2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[fish16]

If Brinson does well in spring training again, I say give him a shot - his LAST shot. And, they need to put him in a place to succeed, not stuck in the 8th spot in front of the pitcher. If he still doesn't do well, dump him.

completely agree with this. He hasnt been good regardless, but to me it seems like we've put him in the worst possible situations time and time again. Put him 5th or 6th in the lineup for a month, see what happens, and then make a decision in mid may or so.

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Sierra is out of options and Brinson is not, correct?

that's a lou question. I'm pretty sure brinson is not out of options but I thought sierra wasnt either. But lou could give us that answer.

[Nick]

I know Sierra is out of options, lou and I have discussed this, but not sure about Brinson. I want to say he has options left. If that's the case, I think you gotta give Sierra a huge advantage in a potential spring training battle, and I don't really see the point of having both guys on the roster. Splitting time between them does neither guy any favors, so if you don't do that, 1 guy is the starter and the other is pretty much designated pinch-runner/defensive replacement, which makes no sense for Brinson, just send him down and let him get ABs in AAA. So unless Brinson goes absolutely nuts in Spring Training and Sierra looks completely inept it doesn't make sense to me that Brinson makes the Opening Day Roster.

[Lee Stone]

162 Games in a season x 2 ABs/Game = 324 AB

Jon Berti had 256 ABs last season.

The point here was would a team of all Bertis be vastly better than the 2019 Marlins. All Bertis would mean all the plate appearances (save for the those by pitchers) or roughly 36 per game. The all Berti team would have a .348 OBP, second in all of baseball. They'd also be the fastest team in the majors by a mile. Let it rest at that.

[fish16]

IDK if it has been mentioned here but mlb.com is unveiling their top 10 lists at every position before they do their top 100 list and then each teams top 30. So far, they have Sixto as the #5 RHP prospect and Lewin Diaz as the #6 1B prospect in the league. Their top 100 list comes out saturday and i'd expect at least 5-7 guys on there in Sixto, Bleday, Sanchez, Chisholm, and Cabrera and then borderline guys in Monte (probably unlikely after an injury plagued year), Neidert, Garrett, and Rogers. I doubt any of them make the list but most of them should be in the next 20 or so after the top 100.

[lou]

I know Sierra is out of options, lou and I have discussed this, but not sure about Brinson. I want to say he has options left. If that's the case, I think you gotta give Sierra a huge advantage in a potential spring training battle, and I don't really see the point of having both guys on the roster. Splitting time between them does neither guy any favors, so if you don't do that, 1 guy is the starter and the other is pretty much designated pinch-runner/defensive replacement, which makes no sense for Brinson, just send him down and let him get ABs in AAA. So unless Brinson goes absolutely nuts in Spring Training and Sierra looks completely inept it doesn't make sense to me that Brinson makes the Opening Day Roster.

I've been gone a week so I need to catch up, but Brinson has an option. Currently, it's him vs Wallach for the last spot on the roster. Berti is a lock. Not sure why fish16 is dragging him. He's earned it.

Alfaro, Cervelli
Aguilar, Cooper
Isan
Rojas, Berti
Villar
Dickerson, Ramirez
Sierra
Anderson
13th bat - Brinson or Wallach, so Brinson as why are you carrying 3 catchers but only 1 true CF?

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They don't have other guys on the 40 man and aren't going to shed their pitchers to open space. That's the lineup. It's set.

Maybe Brinson is so bad he is DFA'd and a veteran CF is brought in (Maybin type, etc.), but I suspect this organization is going to let Brinson, Sierra, Ramirez, and Berti suck it up for 2 1/2 months, as if any of them are viable longterm bench (or better) players, they need to find that out. Who cares if they stink. Worst case scenario you're moving Villar to CF, Anderson to 3B, and Cooper to RF, and that's a playable starting lineup with a skeptical bench for 2 1/2 months.

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Sierra is out of options and Brinson is not, correct?

I covered this above, but yes

[Lee Stone]

I have read in a couple places that Aguilar is no cinch to make the team. If the Marlins cut him by the end of spring training, he will be owed for just 45 days of time. Just something to keep in mind. He had an OPS+ of 87 last season, compared to 98 for Neil Walker. A healthy Garrett Cooper is a far more productive bat and glove at first base. (I have no idea why Aguilar was signed at all ... other than doubts about Cooper's health. )

If I'm putting Brinson in a place to succeed, that would be Wichita. I'd seriously consider bringing Maybin back on a one year deal to play CF.

Diaz needs to win the 2B job in the spring, I would think. Villar can certainly play there.

[lou]

If Brinson does well in spring training again, I say give him a shot - his LAST shot. And, they need to put him in a place to succeed, not stuck in the 8th spot in front of the pitcher. If he still doesn't do well, dump him.

I agree. I'd like to see the lineup be something like this.

vs RHP
3B Villar
2B Isan <- Set him up to succeed too
RF Anderson
LF Dickerson
CF Brinson < - Anything more is ridiculous, but this gives him a chance
1B Aguilar/Cooper
C Alfaro
SS Rojas

vs LHP
3B Villar
2B Berti
RF Anderson
1B Cooper
CF Brinson
LF Ramirez
C Alfaro
SS Rojas

[Nick]

I have read in a couple places that Aguilar is no cinch to make the team. If the Marlins cut him by the end of spring training, he will be owed for just 45 days of time. Just something to keep in mind. He had an OPS+ of 87 last season, compared to 98 for Neil Walker. A healthy Garrett Cooper is a far more productive bat and glove at first base. (I have no idea why Aguilar was signed at all ... other than doubts about Cooper's health. )

If I'm putting Brinson in a place to succeed, that would be Wichita.

He was brought in to see if he could return to 2018 form. If we had acquired him after the 2018 season you would've thrown a party, but putting up an .890 OPS does not mean you'll maintain it for the rest of your career. Much like having a season where you put up a .714 OPS doesn't mean you can't bounce back the next year. There's more to player evaluation then what you've done for me lately.

[fish16]

I actually think there is a pretty good chance aguilar doesnt last with the team past may. He will make the team but i would not be surprised at all to see him struggle and get DFA'd pretty soon into the year.

[lou]

He was brought in to see if he could return to 2018 form. If we had acquired him after the 2018 season you would've thrown a party, but putting up an .890 OPS does not mean you'll maintain it for the rest of your career. Much like having a season where you put up a .714 OPS doesn't mean you can't bounce back the next year. There's more to player evaluation then what you've done for me lately.

Don't forget the .272 BABIP, BB rate increase, and K rate decrease. Lee loves the Rays, and they traded for him which speaks volumes of what the underlying stats say. It's not his fault they are loaded with Choi, Lowe, and obviously had plans to get Martinez from STL.

He's a career .805 OPS hitter. All he needs to do is that vs RHP and he becomes another "Alex Vesia" at the deadline and Lee will be thrilled about acquiring more hope and prayer top prospects for his list.

[Nick]

I do agree that he'll be on a short-leash, though. He needs to hit right away or he's going to lose PT and eventually probably get DFA'd.

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I do agree that he'll be on a short-leash, though. He needs to hit right away or he's going to lose PT and eventually probably get DFA'd.

Then again I also thought this about Granderson and he ended up with 300+ ABs. So who knows.

[lou]

I do agree that he'll be on a short-leash, though. He needs to hit right away or he's going to lose PT and eventually probably get DFA'd.

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Then again I also thought this about Granderson and he ended up with 300+ ABs. So who knows.

They have team control over Aguilar for 21 and 22. I think he's going to have a pretty long leash as you can already tell their idea is to have Lewin paired with Aguilar or Cooper. Which makes a lot of sense on paper.

I think there is a better shot he is DFA'd in spring training Straily-style then anytime April-July basically.

[Nick]

Unless Villar is somehow able to pull off every day CF duties, which opens up a corner OF spot to Cooper, both guys aren't going to be playing. The plan has got to be to determine which of Aguilar and Cooper is the guy you want to pair with Lewin, who could be ready by August. If Cooper immediately separates himself from Aguilar, I don't see much of a role for Aguilar on this team other than him being there when Cooper eventually injures himself again. lol

[lou]

Unless Villar is somehow able to pull off every day CF duties, which opens up a corner OF spot to Cooper, both guys aren't going to be playing. The plan has got to be to determine which of Aguilar and Cooper is the guy you want to pair with Lewin, who could be ready by August. If Cooper immediately separates himself from Aguilar, I don't see much of a role for Aguilar on this team other than him being there when Cooper eventually injures himself again. lol

Pretty much. Also let's think about this from a different perspective.

Cervelli, Aguilar/Cooper, Berti, Ramirez, and Sierra(defense) is a potentially great bench.

The CF starter (brinson) might be the worst overall starter in MLB which radically negates that, but Monte could help quickly and all of a sudden, the team ain't so bad!

Let's pray Villar (or Berti) can handle CF and they match last year's offense.

[Lee Stone]

Unless Villar is somehow able to pull off every day CF duties, which opens up a corner OF spot to Cooper, both guys aren't going to be playing. The plan has got to be to determine which of Aguilar and Cooper is the guy you want to pair with Lewin, who could be ready by August. If Cooper immediately separates himself from Aguilar, I don't see much of a role for Aguilar on this team other than him being there when Cooper eventually injures himself again. lol

Aguilar's "running" speed from home to first was close to five seconds last season. That's brutal.