2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Nick]

Remember Josias Manzanillo? The guy who would constantly bang on his cup, and then when he would get a 3rd out he would sprint off the mound into the dugout at about 100 mph. Apparently the cup thing was because he once took a Manny Ramirez line drive in the nards.

[fish16]

Remember Josias Manzanillo? The guy who would constantly bang on his cup, and then when he would get a 3rd out he would sprint off the mound into the dugout at about 100 mph. Apparently the cup thing was because he once took a Manny Ramirez line drive in the nards.

who could forget marlins legend manzanillo? Bullpen arms and bench bats are especially fun. Clay Hensley, Renyel Pinto, justin miller, the artist formerly known as leo nunez, mike mordecai is a legit marlins legend due to 1 AB, scott olsen, joe nelson, paul hoover, logan kensing, john baker was a legit good catcher, kiko calero, brian sanches, ronny paulino's steroid riddled body, wes helms, and then who can forget marlins legend jorge julio. so many great/absolutely awful names over the years.

[Nick]

I remember post-2003 World Series us forum-rats used to obsess about Josh Willingham and his minor league numbers. He ended up having a pretty good career, .823 career OPS, but it was also an incredibly short career, only 9 years total. I can't help but wonder how much money the Marlins FO cost that guy keeping him in the minors for so long and foolishly trying to make him a catcher. I think he's a much more remembered player in the overall MLB-scheme of things if the Marlins FO had handled him competently.

[fish16]

I remember post-2003 World Series us forum-rats used to obsess about Josh Willingham and his minor league numbers. He ended up having a pretty good career, .823 career OPS, but it was also an incredibly short career, only 9 years total. I can't help but wonder how much money the Marlins FO cost that guy keeping him in the minors for so long and foolishly trying to make him a catcher. I think he's a much more remembered player in the overall MLB-scheme of things if the Marlins FO had handled him competently.

They did keep him in the minors a long time but he also retired on his own volition relatively young when he had several offers to play a few more years.

[tjfla]

Good stuff. If you include Burdick and Jerar, I think you gotta include Scott and Misner. Especially Misner, his raw tools are off the charts.

Super Dark Horse for the top 100 in 2021: Victor Mesa Jr. - Very curious to see if they would dare start him at Clinton this year. Will be 18 for the entirety of the 2020 season.

Both Misner and Mesa Jr are interesting. Misner has tools but no real position yet IF he shows power and can play CF in Jupiter he will be moving up fast

Mesa Jr's issue is the Clinton team. They have NO spots open in OF for the first few months and then the draft

LF-Davis Bradshaw/Albert Guaimaro
CF-JD Orr/Milton Smith
RF-Lorenzo Hampton/Troy Johnston

Maybe Dalvy(2B?CF?),Tevin Mitchell(UT)

Yes Mesa Jr is probably better than most of them but they wanna see if any of them can stick before they release them or make them backup. More than likely they just keep him in Batavia all year

We have big OF crunch actually

Clinton
LF-Bradshaw/Guaimaro/Mitchell
CF-Orr/Smith/Dalvy
RF-Hampton/Johnston

Jupiter
LF-Connor Scott
CF-Misner/Thomas Jones
RF-Burdick/Pompey

Gonna be interesting to see what Denbo does with minors actually. Lots of "older" types(Bats and Arms) who could be moved up to the right level and be tested which would open up spots for the younger guys in Clinton

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It's hard for me to get behind raw power guys unless they have something else going for them - premium defense, exceptional BB rate, etc. I also don't think relievers should ever really make a top 100 list, unless it's literally a Rivera/Chapman comp.

Also to note, Scott (and Devers) weren't eligible for this list as they were on it last year. Scott may be in the same category.

If I had to guess, the Marlins 2021 top 100 prospects are (I'm expecting graduations for Sixto, Cabrera, Monte, Lewin, Neidert, and Guzman):

Bleday
Jazz
2020 # 3 pick (Hancock/Gonzalez/Tork)
Sanchez (I don't think he graduates and they take it slow with him)
Garrett

I think Scott, Misner, and Rogers may be the only guys able to break through. Maybe they get lucky with a IFA or their second pick in the draft. I'd be floored if Burdick or Jerar shoot up that much.

Graduations from Top Prospects will be Isan,Sharp,Dugger,1 or 2 of Sixto,Cabrera,Neidert,Guzman and maybe Lewin. Should have 3-5 guys off but adding Yiddi Cappe,#3 Pick and 3 or 4 other high picks. As for Top 100 thats the list I would go with too. Something to watch for us is some of the arms in the lower minors

Ya raw power isn't something I get behind either. See Sean Reynolds but IF u show power in Jupiter people do take notice. If Burdick hits 15 HR in Jupiter he would shoot up every board. Only RP who should make Top 200 list are projected CL in Majors

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No. I think Cabrera is coming up and throwing bullets in July/Aug.

I think Sanchez is going to come up post super-2 2021, and they are going to roll with Dickerson-Monte-Anderson (Villar 3B) for this year once Monte is up, with Ramirez/Brinson getting some real playing time to see if they are anything. Maybe this is May 2021 if he's really good and screw the super 2 status.

All the reports say Sanchez is really raw and needs some time. I'm expecting them to work on his swing. He's really young and has 2 option years. They can wait on him this year.

Monte and Lewin are 2 closest to Majors in their eyes. Jesus is VERY raw and they do plan on going slow with him. Don't forget he is 22 ALL year

I could see Cabrera up but looks like the pecking order is Duggar,Neidert before June then after its gonna depend on innings and need. Could be Sixto,Cabrera,Guzman up at anytime. Just remember they already have 8 SP(Caleb,Sandy,Pablo,Urena,Yamamoto,Elieser,Duggar ,Neidert) so they arent gonna force the young guys up

[Nick]

None of those guys you listed at Clinton are legit prospects. (I'm curious to see how J.D. Orr does, though) If they think VM Jr. can handle the jump he should be there. We'll see.

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Even though he didn't really earn the promotion, I could see Pompey getting the call to AA, maybe play 1st base, to make sure he gets every day ABs.

[Lee Stone]

Where do you folks stand on the Astros cheating situation? With regard to the 2017 pennant, I'd say delete it from the record book. With regard to the near $440,000 Astro player bonuses, I'd say forfeit those too. Take back the rings and sell them on EBay. MLB can give all the money to a worthy charity ... like minor league baseball.

[Namaste]

I think the draft punishments should have been steeper.

[tjfla]

I think the draft punishments should have been steeper.

I think the draft punishments should have been steeper.

Draft punishments were actually kinda steep since they lost about 3-4 million from pool(Houston could have like 2.5 million for the WHOLE draft while Miami has 7.5 milllion for #3 pick alone) which means not only do they lose 1st and 2nd Rd Picks but now they pretty much cant take shots at talent later in the draft which is the real killer for teams. Remember the old Jeff Loria 23yr old RP from Rd 12-31 drafts when other teams would be taking guys with talent this is pretty much what Houston will have to do now

The biggest joke was they took NO cash away from IFA Cash which means they pretty much can just sign a 1st Rd pick(which they did already) they signed Pedro Leon(Cuba for 4 million)

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...ban-pedro-leon

Then in 2021 they can just do the same thing

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None of those guys you listed at Clinton are legit prospects. (I'm curious to see how J.D. Orr does, though) If they think VM Jr. can handle the jump he should be there. We'll see.

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Even though he didn't really earn the promotion, I could see Pompey getting the call to AA, maybe play 1st base, to make sure he gets every day ABs.

Thing is all the guys have at least 1 plus tool which means they will get a look

Bradshaw/Johnston-Hit tool
Hampton-Power tool
Orr/Smith-Hit/Speed

Actually 1B is full in the system

AAA-Lewin
AA-Alonso
Hi A-Edwards/Hollins/Ready
Lo A-Infante/Reynolds

They need OF/1B/DH in Jax so someone who is older could could get moved up-Pompey/Misner or even Johnston/Orr

[Nick]

Alonso is non-prospect at this point.

[Lee Stone]

Alonso is non-prospect at this point.

As are Infante, Hollins, Reynolds and likely Ready

[Erick]

They should try Matt Joyce at 1B. If Kemp is trying it, why not Joyce? Right now, all of our 1B options for Opening Day are right-handed.

[tjfla]

They should try Matt Joyce at 1B. If Kemp is trying it, why not Joyce? Right now, all of our 1B options for Opening Day are right-handed.

More than likely they will depending on lineups

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As are Infante, Hollins, Reynolds and likely Ready

True but u need someone to play 1B in Clinton,they arent gonna move Pompey or Misner down a level just to play it and Hollins is a solid backup 1B/3B option

As for Ready he probably gets the Starting 3B job in Jupiter. If he shows power and the hit tool there he is a prospect

[fauowls44]

Jordan McPherson
@J_McPherson1126
#Marlins manager Don Mattingly said Jonathan Villar will start camp working in center field. He'll still get infield reps, but team hopes CF works out. They have backup plans if it doesn't.
1:50 PM · Feb 17, 2020·TweetDeck

[Nick]

Jordan McPherson
@J_McPherson1126
#Marlins manager Don Mattingly said Jonathan Villar will start camp working in center field. He'll still get infield reps, but team hopes CF works out. They have backup plans if it doesn't.
1:50 PM · Feb 17, 2020·TweetDeck