2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Nick]

Aguilar's "running" speed from home to first was close to five seconds last season. That's brutal.

He was not brought in for his running speed.

[tjfla]

U guys should be looking at arms since thats will be moving over next 2-3 weeks

We are the favorites for Strop right now(he is waiting for Texas or Cubs to up offer but as of now we are top team) and IF we sign him we have to DFA/trade Conley or Urena to make room

Trying to sign 3/4 Milb arms still with David Phelps,Tony Cingrani,Dominic Leone,Colin McHugh,Jason Vargas,Juan Minaya,Liriano and others as names they are looking/trying to get signed. They had offer to King Felix but he chose Atlanta

Issue we are having with ALL arms is #1 they all want to play for contenders and #2 we have told pretty much all of them that they likely won't be here in July IF they make the team. Most wanna know where they will be(family and all) and not wondering where the hell we are gonna send them come July

At least 1 of these guys will get a ML deal from us with others getting Milb deals

[Lee Stone]

Is there a single Marlin fan who wants to bring in a 35 year old reliever with diminishing velocity, coming off a 5 ERA season? To make matters worse, he wears his cap cockeyed, remniscent of Fernando Friggin' Rodney. Marlins should be looking to develop guys from their own system. (Although I very much liked the addition of Yimi Garcia from the Dodgers and see him as the prime closer candidate.)

Austin Brice was better than Strop in every way last season ... and we sent him packing.

[Nick]

Really the only reason to bring in a reliever at this point, in my mind, is if you think you'll be able to deal them for something at the deadline. Our Bullpen is going to be bad either way. My hope is that by the end of the year we have guys like Guzman and Vesia back there, guys like Hernandez and Yamamoto move permanently to the pen, and then it starts looking a little better.

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Out of that list, only Phelps or Strop should make the team if they sign them, but don't give them more than $1-$1.5 million.

[lou]

Really the only reason to bring in a reliever at this point, in my mind, is if you think you'll be able to deal them for something at the deadline. Our Bullpen is going to be bad either way. My hope is that by the end of the year we have guys like Guzman and Vesia back there, guys like Hernandez and Yamamoto move permanently to the pen, and then it starts looking a little better.

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Out of that list, only Phelps or Strop should make the team if they sign them, but don't give them more than $1-$1.5 million.

I kind of like:

Stanek, Steckenrider, Yimi, Brigham, Sharp (Hernandez/Dugger)
Garcia, Conley, Tarpley (Quijada)

There is some real upside there, even if no one is going to turn into an elite reliever. That's fine for right now with the other arms coming.

Brigham has an option so I wouldn't mind Brigham being sent down for one of them, but then you have a 40 man problem. Who goes?

Marlins 26/40 man rosters

C - Alfaro, Cervelli, Wallach (3)
1B - Aguilar, Cooper, L. Diaz (3)
2B - I. Diaz, Berti (2)
SS - Rojas, Jazz (2)
3B - Villar, Anderson (2)
CF - Sierra, Brinson, Monte (3)
OF - Dickerson, Ramirez, J. Sanchez (3)
=18

SP - Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Urena, Yamamoto, E. Hernandez, Dugger, Neidert, Sixto, E. Cabrera (10)
RP - Steckenrider, Stanek, Y. Garcia, Brigham, Sharp, Guzman (6)
LP - Garcia, Conley, Tarpley, Quijada (4)
Other - Holloway, Mejia (2 - likely non 2020 players)
=22

Total = 40

I assume that's Wallach and hope he clears, but they seem to like him. Also, they have no other bat to call up as I don't think Lewin/Jazz/Monte/Sanchez are earlier season call ups. You're praying for no injuries here. I don't see it.

I don't want to really jettison any arm. They all have a purpose and upside until July 31st.

Maybe Steckenrider goes on the 60 day DL?

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Also I wouldn't get your hopes up for Vesia this year.

They have a 40 man crunch and can carry him into next year off of it. I'm not sure 20+ innings this year is worth losing whoever next year's Holloway/Mejia/Dugger/Sharp is. Might as well preserve a player through an offseason.

But if he's awesome, circle April 15, 2021 on the calendar, which gets him under team control for 2027 even if he's a super 2.

[Nick]

If Vesia is in AAA with a 2 ERA, K'ing everybody all year and you're keeping him down you're doing him a disservice. This is a mid-60 wins type team next year, there are going to be guys that we'll be able to afford to jettison by the time the off-season rolls around in October. Hell there are at least 10 guys on the current 40-man that I pretty much guarantee won't be around for 2021.

[tjfla]

I kind of like:

Stanek, Steckenrider, Yimi, Brigham, Sharp (Hernandez/Dugger)
Garcia, Conley, Tarpley (Quijada)

There is some real upside there, even if no one is going to turn into an elite reliever. That's fine for right now with the other arms coming.

Brigham has an option so I wouldn't mind Brigham being sent down for one of them, but then you have a 40 man problem. Who goes?

Marlins 26/40 man rosters

C - Alfaro, Cervelli, Wallach (3)
1B - Aguilar, Cooper, L. Diaz (3)
2B - I. Diaz, Berti (2)
SS - Rojas, Jazz (2)
3B - Villar, Anderson (2)
CF - Sierra, Brinson, Monte (3)
OF - Dickerson, Ramirez, J. Sanchez (3)
=18

SP - Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Urena, Yamamoto, E. Hernandez, Dugger, Neidert, Sixto, E. Cabrera (10)
RP - Steckenrider, Stanek, Y. Garcia, Brigham, Sharp, Guzman (6)
LP - Garcia, Conley, Tarpley, Quijada (4)
Other - Holloway, Mejia (2 - likely non 2020 players)
=22

Total = 40

I assume that's Wallach and hope he clears, but they seem to like him. Also, they have no other bat to call up as I don't think Lewin/Jazz/Monte/Sanchez are earlier season call ups. You're praying for no injuries here. I don't see it.

I don't want to really jettison any arm. They all have a purpose and upside until July 31st.

Maybe Steckenrider goes on the 60 day DL?

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Also I wouldn't get your hopes up for Vesia this year.

They have a 40 man crunch and can carry him into next year off of it. I'm not sure 20+ innings this year is worth losing whoever next year's Holloway/Mejia/Dugger/Sharp is. Might as well preserve a player through an offseason.

But if he's awesome, circle April 15, 2021 on the calendar, which gets him under team control for 2027 even if he's a super 2.

I would DFA Wallach but hearing it likely Conley or Urena gone. In perfect world(FO) Conley and Urena would be traded sign Strop and then let Phelps/others battle out for another spot


They love Vesia but would u put him on 40 man and lose Soriano? Palacios? Will Stewart? He doesnt need to be on 40 man

This is what they have to think about over the next year-if a guy doesnt need to be on the 40 man they arent gonna just put him on it for 20 innings of work

[Nick]

They love Vesia but would u put him on 40 man and lose Soriano? Palacios? Will Stewart? He doesnt need to be on 40 man

Soriano and Will Stewart absolutely yes I would. We could've lost Stewart this year, right? And he wasn't selected. Jury's out on Palacios, we'll see what he does at Clinton next year.

[tjfla]

Soriano and Will Stewart absolutely yes I would. We could've lost Stewart this year, right? And he wasn't selected. Jury's out on Palacios, we'll see what he does at Clinton next year.

I am saying just say Will Stewart or Soriano look amazing this year would u add Vesia(who doesnt need to be on the 40 man) and risk losing 1 of them who do

FYI scouts love Soriano and Palacios

[Nick]

I am saying just say Will Stewart or Soriano look amazing this year would u add Vesia(who doesnt need to be on the 40 man) and risk losing 1 of them who do

FYI scouts love Soriano and Palacios

By the time, you might start thinking of calling up Vesia, you'll have had months to evaluate Stewart, Soriano and Palacios. So you'll have a better idea what you want to do with the roster crunch.

From what I've read, Soriano and Palacios seem like exact opposites. Soriano tremendous stuff, scouts love him, but hasn't really put up the results yet, but an Edward Cabrera-type breakout is still possible. Palacios from what I've read is the opposite. Scouts don't love his stuff, but his stats at rookie ball are unbelievable.

[Erick]

I wouldn’t sign Strop to DFA Urena or Conley. Why not hope for a Conley bounce back or for Urena to transition well out of the pen?

I don’t mind Strop, but I don’t see the point.

[fish16]

What exactly is the point if dfa urena until you absolutely need to? The guy isn’t a front line starter but he has been a decent back end innings eater for years at this point. Let him pitch in the rotation till one of the prospects is ready and then deal him for a lower level prospect when that time comes.

Conley they fucked up not trading two years ago along with stecienrider but same thing with him. Why dfa him now rather than just waiting till the end of spring and seeing if he makes the team and if not deal him for whatever you can get as well. Doing it in January makes no sense to me, especially for urena

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And again, who are the 5 starters of urena isn’t there to start the year? Smith, Sandy, Lopez, Yamamoto, and elieser or neidert? Just keep urena at least thru spring, then at worst just deal him at that point cause you know a team would be willing to put him in their rotation

[tjfla]

By the time, you might start thinking of calling up Vesia, you'll have had months to evaluate Stewart, Soriano and Palacios. So you'll have a better idea what you want to do with the roster crunch.

From what I've read, Soriano and Palacios seem like exact opposites. Soriano tremendous stuff, scouts love him, but hasn't really put up the results yet, but an Edward Cabrera-type breakout is still possible. Palacios from what I've read is the opposite. Scouts don't love his stuff, but his stats at rookie ball are unbelievable.

Exact opposites but Soriano will be in Jupiter and should look amazing there. Palacios doesnt have the stuff but reality is Miami has been trying to hide him so no one really knows much about him. 19 in Low A ball is great age and teams could care less if u throw 88 if u are 12-1 1.40ERA and have 6BB in 100 innings

[fish16]

Exact opposites but Soriano will be in Jupiter and should look amazing there. Palacios doesnt have the stuff but reality is Miami has been trying to hide him so no one really knows much about him. 19 in Low A ball is great age and teams could care less if u throw 88 if u are 12-1 1.40ERA and have 6BB in 100 innings

Teams absolutely care if you are 12-1 in low a if you only throw 88. Without having hope for an increased velocity for whatever reason in the future then that is a non prospect

[lou]

What exactly is the point if dfa urena until you absolutely need to? The guy isn’t a front line starter but he has been a decent back end innings eater for years at this point. Let him pitch in the rotation till one of the prospects is ready and then deal him for a lower level prospect when that time comes.

Conley they fucked up not trading two years ago along with stecienrider but same thing with him. Why dfa him now rather than just waiting till the end of spring and seeing if he makes the team and if not deal him for whatever you can get as well. Doing it in January makes no sense to me, especially for urena

They'll also owe Urena like $700k if they cut him. They should keep him until the super 2 deadline, and then convert him to a RP if he is struggling, or trade him.

What I would do right now is something like, trade one of Yamamoto/Hernandez/Dugger and one of Holloway/Mejia for literally whatever (non-40 man), and sign Cam Maybin/Kevin Pillar on a cheap 1 year deal (send Brinson to AAA) and then sign Strop/Phelps/Kinzler/whoever for the last bullpen spot.

You have Brinson and Wallach in AAA for injury call ups, and you have one of Yamamoto/Hernandez/Dugger, Brigham, and one of Tarpley/Quijada in AAA. Nothing is really lost moving those pitchers as you've exchanged them for a similar prospect, IFA cash, etc. Baltimore or KC would love some young pitching.