2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[tjfla]

That's exactly what I would do, but I'd say trade out Urena/Yamamoto/Hernandez/Dugger/Holloway/Mejia for an equal value guy not 40 man eligible for that lefty spot, versus get rid of an OF.

Perfect world they would trade Urena for non 40 man arm and some IFA $ but they havent got that offer yet

They are dying to sign some Milb arms just arent the top choice yet for these vets. Its like Phelps-they wanted him bad but he held out for ML deal for a contender and got it. Closer it gets to ST better chance they get especially when they tell them they got a BP spot open

[Lee Stone]

Personally, I wouldn't move Urena when his value is so low coming off last season. Just as you would allow Conley to take a bullpen spot in hope of improvement, I would go with Urena at the back end of the rotation. Both of these guys have premium velocity and control issues.

[tjfla]

Personally, I wouldn't move Urena when his value is so low coming off last season. Just as you would allow Conley to take a bullpen spot in hope of improvement, I would go with Urena at the back end of the rotation. Both of these guys have premium velocity and control issues.

Urena actually has value especially since some teams see him as a SP and others as a RP. Issue is teams know we wanna trade him so we havent gotten what we want for him

Conley- Right now u can get $250K IFA cash and at deadline at worse u can get 250K in IFA Cash

[Lee Stone]

C - Alfaro, Cervelli, Wallach (3)
1B - Aguilar, Cooper, L. Diaz (3)
2B - I. Diaz, Berti (2)
SS - Rojas, Jazz (2)
3B - Anderson (1)
CF - Villar, Sierra, Brinson, Monte (4)
OF - Dickerson, Ramirez, Joyce, J. Sanchez (4)
=19

SP - Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Yamamoto, E. Hernandez,, Dugger, Neidert, Sixto, E. Cabrera (9)
RP - Kintzler, Stanek, Y. Garcia, Urena, Steckenrider, Sharp, Brigham, Guzman, (8)
LP - Conley, Tarpley (2)

What's interesting about this list? Only one meaningful (impactful) player was a product of the Marlin system: Brian Anderson. Looks like a crappy expansion team.

[Nick]

What's interesting about this list? Only one meaningful (impactful) player was a product of the Marlin system: Brian Anderson. Looks like a crappy expansion team.

Have you heard of this guy named Jeff Loria?

We're going to be bad in 2020 Lee, we all know that, we're working towards something in 2021 and 2022, though. If you want to give any praise to the new regime it's at least we have a direction now, which wasn't the case for about 15 years.

[lou]

What's interesting about this list? Only one meaningful (impactful) player was a product of the Marlin system: Brian Anderson. Looks like a crappy expansion team.

I think there is nothing wrong with being opportunistic with trades, but yes, all of those guys are outsiders besides Anderson.

Also to note, that same Marlins system produced 7 of the best players in baseball - Yelich, Stanton, Ozuna, Realmuto, Fernandez, Castillo, and Hand - and there are plenty of other interesting guys (Paddack especially) around they were just extra dumb with.

See Nick's comment - "Loria"

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The new regime has done almost everything right on paper except one major glaring thing - Yelich trade. If I had to nitpick as to a second thing, Scott/Osiris seem a little lacking at the moment but it is the MLB draft and they are young/hurt so I can't fault them really.

Everything else you can evaluate as a smart move on paper. I'm all for a smart process as it will lead to results.

[Lee Stone]

I think there is nothing wrong with being opportunistic with trades, but yes, all of those guys are outsiders besides Anderson.

Also to note, that same Marlins system produced 7 of the best players in baseball - Yelich, Stanton, Ozuna, Realmuto, Fernandez, Castillo, and Hand - and there are plenty of other interesting guys (Paddack especially) around they were just extra dumb with.

See Nick's comment - "Loria"

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The new regime has done almost everything right on paper except one major glaring thing - Yelich trade. If I had to nitpick as to a second thing, Scott/Osiris seem a little lacking at the moment but it is the MLB draft and they are young/hurt so I can't fault them really.

Everything else you can evaluate as a smart move on paper. I'm all for a smart process as it will lead to results.

At least those players were drafted by the Loria regime, that's something. In three or four years, we'll see if the Jeter group was able to match that with their draft selections.

[Nick]

The new regime has done almost everything right on paper except one major glaring thing - Yelich trade. If I had to nitpick as to a second thing, Scott/Osiris seem a little lacking at the moment but it is the MLB draft and they are young/hurt so I can't fault them really.

Everything else you can evaluate as a smart move on paper. I'm all for a smart process as it will lead to results.

Only thing I'd add is I think they've missed an opportunity to improve some areas through addition of payroll. (obviously we're on the same page on this one lou, we've talked about it a million times) The farm system is good, but I think it could be even better with some strategic consumption of bad contracts. There have also been some small misfires like the Wittgren trade, not getting anything for guys you would think they should've been able to get at least something for. (Dietrich, Castro etc.) Overall I'm pretty pleased, though.

[rmc523]

If we have a trade in place for Jarlin, what's the purpose of DFA'ing him? Why not just make the trade then announce Joyce and Kintzler? Is there some kind of advantage to DFA'ing him first that I'm not aware of?

I was thinking the same thing. I guess some have said it puts a ticking clock on trades, but you also run the risk of losing the guy for nothing if teams hold out and don't trade.

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Oh by the way, I don't know if it was posted here. Joyce's deal is a major league deal for $1.5M plus $250k in incentives.

[Nick]

I was thinking the same thing. I guess some have said it puts a ticking clock on trades, but you also run the risk of losing the guy for nothing if teams hold out and don't trade.

The only thing I can think of is they have more than one team in mind that they know will make a claim for Garcia, and this is a way to artificially induce a bidding war. I'm not sure how often that's going to work, but it seems like it worked with Dean, so we'll see.

[tjfla]

I think there is nothing wrong with being opportunistic with trades, but yes, all of those guys are outsiders besides Anderson.

Also to note, that same Marlins system produced 7 of the best players in baseball - Yelich, Stanton, Ozuna, Realmuto, Fernandez, Castillo, and Hand - and there are plenty of other interesting guys (Paddack especially) around they were just extra dumb with.

See Nick's comment - "Loria"

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The new regime has done almost everything right on paper except one major glaring thing - Yelich trade. If I had to nitpick as to a second thing, Scott/Osiris seem a little lacking at the moment but it is the MLB draft and they are young/hurt so I can't fault them really.

Everything else you can evaluate as a smart move on paper. I'm all for a smart process as it will lead to results.

Scott was picked cause of projection. Prolly should have taken Liberatore or Gorman but I would wait for few more years. As for Osiris dont forget Minnesota was thinking about taking him in Rd 1 and would have in Rd 2 so talent is there. He will be 19 all year

[lou]

I was thinking the same thing. I guess some have said it puts a ticking clock on trades, but you also run the risk of losing the guy for nothing if teams hold out and don't trade.

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Oh by the way, I don't know if it was posted here. Joyce's deal is a major league deal for $1.5M plus $250k in incentives.

I believe if there is no claim, they clear to AAA as neither has over 3 years of service time, and, they have not been outright designated before.

[tjfla]

The only thing I can think of is they have more than one team in mind that they know will make a claim for Garcia, and this is a way to artificially induce a bidding war. I'm not sure how often that's going to work, but it seems like it worked with Dean, so we'll see.

Well have a few teams interested in him. The DFA makes teams who were on the fence make a decision. If they like him make a bid and if not u tell the few teams that were interested they got a better offer and u want a better prospect.

FG40 guy who doesnt need to be on 40 man till 2021 or later

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I believe if there is no claim, they clear to AAA as neither has over 3 years of service time, and, they have not been outright designated before.

Ya I know Quijada goes to AAA if unclaimed not sure about Jarlin

Someone will take a shot on Quijada. LAA or Washington-he has options and throws hard

[lou]

I just checked, Garcia has never been designated, just optioned.

I mean there is a 100% shot Garcia is claimed so he'll be traded just like Dean/Keller/Brice.

Quijada I can see a trade or AAA.

Anyways. Just saying, they aren't losing either of these guys for nothing.

[tjfla]

I just checked, Garcia has never been designated, just optioned.

I mean there is a 100% shot Garcia is claimed so he'll be traded just like Dean/Keller/Brice.

Quijada I can see a trade or AAA.

Anyways. Just saying, they aren't losing either of these guys for nothing.

That is true. No chance Jarlin makes it thru

If Quijada passes I am fine keeping him in AAA but wouldnt cry if claimed and traded for some 17 yr old DSL guy