2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[lou]

For the record, I see Groshans as having zero chance of being an adequate 3B. Pages has been playing CF and doing an adequate job defensively.

The reason to trade Alcantara is because the return for him can actually rebuild the team.

Noted Lee. However, they just traded for Groshans so whatever you think isn't going to happen. That kid is getting 350-400 PA minimum next year absent a disaster. They got him for a reason. Adequate CF defense isn't what they need. They need an every day CF. That is unarguable.

Also they don't need to rebuild the team, and if they did, the way to do it is not trade the cy-young winner with 5 years of cheap control. That's how you go backwards. This team has so much potential with the pitching + Jazz they need to ADD and not SUBTRACT.

It's just surreal you learned nothing from the Yelich trade.

[rmc523]

They don't need a 1B because of Garrett Cooper? Because of his 9 HRs and .752 OPS last year?

LF they need to try out the 4? Isn't that what they did last year?

Lee's wrong about trading Sandy, but he's not wrong about needing 3-4 maybe even 5 upgrades in the lineup to even get to a respectable level.

I think the idea is not that an upgrade at multiple positions wouldn't be nice, it's just there are several massive holes that need to be prioritized - 1A and 1B are CF and SS, with other positions following. If they are morons again and don't sign/trade for a CF or SS, then sure, upgrade SOMEWHERE.

[lou]

I think the idea is not that an upgrade at multiple positions wouldn't be nice, it's just there are several massive holes that need to be prioritized - 1A and 1B are CF and SS, with other positions following. If they are morons again and don't sign/trade for a CF or SS, then sure, upgrade SOMEWHERE.

What's better.

Cooper 1/$4

Rizzo 2/$40

Joc 1/$19

Josh Bell - whatever he is going to get where he had a 2 WAR and Cooper 1.4, and Cooper had way less PA.


So yes, I'd like an upgrade also but Rizzo/Joc cannot be 20-25% of payroll if these are the going rates.


Seriously, how are teams going to compete if SF and NYY can afford that, and LAA is giving Tyler Anderson 3/$39? Are 10 teams just going to sign everyone?

I maintain, Correa is a STEAL at $32m if these are market prices. Why pay for any of the middle? Buy the top and the Anthony Bass level deals and nothing in the middle unless it is 1 year (and then not even Joc prices). Everything else has to be homegrown for a small market team.

[rmc523]

What's better.

Cooper 1/$4

Rizzo 2/$40

Joc 1/$19

Josh Bell - whatever he is going to get where he had a 2 WAR and Cooper 1.4, and Cooper had way less PA.


So yes, I'd like an upgrade also but Rizzo/Joc cannot be 20-25% of payroll if these are the going rates.


Seriously, how are teams going to compete if SF and NYY can afford that, and LAA is giving Tyler Anderson 3/$39? Are 10 teams just going to sign everyone?

I maintain, Correa is a STEAL at $32m if these are market prices. Why pay for any of the middle? Buy the top and the Anthony Bass level deals and nothing in the middle unless it is 1 year (and then not even Joc prices). Everything else has to be homegrown for a small market team.

Yup, Rizzo AND Joc are both off the board. Joc accepted the QO, and Rizzo resigned with the Yankees - 2/34, with a $6M buyout on a $17M club option for year 3.

Well, MLBTR's FA predictions had just about all the top 50 going to the Yankees, Dodgers, Giants, and Rangers lol.

[fish16]

Woah, not sure how we got Xavier Edwards for nothing but great deal. Dealing with the rays tho has me skeptical. Also dfad as expected lewin, neidert, devers, Brigham, and Elieser

[sports24/7]

Woah, not sure how we got Xavier Edwards for nothing but great deal. Dealing with the rays tho has me skeptical. Also dfad as expected lewin, neidert, devers, Brigham, and Elieser

I know nothing about him, but people seem to like Marcus Johnson. But you have to like taking a chance on the upside of Edwards. It definitely fall in line with what we’ve heard their new strategy with hitters will be going with more contact guys over power guys.

[sports24/7]

I don’t really love losing Lewin Diaz and especially Jose Devers for nothing, though. Not that I had super high hopes for either, but you would have hoped they could get something.

[lou]

I know nothing about him, but people seem to like Marcus Johnson. But you have to like taking a chance on the upside of Edwards. It definitely fall in line with what we’ve heard their new strategy with hitters will be going with more contact guys over power guys.

He was the Rays 4-7th best prospect depending on where you looked. They had an insane 40 man roster crunch and they probably got forced into taking whatever they could get. You definitely bet on a skills improvement with Edwards. They can stuff him in AAA and he is Berti's replacement in 24/25.

Nice move. Another low-key Groshans kind of move and Edwards will be given a chance. The price was right.

[lou]

So it's now

C - Fortes, Stallings (2)
1B - Cooper (1)
2B - Jazz, LeBlanc, Edwards (3)
SS - Wendle, Rojas (2)
3B - Anderson, Berti, Groshans (3)
LF - Sanchez, DLC, Bleday (3)
CF -
RF - Garcia, Burdick (2)
DH - Soler, Jerar (2)
SP - Alcantara, Cabrera, Garrett, Lopez, Luzardo, Meyer, Rogers, Sixto (8)
RHP - Bender, Brazoban, Chargois, Floro, Nance (5)
LHP - Bleier, Castano, Nardi, Okert, Reynolds, Scott (6)
=37

Got some room for waiver pickups and Rule V now.

Swap out Wendle/Rojas and BA for a starting SS and CF, and once you can put Meyer/Bender on the 60 day you can add another optionable 1B and whatever else. This starts making some cohesive sense.

Brazoban is the perplexing one here. They have a good track record with relievers, but it's wild that guy has broke through. Good for him.

[lou]

Oh nevermind, they did in fact add Simpson and Soriano as I expected.

And Villalobos? I'm not too familiar with him, but seems like a Lee Stone favorite waiting to happen. https://www.fangraphs.com/players/el...ats?position=P

[Nick]

Really disappointing Lewin never improved. Throw another failed hitting prospect on the pile.

[fauowls44]

So it's now

C - Fortes, Stallings (2)
1B - Cooper (1)
2B - Jazz, LeBlanc, Edwards (3)
SS - Wendle, Rojas (2)
3B - Anderson, Berti, Groshans (3)
LF - Sanchez, DLC, Bleday (3)
CF -
RF - Garcia, Burdick (2)
DH - Soler, Jerar (2)
SP - Alcantara, Cabrera, Garrett, Lopez, Luzardo, Meyer, Rogers, Sixto (8)
RHP - Bender, Brazoban, Chargois, Floro, Nance (5)
LHP - Bleier, Castano, Nardi, Okert, Reynolds, Scott (6)
=37

Got some room for waiver pickups and Rule V now.

Swap out Wendle/Rojas and BA for a starting SS and CF, and once you can put Meyer/Bender on the 60 day you can add another optionable 1B and whatever else. This starts making some cohesive sense.

Brazoban is the perplexing one here. They have a good track record with relievers, but it's wild that guy has broke through. Good for him.

Besides the obvious hole in CF, they definitely need to address 1B and LF. Those would seem to be the most obvious places to add 3 bats to the lineup (assuming you stay in house at SS/3B). You cannot go into another season counting on Cooper. I suppose Jerar can also play that position, but this would seem to indicate they’ll be in the market for someone (Abreu? Mancini? Trade).

LF is another area of concern. I could see them wanting to give DLC another look after how he finished the season, but they could definitely upgrade there. I’d also argue to upgrade RF and DH, but unless they can unload either Garcia or Soler, they probably are stuck there for now and have to hope both bounce back.

[fauowls44]

Really disappointing Lewin never improved. Throw another failed hitting prospect on the pile.

Yup. A real shame he couldn’t hit even a little given how good he is at 1st.

[Namaste]

I still can’t believe they signed Soler. It was Fernando Rodney level stupid.

[Nick]

I still can’t believe they signed Soler. It was Fernando Rodney level stupid.

The Garcia deal was worse. There was a chance that last year could've been one of Soler's "good years" then he opts out after one year and you get a good year out of him. To give Garcia 4 years, when he hasn't put together 2 good years in a row his entire career, was very dumb.