2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Nick]

(The only college hitter to go straight to high-A last year)

Bleday went straight to high A for one reason only: the Marlins chose to send him there. Would any other major league team have done the same? I doubt it. Teams have all kinds of reasons for placing prospects at various levels. Merit is highly subjective.

In that regard, you could say that J Sanchez "made it all the way to AAA" as a 21-year-old. A closer look reveals that he did nothing at AA to "earn" such a promotion. The Rays had their own reasons.

Whether Bleday deserved to go straight to High-A is irrelevant. He was sent there, and that should be taken into consideration when evaluating what he did last year. You only want to look at raw numbers and come to an asinine conclusion on a player, who you'll do a complete 180 on the first time they have a good month next season.

I thought the Rays were infallible Lee? Now you're saying they were too aggressive with Sanchez? What happened? Well I kind of agree that they were a little too aggressive with his upward movement, but 300 mediocre ABs in AA doesn't change the fact that he was fantastic all the way up until AA, and in 130 ABs in AAA acquitted himself quite well considering he's a 21-year old playing against mostly guys in their late 20s. If you want to disqualify the guy because he didn't light the world on fire at age 20-21 in AA against advanced pitching then go ahead I guess, but I'm just telling you, you're wrong on this one.

[Lee Stone]

Honesty just looking at his numbers aside from 60 abs last year he can probably give you a high .700 ops for a few hundred at bats and a nice veteran presence. He’s probably got more in the tank than granderson did

Kemp is a nice veteran presence? In the OF, Kemp makes Austin Dean look like a Gold Glover. Allowing him to step onto the LF grass would be nothing but a handicap for the young Marlin pitching staff.

His sixty at bats last season were actually very meaningful. They resulted in no major league team wanting anything to do with him.

[fish16]

Kemp is a nice veteran presence? In the OF, Kemp makes Austin Dean look like a Gold Glover. Allowing him to step onto the LF grass would be nothing but a handicap for the young Marlin pitching staff.

His sixty at bats last season were actually very meaningful. They resulted in no major league team wanting anything to do with him.

We get it dude, every players last 50 abs are what they are for eternity at any level in which they will play. If only I had your foresight to be able to see Austin dean for the superstar he is along with our cy young pitcher Ben Meyer to go along with his battery mate Tyler “Johnny bench” heinemen.

[Lee Stone]

Whether Bleday deserved to go straight to High-A is irrelevant. He was sent there, and that should be taken into consideration when evaluating what he did last year. You only want to look at raw numbers and come to an asinine conclusion on a player, who you'll do a complete 180 on the first time they have a good month next season.

I thought the Rays were infallible Lee? Now you're saying they were too aggressive with Sanchez? What happened? Well I kind of agree that they were a little too aggressive with his upward movement, but 300 mediocre ABs in AA doesn't change the fact that he was fantastic all the way up until AA, and in 130 ABs in AAA acquitted himself quite well considering he's a 21-year old playing against mostly guys in their late 20s. If you want to disqualify the guy because he didn't light the world on fire at age 20-21 in AA against advanced pitching then go ahead I guess, but I'm just telling you, you're wrong on this one.

Only the year(s) ahead will determine who may be right or wrong. Will you even allow for that fact?

I didn't "disqualify" anybody from anything. I said I don't share the optimism of others regarding our primary OF prospects.

As to the Rays being an adept front office, I definitely think they are. They were shopping Sanchez around well before they dropped him on the Marlins.

[Nick]

Only the year(s) ahead will determine who may be right or wrong. Will you even allow for that fact?

I didn't "disqualify" anybody from anything. I said I don't share the optimism of others regarding our primary OF prospects.

As to the Rays being an adept front office, I definitely think they are. They were shopping Sanchez around well before they dropped him on the Marlins.

Your original post ended with "what to do?" when the obvious answer is do nothing. You let the kids develop and stop overreacting to small sample sizes. You are the one that needs to allow these guys to develop and stop being so damn short-sighted.

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What to do? Hope that the young starters pitch well enough to become excellent trade pieces so we can go find a future OF. I feel good enough about Cabrera, Sanchez, Mejia, Guzman, Rogers, Garrett and Neidert for 2021 that all of the current rotation could be moved for the right position players.

Yep suggesting we should move excess pitching prospects for a totally new "future OF" could in no way be construed as giving up on these guys.

[tjfla]

I asked Mish on Twitter if Kemp was the mystery OF and he respond he’s definitely not. So we will see what else they do...

NOT the mystery OF. He was on the list of "interesting" names Marlins signed to Milb contracts. Few others still to be announced but don't wanna say just in case they back out like Bam Bam did. RP,C,OF,1B still to come

Remember with these Milb deals they don't have to be on 40 man which means u can stick him on Wichita roster but keep him up with the team. Guys like Dean,Harold,Brinson,Berti,Cooper all have options

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Based on the fact that he will get a closing job opportunity somewhere and he can find himself getting a bigger payday after a lost year last year by pitching on a more high profile team. We will be stuck with the second tier of relievers. This is how the reliever market works every single year. Thanks for yet another post where you don’t actually say a single fucking thing though

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Does anyone actually know what kind of stuff vesia has? Cause there are always relievers who put up great numbers in the minors but their major league projectability depends on what kind of velocity and stuff he has

Like lou said. He is kinda like Conley-great FB and lots of deception. CH/SL can use work(which is why he probably spends year in minors) but arent bad pitches

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So they’ll spend $20 million on 3 players who are expiring assets and may turn into a 25-35th best player in the system at the deadline?

How about spend $16+ on a longterm option (Castellanos, Ozuna, Puig) or major salary dump for better prospects (Myers) and sign two $2 million veterans who want playing time.

They would love Castellanos but not at 6 yrs. Ozuna issue remains that QO but FO off alot.

FO wants to spend cash but not on guys long term 4-6 years. Sign some stopgaps and deal them for more talent

For documentation I am with u on the Wil Myers deal I would jump all over him and prospects then sign few more vets on the cheap

[fish16]

According to the new times the marlins are partnering with biscayne brewing to create a massive beer hall at the ballpark. Finally putting more in and around the ballpark. I still think they should take out some seats in the right field upper deck and put some sort of restaurant/bar but this will do

[rmc523]

According to the new times the marlins are partnering with biscayne brewing to create a massive beer hall at the ballpark. Finally putting more in and around the ballpark. I still think they should take out some seats in the right field upper deck and put some sort of restaurant/bar but this will do

This appears to go in that corner to the right/behind the info booth as you enter the home plate entrance that has been empty for years now. Initially there were some concessions back there, but they closed years ago/were covered up/closed off, and were removed completely last year. I think this will be a nice addition.

I wonder what other improvements will be made to the park for this year? Will they update the upper deck concessions (when sitting in the home run porch you could look over and see that they had not updated the 3rd deck concessions like the others last year - meaning they didn't intend to open it at all.

https://beyondthebases.mlblogs.com/c...k-7611bd0a1d29

[fish16]

This appears to go in that corner to the right/behind the info booth as you enter the home plate entrance that has been empty for years now. Initially there were some concessions back there, but they closed years ago/were covered up/closed off, and were removed completely last year. I think this will be a nice addition.

I wonder what other improvements will be made to the park for this year? Will they update the upper deck concessions (when sitting in the home run porch you could look over and see that they had not updated the 3rd deck concessions like the others last year - meaning they didn't intend to open it at all.

https://beyondthebases.mlblogs.com/c...k-7611bd0a1d29

I was wondering where this would go and that makes a ton of sense. It’s never really made much sense to me why they had that huge area behind home plate that was essentially just empty.

When was the last time the upper deck was even open for a marlins game? I still think I’d like to see some of the upper deck seats in right field taken out and make a bar type thing out there. We don’t need a 36,000 seat stadium. If you take out 2-3 k seats and do what the Braves did in their outfield there I think that would look better and give more options on how to watch the game.

[fish16]

Angels sign Teheran to a one year deal so he’s off the table. Good deal for them he should be an improvement in their rotation

[rmc523]

The White Sox signed Gio Gonzalez as well.

[lou]

The White Sox signed Gio Gonzalez as well.

They all want contenders, or potential contenders.

[tjfla]

They all want contenders, or potential contenders.

Exactly our issue right now. They have made solid offers to all these guys but they all wanna go to contenders or pick where they wanna play. Miami has been telling FA that IF they get a solid offer at deadline they would trade them which also isnt helping

This will happen for another 2 weeks then FA will be begging US,Baltimore,Detroit to make nice offers. They will get lowballed and Boras should be crying that these teams are cheap. This is the craziest thing about MLB FA-in NBA/NFL players sign with anyone long as they get paid but in MLB FA only wanna sign with good teams and then when the good teams are full they expect the crappy teams to give them contracts like 5/100+

I would love to be in a Scott Boras meeting/call. Craps on team all offseason,calls them cheap and wont take their calls but as soon as they are the only team left he probably begs the team to pay his guy and give them deals in the future

Ahhh MLB FA HAHAH

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No clue why we arent in on Lindor but seems SD,LA,Cincy and NYY are trying to get him and could have deal by Monday

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MilB with invite signings

catcher Ryan Lavarnway and right-hander Josh A. Smith. Rounding out the list of non-roster invitees are catchers Brian Navarreto, Santiago Chavez and BJ Lopez; infielders Gosuke Katoh and Christian Lopes; and right-hander Aaron Northcraft.

Northcraft is Brice like.Lavarnway and other C are all defense guys and Josh Smith is AAAA arm

We supposedly have commits from others probably just waiting to see if get any better offers

[rmc523]

Exactly our issue right now. They have made solid offers to all these guys but they all wanna go to contenders or pick where they wanna play. Miami has been telling FA that IF they get a solid offer at deadline they would trade them which also isnt helping

This will happen for another 2 weeks then FA will be begging US,Baltimore,Detroit to make nice offers. They will get lowballed and Boras should be crying that these teams are cheap. This is the craziest thing about MLB FA-in NBA/NFL players sign with anyone long as they get paid but in MLB FA only wanna sign with good teams and then when the good teams are full they expect the crappy teams to give them contracts like 5/100+

I would love to be in a Scott Boras meeting/call. Craps on team all offseason,calls them cheap and wont take their calls but as soon as they are the only team left he probably begs the team to pay his guy and give them deals in the future

Ahhh MLB FA HAHAH

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No clue why we arent in on Lindor but seems SD,LA,Cincy and NYY are trying to get him and could have deal by Monday

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MilB with invite signings

catcher Ryan Lavarnway and right-hander Josh A. Smith. Rounding out the list of non-roster invitees are catchers Brian Navarreto, Santiago Chavez and BJ Lopez; infielders Gosuke Katoh and Christian Lopes; and right-hander Aaron Northcraft.

Northcraft is Brice like.Lavarnway and other C are all defense guys and Josh Smith is AAAA arm

We supposedly have commits from others probably just waiting to see if get any better offers

So we don't have anything then lol.

[lou]

No clue why we arent in on Lindor but seems SD,LA,Cincy and NYY are trying to get him and could have deal by Monday

For sure.

Bleday/Jazz
Cabrera/Neidert/Garrett/Rogers
Misner/Scott/Jerar/Nunez/Devers
Stanek/Conley/Hernandez/Brigham/Quijada/Holloway
Outside top 35 throw in, lower than Mokma/Vesia/Encarnacion in prospect status

Lindor
B. Zimmer (don't need with Reyes, Deshields, Mercado, Luplow, Bauers)

Sounds like a plan in a 5-2. It would be hard to bet that offer from any other team.

Give Lindor 10/$305 to be cute with a 5 year opt out (split 5/$140 and 5/$165, this is basically valuing him $33 in free agency and $40 in 2 arbitration years).

All is well.

Alfaro, Whoever
Diaz, Cooper/Aguilar
Isan
Lindor, Berti/Rojas/Devers
Jazz or Anderson
Anderson or Bleday
Monte, Zimmer, Sierra
Sanchez

That'll work. Payroll is probably under $70 with the all internal team 21-22, and will start to ramp up in 23.

And I would STILL eat Will Myers for prospects in this scenario (but now pass on Castellanos/Ozuna)

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That's actually a fun idea. Eat Myers money to get prospects to deflect what you shot out for Lindor, and then use Villar to recoup another half decent one in the summer.

You probably can wipe out all the prospect losses with those acquisitions so it's effectively Bleday/Jazz and absorbing money for Lindor.