2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[tjfla]

What exactly is the point if dfa urena until you absolutely need to? The guy isn’t a front line starter but he has been a decent back end innings eater for years at this point. Let him pitch in the rotation till one of the prospects is ready and then deal him for a lower level prospect when that time comes.

Conley they fucked up not trading two years ago along with stecienrider but same thing with him. Why dfa him now rather than just waiting till the end of spring and seeing if he makes the team and if not deal him for whatever you can get as well. Doing it in January makes no sense to me, especially for urena

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And again, who are the 5 starters of urena isn’t there to start the year? Smith, Sandy, Lopez, Yamamoto, and elieser or neidert? Just keep urena at least thru spring, then at worst just deal him at that point cause you know a team would be willing to put him in their rotation

Well if u DFA him then teams will make offers(See Austin Dean) right now teams on nibbling on him but no one is willing to trade a Top 20 prospect because lots of other options out there. As soon as u DFA a guy teams have 7 days to make a solid offer if they want him

Teams have called on Conley/Urena but arent doing deals cause other guys still on the market but if they are DFA the teams who have called have to do something

What u guys don't realize is that just like Brice/Keller/Dean-Conley and Urena are NOT in the 2021 plans which means they trade them NOW for something then sign a Strop and Phelps. U can trade them for more prospects eventually. This is reason they picked up Villar and even Cervelli-u try to extend Villar and if not u trade him for prospects. If Cervelli is over concussions u trade him at deadline for prospects to a team who needs a C

This is the last year they can just add talent so anyone NOT in 2021 plans SEE YA

Starters
Caleb
Sandy
Pablo
Jordan
Elieser/Josh Smith for few months than Neidert?Sixto?Cabrera?

[fish16]

I wouldn’t put Yamamoto in that category of elieser and dugger. His peripherals and spin rate put him a step above those guys. Elieser to me is a perfect relief option moving forward and I’d give him this year to try to get comfortable in that role.

Dugger doesn’t really have much of anything so I wouldn’t be upset losing him but I don’t think it’s all that necessary to dfa any of these guys right now. If you want to sign a reliever just get rid of Wallach. I highly doubt any team claims him and he is incredibly replaceable if they do

[Nick]

Teams absolutely care if you are 12-1 in low a if you only throw 88. Without having hope for an increased velocity for whatever reason in the future then that is a non prospect

Not sure if that's the case with Palacios, though. Last year he was 18 years old and listed at 6'2" 160. If anybody is the candidate for a velocity bump, it's that kind of body type and age.

[fish16]

Well if u DFA him then teams will make offers(See Austin Dean) right now teams on nibbling on him but no one is willing to trade a Top 20 prospect because lots of other options out there. As soon as u DFA a guy teams have 7 days to make a solid offer if they want him

Teams have called on Conley/Urena but arent doing deals cause other guys still on the market but if they are DFA the teams who have called have to do something

What u guys don't realize is that just like Brice/Keller/Dean-Conley and Urena are NOT in the 2021 plans which means they trade them NOW for something then sign a Strop and Phelps. U can trade them for more prospects eventually. This is reason they picked up Villar and even Cervelli-u try to extend Villar and if not u trade him for prospects. If Cervelli is over concussions u trade him at deadline for prospects to a team who needs a C

This is the last year they can just add talent so anyone NOT in 2021 plans SEE YA

Starters
Caleb
Sandy
Pablo
Jordan
Elieser/Josh Smith for few months than Neidert?Sixto?Cabrera?

That is some awful negotiating you’d be doing. The only team that puts pressure on is the marlins to find a suitable offer for two guys coming off awful years at their lowest value

[tjfla]

I wouldn’t put Yamamoto in that category of elieser and dugger. His peripherals and spin rate put him a step above those guys. Elieser to me is a perfect relief option moving forward and I’d give him this year to try to get comfortable in that role.

Dugger doesn’t really have much of anything so I wouldn’t be upset losing him but I don’t think it’s all that necessary to dfa any of these guys right now. If you want to sign a reliever just get rid of Wallach. I highly doubt any team claims him and he is incredibly replaceable if they do

Thats what I would have done DFA Wallach and if claimed o well u just sign a Sucre to AAA. Reason they DFA Dean instead is #1 he was NOT in 2021 plans so they tried to get something for him and #2 They like Wallach

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That is some awful negotiating you’d be doing. The only team that puts pressure on is the marlins to find a suitable offer for two guys coming off awful years at their lowest value

U wouldnt take Diowill Burgos for Urena or Conley?

[fish16]

Not sure if that's the case with Palacios, though. Last year he was 18 years old and listed at 6'2" 160. If anybody is the candidate for a velocity bump, it's that kind of body type and age.

I understand that, that’s one of the reasons I was referring to. My issue was with tj saying teams could care less about velocity if you put up those numbers in low a ball.

[tjfla]

Not sure if that's the case with Palacios, though. Last year he was 18 years old and listed at 6'2" 160. If anybody is the candidate for a velocity bump, it's that kind of body type and age.

Bingo the kid is 19. If he was 23/24 its a different story but pretty much a College freshman

[fish16]

Thats what I would have done DFA Wallach and if claimed o well u just sign a Sucre to AAA. Reason they DFA Dean instead is #1 he was NOT in 2021 plans so they tried to get something for him and #2 They like Wallach

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U wouldnt take Diowill Burgos for Urena or Conley?

I would, but you could get more for especially urena at the end of spring training when teams are looking to fill out their roster. Dfa’ing him now just puts pressure on you to find that type of deal within 7 days when his value is at its lowest it’s ever been. He’s been a decent back end starter for years now, let him start the year in the rotation and then find a deal for him before we get the next wave of prospects coming up mid season

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Also if the plan is to get rid of guys not in the future plans what sense does it make to trade urena at his lowest value just to sign a one year stop gap reliever like Phelps, who id like, but at the expense of a guy like wallach, not a guy like urena with a. Decent track record who can be a valuable back end starter for a team for a year or two

[tjfla]

I understand that, that’s one of the reasons I was referring to. My issue was with tj saying teams could care less about velocity if you put up those numbers in low a ball.

They don't. Teams love velocity but teams also love soft tossing lefties with control. Jason Vargas is around. Buerhle threw 86-88. Kuechel throws 89

[fish16]

They don't. Teams love velocity but teams also love soft tossing lefties with control. Jason Vargas is around. Buerhle threw 86-88. Kuechel throws 89

Those are some pretty extreme outliers. Justin Nicolino was also a soft tossing lefty as were a ton of other guys who couldn’t stick around because they couldn’t miss bats

[tjfla]

I would, but you could get more for especially urena at the end of spring training when teams are looking to fill out their roster. Dfa’ing him now just puts pressure on you to find that type of deal within 7 days when his value is at its lowest it’s ever been. He’s been a decent back end starter for years now, let him start the year in the rotation and then find a deal for him before we get the next wave of prospects coming up mid season

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Also if the plan is to get rid of guys not in the future plans what sense does it make to trade urena at his lowest value just to sign a one year stop gap reliever like Phelps, who id like, but at the expense of a guy like wallach, not a guy like urena with a. Decent track record who can be a valuable back end starter for a team for a year or two

Im talking about Urena DFA or traded in ST. Conley is the guy I think gets DFA if we sign Strop.

I think Urena lasts till ST then gets DFA or traded and a Phelps/Ryan Cook/other arm gets added. I just mentioned them both just like I keep hearing Garrett Cooper is in danger of leaving too. He has 2 options left but if Matt Kemp shows stuff in ST he could get call up

[rmc523]

I wouldn’t sign Strop to DFA Urena or Conley. Why not hope for a Conley bounce back or for Urena to transition well out of the pen?

I don’t mind Strop, but I don’t see the point.

We've been waiting/hoping for a Conley bounceback for years now.

[tjfla]

Those are some pretty extreme outliers. Justin Nicolino was also a soft tossing lefty as were a ton of other guys who couldn’t stick around because they couldn’t miss bats

Very true but teams loved Nicolino for years. U dont think that if Palacios looks great again that a Baltimore/Det/KC wouldnt take a chance on him?

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We've been waiting/hoping for a Conley bounceback for years now.

They had Conley traded to Cubs at deadline LY until Cubs went for Wieck instead

[fish16]

Very true but teams loved Nicolino for years. U dont think that if Palacios looks great again that a Baltimore/Det/KC wouldnt take a chance on him?

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They had Conley traded to Cubs at deadline LY until Cubs went for Wieck instead

I’m sure they would but what exactly is the conversation here? He has great numbers yes but he’s 19 and hasn’t pitched above a ball and doesn’t throw hard at this point. If we lost him I wouldn’t be all that upset but sure of course a team would take a flier on him

[tjfla]

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