2023 Game Thread

[fish16]

a sweep of washington would be huge. We have Sandy, Garrett, and Luzardo going against Trevor Williams (who i will again remind you we traded right after drafting him for a front office person we promptly fired a year later), Cole Irvin, and Patrick Corbin. Irvin and Corbin are having terrible years. Nationals have lost 8 of 9. Need a sweep.

[Namaste]

We’ll win 2 of 3 I believe

[fish16]

BA updated their top 30 marlins prospect list. The guy we took 6th overall less than a year ago is no longer in our top 10, and deservedly so cause he stinks. Xavier Edwards up to 8. Victor Mesa up to 6. Top 10 is Eury, Meyer, Eder, Watson, Cappe, Mesa, Fulton, Edwards, Nunez, and Groshans. Berry is 12. A bunch of new names added to the 10-30 portion. A ton of young IFA guys.

[lou]

I forgot about Ramon Laureano, still mashing lefties with solid defense. Perfect guy for Jazz and Sanchez. Cheaper than Grichuk with control years. Another name if they bail on Garcia.

Garcia's .915 OPS vs LHP in 2021 and career .815 OPS vs LHP makes me angry. He's done like a .525 OPS for the Marlins against lefties.

[fish16]

eury doing what he is doing at 20 years old is ridiculously impressive. They need to try to sign him to a contract this offseason. Give the guy 10-13 years and see if he will sign it. His numbers are better than jose's through 7 starts.

[Nick]

Just do it right now. 9 years/$100 million and then tell him we're going to take it easy on you the rest of the year 1. To protect our investment 2. To make sure you're available for the postseason. Boom done, no need for the awkward minor league decision.

[sports24/7]

I don't think this is the right analysis. Already mentioned this, but he probably should be throwing 110-120 IP overall this year (which leaves a light reserve for a playoff run). He's at 66 right now after this last start.

On a big picture level, he probably has twelve or thirteen 4 inning appearances left this season which we can do the math gets to that rough range. Throwing him more innings is just going to decrease the appearances there or get him shut down in September. There are 18 more runs through the rotation. So they need to skip him as-is right now 5 or 6 times.

They can't really just completely shut down his arm for a month (so I think???), or just let him rip and call it a day in September and not have him for a playoff series (the worst idea if they are contending???). So I do think a smart move would be to probably send him down for three separate 10+ day periods to effectively "skip" a start or two and then use your 6 man rotation to go through two cycles. And then Eury pops back for a few starts and do it again.


Something like this maybe

Down 2 cycles right now missing 2 turns through

3 starts (he gets Boston, STL, and Philly the day before ASB) - 12 innings

Down for ASB and 2 cycles through, coming back up for...

4 starts (he starts Detroit series 7/28 weekend, then get Philly, Cincy, and Hou) - 16 innings

Down for 2 cycles

Called back September 1st (roster expansion) and this ends. He gets five 4 inning appearances in September with..... 20 innings......

114 innings thrown with some limited playoff innings inventory left.


Not going to lie, there is a service time consideration here as this knocks him out of a Super2 probably also as I'm generously using the ASB break here and then punting to roster expansions. But they have to do this for the innings, and also he looks so good at this age a buyout is likely coming fast (right?) so the super2 status may not matter as much.



We can hate this because Eury is good, BUT this makes sense because they can't just churn him hard right now. He'll be done mid-August. I do think the innings are more important than the time, and I'd say sending him down does mean they believe they can play in October as a counterpoint for these reasons above. This saves the guy for contending.

Sending him down to save his innings count is different than manipulating his service time. If it's really about the former, I can get on board with that. If it's about the latter, I can't. They should be looking to give him a Braves deal anyway.

[Nick]

Is it even legal to send him down, have him not pitch in the minors, then bring him back? Seems like more teams would be using that to circumvent service time issues if it were.

[sports24/7]

Is it even legal to send him down, have him not pitch in the minors, then bring him back? Seems like more teams would be using that to circumvent service time issues if it were.

I thought I read something about them being able to pitch him more infrequently if they sent him down, not just shut him down.

[Todd]

This is where a healthy Meyer would be good or even Fitterer.

Six man rotation with them alternating the 6th start and being the last arms in the bullpen when not their turn through the rotation.

[fish16]

I thought I read something about them being able to pitch him more infrequently if they sent him down, not just shut him down.

i believe that is what would happen, and quite frankly it would suck for eury because he is pitching so well and has shown no signs of fatigue, but the right thing to do is either move him to the pen in a month or so or send him down and skip him every other time in the rotation for a month so he can pitch later in the year. I do hope that the 120 innings limit isnt a full on shut him down type of limit. If he looks ok and feels ok, just move him to the bullpen and let him pitch in a late inning role. I hate hard innings limits if the guy is still pitching well and isnt fatigued or having any physical issues.

[fish16]

How BA can put some of these 17-18 year old dominican guys in our top 30 is beyond me. BA's updated list has a guy named Jhon Cabral at 23 in our system. he is 17, and in his career has pitched 25 innings, has a 9.47 ERA, and 38 walks to 18 k's.

[lou]

This is where a healthy Meyer would be good or even Fitterer.

Six man rotation with them alternating the 6th start and being the last arms in the bullpen when not their turn through the rotation.

YES. Add Bender too. The team needs another 75 innings and Meyer would easily do that. If not Bender.


We're counting on Hoeing + Eder for those right now, or a miracle, or a trade

[lou]

Is it even legal to send him down, have him not pitch in the minors, then bring him back? Seems like more teams would be using that to circumvent service time issues if it were.

Intentional service time manipulation would be a potential issue. But this whole "keep his innings down for October" thing is a 100% winning argument.

I think the Marlins easily prevail here in a super 2 dispute.


That being said, I am 99% confident he gets a Hunter Greene deal


Hunter Greene rhp
6 years/$53M (2023-28), plus 2029 option

• 6 years/$53M (2023-28), plus 2029 club option
  • signed extension with Cincinnati 4/18/23, replacing contract signed 3/23 for 1 year, $730,000 ($350,000 in minors)
  • $2M signing bonus
  • 23:$1M, 24:$3M, 25:$6M, 26:$8M, 27:$15M, 28:$16M, 29:$21M club option ($2M buyout)
  • 2028 salary and 2029 options increase based on awards:
    • $200,000 each for All Star election/selection, $2M for Cy Young ($1M for second or third place in vote, $750,000 for fourth or fifth place, $500,000 for sixth-10th place)
  • award bonuses: $250,000 each for Cy Young, MVP ($150,000 for second or third place in vote), $100,000 for fourth or fifth). $100,000 each for All Star, Gold Glove, WS MVP, LCS MVP
• 1 year/$700,000 (2022)
  • contract selected by Cincinnati 11/19/21
  • re-signed by Cincinnati 3/22

Eury gonna get paid extremely similar to that.

[lou]

Sending him down to save his innings count is different than manipulating his service time. If it's really about the former, I can get on board with that. If it's about the latter, I can't. They should be looking to give him a Braves deal anyway.

It's the former, but they can do both at the same time.


See Greene deal. That is coming for sure. They can't afford NOT to do it.