into their stadiums, etc.

[lou]

Sandy is pitching AAA tonight.

That sets up Weds Sep 27th against the Mets and could be available short rest Oct 1st for last day of season if needed for 2 innings.

[fish16]

its great that sandy is trying to come back, but it's a little weird that with so few games he is pitching in AAA? He's only been out 18 days and if he is healthy enough to pitch it kind of concerns me and thinks his elbow might blow if he is going to AAA for a start to see what happens. Or maybe it's just a small tune up for an inning or 2 and then a formal start at the big league level a few days later and see if we can squeeze 2 starts out of him and line him up so he pitches the finale and then whatever game comes before that 4 games earlier?

In fact, now that i think about it and look at the schedule, that's exactly what they are doing. Normal rest is 4 days, so pitch tonight and then normal rest Friday to monday. Then he starts tuesday against the mets, then 4 games later would be normal rest for the last day of the year. They are going to try to get 2 more starts out of him

maybe the idea is if he was supposed to go tomorrow night for us up here, then he would still have just 2 starts regardless just given how many games are left. So with a rehab outing tonight they can get him to maybe get some rust off in AAA, id expect it to be not that long of a start, maybe 3-4 innings, and then still get 2 starts out of him, with one of them being potentially the most important game of the year in game 162

[Namaste]

$2 Nathan’s hot dogs and $3.50 for beer tomorrow night. Even more affordable than normal for their 1993 pricing promotion.

YEAH BUT THE TRAFFIC IS BAD!!!!111111