2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[rmc523]

Meaning they are willing to take on salary-JD Martinez/Desmond/Ellsbury/arms IF teams throw in prospects,picks,IFA $

2020 means NOTHING

Good. I'm tired of reading we're packaging player x with bad contract to get rid of the money.

[tjfla]

The thing about Didi is will he be cool at 3B? They dont have him at top of list because they see

1B-Lewin
2B-Isan
SS-Jazz

by August or 2021. They are ALL LHB and need to play

IF they sign a Avisail Garcia and a vet LHB then BA stays at 3B. If they sign a Avisail Garcia and Didi then BA can play RF/3B and Didi can play 3B and around the IF

They don't wanna sign Didi to 3 or 4 yr deal and have him cry about 3B(Hanley) plus got Monte,Jesus,Bleday,VV,Jerar as OF options soon

Dont forget 26 guys next year on roster

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Good. I'm tired of reading we're packaging player x with bad contract to get rid of the money.

No money to get rid of except Chen and they can just eat it since only 1 year left. NOTHING is close but they have made it known to teams.

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NOV 20 is deadline to add Rule 5 guys. Would expect to see some moves around Nov 18-20 like last year. RP arms traded for non 40 man guys and DFA guys like Wallach/Riddle

Super 2 cutoff is 2.115. JT Riddle is at 2.118

[Namaste]

Marlins are only 100/1 to win the World Series. That tells me they will be adding pieces that are not complete garbage.

The Orioles are 250/1.

[rmc523]

tjfla, I know you keep talking about taking on money to get stuff. I know the Padres are a sore spot, but they might be looking to offload Wil Myers/his contract. He's owed $22.5M through 2022, with a $20M option/$1M buyout for 2023. And they also may have a roster crunch.

[Nick]

tjfla, I know you keep talking about taking on money to get stuff. I know the Padres are a sore spot, but they might be looking to offload Wil Myers/his contract. He's owed $22.5M through 2022, with a $20M option/$1M buyout for 2023. And they also may have a roster crunch.

All they have to do is give us Chris Paddack back and we'll be happy to take on Wil Myers' contract.

[lou]

All they have to do is give us Chris Paddack back and we'll be happy to take on Wil Myers' contract.

I'd give them any player in the minors besides Sixto, Jazz, Bleday, Sanchez, Cabrera, and Monte (presumably Neidert/Garrett/Rogers/Guzman/Devers/Scott), and then any player ranked in Marlins top 15-25 (FV40) for Wil Myers (and his $61 million) and Paddack.

Totally worth it to get Paddack. Would be incredible. He's awesome. Who cares about Myers money. It expires in 3 years.

But I do like the idea of getting Wil Myers, $30 million from San Diego (making him 3/$30) and two FV40 prospects or better. Myers has real upside and can play LF until Bleday is ready. And dabble at 1B/CF as needed. $10 million bucks a year is fine. Maybe even a little more. Two more Will Stewart/Osiris Johnsons would be helpful. That's a good dump trade for everyone.

JOSH Reddick is another good one for Miami.

[tjfla]

tjfla, I know you keep talking about taking on money to get stuff. I know the Padres are a sore spot, but they might be looking to offload Wil Myers/his contract. He's owed $22.5M through 2022, with a $20M option/$1M buyout for 2023. And they also may have a roster crunch.

Not a name I heard but wouldn't be surprised by anyone. Long as u have IFA/Draft Pick/Prospects attached Denbo will probably listen-they are looking for OF/1B and arms mostly so if u have one it could happen

Just remember next year we will have a roster crunch so they prefer Draft Picks/IFA $ or NON 40 man prospects to OK types on 40 man. They would jump all over good 40 man guys too but prefer that stuff. They would love to add 1 or 2 draft picks to add to the draft pool $$$ BUT they dont come out until Dec/Jan so can't do those trades till then. As for IFA few guys they are waiting to sign(no big names) but also some Cubans who should be FA in next few months that they have eye on.

Marlins are happy to help ANYONE(except maybe LAD) as long as u are throwing some sweetners in the deal. NL East teams sure!! NYY sure!! If NYY need money for Cole I could see us taking on Ellsbury contract(keep him on 60 Day all year) if NYY are throwing in prospects. 2020 means NOTHING-only thing they wanna do is play the younger guys to see if they can hang or not and get pitching set for 2021

[Nick]

Have the Yankees eat half his salary and take back Stanton.

[tjfla]

Have the Yankees eat half his salary and take back Stanton.

No trade clause remember

Ellsbury has one too but Miami would likely just tell him to sit home all year

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Talking about sitting home all year. IF Miami keeps Chen don't be surprised if he is put on 60 Day DL really quick with an "arm" injury and told to sit home. He will be activated in Sept because of this


Is not on the DL at the end of 2020 and is healthy in 2021-IF he is on the DL at end of year his 2021 option vests

Miami could have 40-50 million in contracts for 2020 just sitting at home

[Nick]

No trade clause remember

Oh I remember.

[fauowls44]

Not a name I heard but wouldn't be surprised by anyone. Long as u have IFA/Draft Pick/Prospects attached Denbo will probably listen-they are looking for OF/1B and arms mostly so if u have one it could happen

Just remember next year we will have a roster crunch so they prefer Draft Picks/IFA $ or NON 40 man prospects to OK types on 40 man. They would jump all over good 40 man guys too but prefer that stuff. They would love to add 1 or 2 draft picks to add to the draft pool $$$ BUT they dont come out until Dec/Jan so can't do those trades till then. As for IFA few guys they are waiting to sign(no big names) but also some Cubans who should be FA in next few months that they have eye on.

Marlins are happy to help ANYONE(except maybe LAD) as long as u are throwing some sweetners in the deal. NL East teams sure!! NYY sure!! If NYY need money for Cole I could see us taking on Ellsbury contract(keep him on 60 Day all year) if NYY are throwing in prospects. 2020 means NOTHING-only thing they wanna do is play the younger guys to see if they can hang or not and get pitching set for 2021

I know you keep saying that 2020 means nothing, but I don't think that is true. They have to show at least some improvement at the MLB level in 2020. You can't ask this fan base to just waste another season. I'm not saying that they have to compete for a wild card or anything, but they need to show they are making strides. Another 50-60 win season doesn't help, especially with the TV deal coming up and you are trying to build a sponsorship base. Building a strong farm system is great and necessary, but at some point they have to show this community that they are committed to winning in Miami. Nobody is going to take them seriously until they show they are willing to put forth some money and make the team worth watching.

[rmc523]

I know you keep saying that 2020 means nothing, but I don't think that is true. They have to show at least some improvement at the MLB level in 2020. You can't ask this fan base to just waste another season. I'm not saying that they have to compete for a wild card or anything, but they need to show they are making strides. Another 50-60 win season doesn't help, especially with the TV deal coming up and you are trying to build a sponsorship base. Building a strong farm system is great and necessary, but at some point they have to show this community that they are committed to winning in Miami. Nobody is going to take them seriously until they show they are willing to put forth some money and make the team worth watching.

Totally agree with this. I'm on board with the rebuild, and get how it works, but improvement needs to be shown. Granted, getting rid of some of the guys that are already gone (Granderson, etc.), should automatically cause an improvement. But I think they need to show improvement - and a change in thinking (vs. the old regime) - for people to gain more trust in what they're doing.

[tjfla]

I know you keep saying that 2020 means nothing, but I don't think that is true. They have to show at least some improvement at the MLB level in 2020. You can't ask this fan base to just waste another season. I'm not saying that they have to compete for a wild card or anything, but they need to show they are making strides. Another 50-60 win season doesn't help, especially with the TV deal coming up and you are trying to build a sponsorship base. Building a strong farm system is great and necessary, but at some point they have to show this community that they are committed to winning in Miami. Nobody is going to take them seriously until they show they are willing to put forth some money and make the team worth watching.

They wanna show improvement but 2020 is gonna be like 2019 except more younger guys will be up(Lewin/Jazz/Monte/Sixto). If they finish with the 4-10 Pick they would be happy. They wanna go hard after prospects and draft picks/IFA in 2020 still. 2021 is when they expect to show stuff and won't be all about the draft and prospects.

All I am saying is that 2020 is last year they think they can add young guys. After this year it won't be about doing Gallen for Jazz trades OR drafting/signing 30 guys . They will know what they have and draft BPA they think can stay in system not add as much talent as possible and cross fingers

This is why they signed Mattingly instead of another guy right now. Let Don coach this year and next year(2021) he will likely be fired or reassigned to FO and replaced with Rowson,Trey Hillman,Keith Johnson or Meulens if he signs who will led the team into future

[Nick]

They wanna show improvement but 2020 is gonna be like 2019 except more younger guys will be up(Lewin/Jazz/Monte/Sixto). If they finish with the 4-10 Pick they would be happy. They wanna go hard after prospects and draft picks/IFA in 2020 still. 2021 is when they expect to show stuff and won't be all about the draft and prospects.

All I am saying is that 2020 is last year they think they can add young guys. After this year it won't be about doing Gallen for Jazz trades OR drafting/signing 30 guys . They will know what they have and draft BPA they think can stay in system not add as much talent as possible and cross fingers

This is why they signed Mattingly instead of another guy right now. Let Don coach this year and next year(2021) he will likely be fired or reassigned to FO and replaced with Rowson,Trey Hillman,Keith Johnson or Meulens if he signs who will led the team into future

This indicates a moving of the goal posts, so it's no longer 2021 we think we should be able to compete, it's 2022. I think our point is, if you want to compete in 2021, you gotta do more this offseason to improve the team, or else you're going to completely reliant on rookie players and probably overspend on free agents next offseason, and that's not really a recipe for competing.

1996 and 1997 are a good example. We brought in Al Leiter, Kevin Brown, and Robb Nen before the 96 season. We were still bad in 96, but we were in a better spot for the next round of call ups and FA acquisitions to allow us to make a run 1997.

[tjfla]

This indicates a moving of the goal posts, so it's no longer 2021 we think we should be able to compete, it's 2022. I think our point is, if you want to compete in 2021, you gotta do more this offseason to improve the team, or else you're going to completely reliant on rookie players and probably overspend on free agents next offseason, and that's not really a recipe for competing.

1996 and 1997 are a good example. We brought in Al Leiter, Kevin Brown, and Robb Nen before the 96 season. We were still bad in 96, but we were in a better spot for the next round of call ups and FA acquisitions to allow us to make a run 1997.

They think they can be over .500 in 2021. They wanna play the younger guys this year

By Aug 1(Maybe even earlier)

C-Alfaro
1B-Lewin
2B-Isan
SS-Jazz/Rojas(UT)
3b-BA
LF-Harold or Avisail
CF-Monte
RF-Jesus

I could see this as the lineup with rotation like this

SP-Sixto
SP-Caleb
SP-Sandy
SP-Pablo
SP-Cabrera

No clue about WAR stuff(lou does) but that team could probably win more games then this year and besides LF probably the 2021 Opening Day lineup

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Probably could use another power OF bat in 2021 but Jerar and Bleday should be ready mid 2021 and if sign Roark/Pineda they could be in rotation in 2021