2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

I feel like if Lewis isn’t in the deal I don’t love it.

They theoretically get 2 starters, one of them the heart of the team and the Al batting champ with defensive versatility for a good sp coming off the only year he’s ever stayed fully healthy and two years from free agency when they have like 7 other starters in the next two years. If the parameters are Arraez and Kepler for Pablo , that’s an absolute steal. Kepler’s salary is pretty close to Rojas so they give away Rojas and Pablo for Arraez, Kepler, and Amaya without adding much salary. That’s a great trade off. Plus Arraez has 3 years left compared to 2 for Pablo. Look into how the twins fans talk about Arraez. He is the heart of that team. Phillies fans talked similarly about segura. Not sure if they are getting those types of guys on purpose or if the team will just be much more fun to watch by chance

[fish16]

He's hurt half the year remember to note.


If Pablo gets both of them (Arraez and Kepler, or even Polanco), it works *IF* there is still the last major upgrade and it is Reynolds. Rogers/Cabrera, Meyer, Salas, and 2-3 more guys not in top 10 gets that done. Maybe even Rosario works here in some permutation.

We'll see what happens.

It’s gotta be rogers and Eder/Meyer to me, preferably Eder.. To me, you make every guy other than sandy, Cabrera, eury, and luzardo available now. You still have cueto, Garrett, Meyer and eventually Fulton. Go all in with anyone else, namely Rogers, for reynolds. The pirates aren’t dumb so maybe it doesn’t work, but Roger’s has been trash for a year and a half, if he can get you that final piece like reynolds, I don’t give a fuck who else in the system it takes, that’s your core. Sandy, luzardo, Cabrera, eury, Meyer for YEARS, super cheap. Jazz, Arraez, reynolds in the lineup is a good building block until the next wave of hitters hopefully develops like berry, Watson, bleday, salas, cape, Lewis, etc

[lou]

It’s gotta be rogers and Eder/Meyer to me, preferably Eder.. To me, you make every guy other than sandy, Cabrera, eury, and luzardo available now. You still have cueto, Garrett, Meyer and eventually Fulton. Go all in with anyone else, namely Rogers, for reynolds. The pirates aren’t dumb so maybe it doesn’t work, but Roger’s has been trash for a year and a half, if he can get you that final piece like reynolds, I don’t give a fuck who else in the system it takes, that’s your core. Sandy, luzardo, Cabrera, eury, Meyer for YEARS, super cheap. Jazz, Arraez, reynolds in the lineup is a good building block until the next wave of hitters hopefully develops like berry, Watson, bleday, salas, cape, Lewis, etc

Meyer doesn’t help now, so if you move Pablo and rogers, I’d pick Eder over Meyer to keep as Eder could very well help 1+ years faster than Meyer. Pittsburgh will need something big here and that frankly is Meyer. Fulton is still a lottery ticket but no one here is bitching about Sandy, Luzardo, rogers/Cabrera, cueto, and Garrett this year with eury, Eder, Fulton, and dare we sixto.

if Pablo, rogers/Cabrera, Meyer, Salas, and outside top 10s get arraez, Kepler, Reynolds, and Bednar, nearly every marlins fan is going to eat some major crow.

[Nick]

Am I missing something on Kepler? Sub .700 OPS last two seasons, is he an every day CF?

[fish16]

Meyer doesn’t help now, so if you move Pablo and rogers, I’d pick Eder over Meyer to keep as Eder could very well help 1+ years faster than Meyer. Pittsburgh will need something big here and that frankly is Meyer. Fulton is still a lottery ticket but no one here is bitching about Sandy, Luzardo, rogers/Cabrera, cueto, and Garrett this year with eury, Eder, Fulton, and dare we sixto.

if Pablo, rogers/Cabrera, Meyer, Salas, and outside top 10s get arraez, Kepler, Reynolds, and Bednar, nearly every marlins fan is going to eat some major crow.

They have enough this year, Meyer is a much better prospect than Eder to me. Obviously it’s up to the pirates, but if rogers, Eder, Fulton, Watson, + gets it done I take that and run. Eders not helping this year, and Meyer was the number 3 pick for a reason. Again it’s up to the pirates, but if in this scenario we have the choice to deal Eder or Meyer, I’m dealing Eder 100% of the time

[fish16]

Am I missing something on Kepler? Sub .700 OPS last two seasons, is he an every day CF?

Great defensively, might improve offensive numbers with shift going away, legit power

[lou]

Am I missing something on Kepler? Sub .700 OPS last two seasons, is he an every day CF?

It's a top level hitting and defensive profile - https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savan...-r-hitting-mlb

He's a very good 110 game starter and can play enough of CF to get by for a year, but yes better in a corner and in an ideal world, they'd get a real CF on top of him. Also it's the career .784 OPS vs RHP which is what you're buying, and he did that with shifts. He's a good bounce back.


Also what about a three team

Min - Pablo + Something not to major from Miami (Bleier? Scott?)
Mia - Arraez + Rosario
Clev - Kepler + Something not to major from Miami (I. Lewis?)

It really works. Cleveland has 2B/SS replacements and needs an OF. Kepler is perfect for them.

And you *still* go for broke with Reynolds/Bednar here and Wendle/Berti can be moved for more prospects to help net that out.

[Lee Stone]

Meyer is a much better prospect than Eder to me. ???

Opinions are fine. Afterall, it's baseball we talk about. Care to explain how you came to such a baseless conclusion?

[Nick]

Meyer is a much better prospect than Eder to me. ???

Opinions are fine. Afterall, it's baseball we talk about. Care to explain how you came to such a baseless conclusion?

Lee, I might be on your side as of right now, about Eder being better in the big leagues than Meyer will be.

But, the conclusion that Meyer was better than Eder was made 101 times in the 2020 MLB Draft by all the best baseball experts in the world, so let's not act like someone preferring Meyer to Eder is as ridiculous as some of the things you say.

[Lee Stone]

It's a rare thing to have a base of comparison like the Marlins did with Eder and Meyer in their first professional season. Same level, same team, same competition. Eder struck out more hitters, walked fewer, and gave up fewer hits. He's also a lefty and 6'4". He also had the same surgery as Meyer, just a year earlier. What's left to debate?

[rmc523]

We got Kepler and Arraez for pablo. Great trade. Now we've added Segura, Arraez, and Kepler, plus hope for bouncebacks for Soler and Garcia. Finish it with Rogers for Reynolds and thats a legit team.

C- Fortes
1b- Coop
2b- Jazz
SS- Segura
3b- Arraez
Lf- Kepler
Cf- Reynolds
Rf- Garcia
DH- Soler.

If we can add Coop + to the deal and get lewis as well, move Arraez to first, keep Segura at 3b, Lewis at SS, that's a playoff team depending on getting reynolds.

Where are you getting this? I'm not seeing it reported anywhere by any of the main reporters (Rosenthal, etc).

[fish16]

It's a rare thing to have a base of comparison like the Marlins did with Eder and Meyer in their first professional season. Same level, same team, same competition. Eder struck out more hitters, walked fewer, and gave up fewer hits. He's also a lefty. He also had the same surgery as Meyer, just a year earlier. What's left to debate?

He had the same injury as meyer, and idk if it was ever reported but i know for a fact that Eder also broke his foot last year while rehabbing because i know a friend of his. Also, not sure how many times this has to be told to you but small sample sizes dont translate automatically to future sucess. You're basing everything you say about eder based on literally 71 AA innings 2 years ago while never having seen a single pitch he threw. Meyer's ceiling is higher. He's a top of the rotation talent while eder is probably mid rotation, and Meyer has the floor of a dominant closer because of his dominant off speed pitch.


Also, no, Eder didnt strike out more hitters, because he barely pitched 71 innings compared to a full 40 innings more from Meyer. His rate might have been higher, but that's useless if he doesnt pitch. Eder got hurt in August while Meyer pitched through the end of september and then all year last year until july/august. Meyer's walk rate was identical to Eder, and he lowered it last year in AAA, which again, counts. Meyer was dominant in AAA and competed at the big league level with clear and obvious great stuff his first start before hurting the elbow. The only reason meyer's stats are even as bad as they were in AAA last year was because in May he pitched 2 games with an elbow injury where he gave up a combined 14 ER's, 14 hits, 4 walks, and 4 HR's in 8.1 innings. Without those games included in his stats, in AAA he gave up 11 ER's and just 1 HR in 52.2 innings, good for a 1.91 ERA and .67 WHIP. He was flat out dominant outside of 2 starts where he pitched injured at a higher level than eder ever got. Those stats would be better than what eder did in AA the year before.


If you take out those 2 starts out of meyer's entire minor league career thus far, he has a 2.13 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, just 9 hr's allowed, 194/56 K/BB ratio. He is a top of the rotation arm. Eder might be, but he's pitched 71 innings total 2 years ago. Both are good prospects, Meyer is clearly a step ahead of him. The only thing is the pirates might want eder because he can pitch this year.

[fish16]

Where are you getting this? I'm not seeing it reported anywhere by any of the main reporters (Rosenthal, etc).

i think the fringe reporters on twitter last night were premature. I think it's gonna happen today but they were acting like it would be done last night.

[Lee Stone]

Sure hope Arraez for Lopez rumor is false. What do the Marlins do with another DH when they already have Soler? Pablo is good enough to fetch a solid all-around player. I'd much rather build a deal around Rafaela of Boston, a brilliant CF defender with speed and a solid bat. Or Peraza of Yanks.

[fish16]

Morosi reporting the Rangers are among the most serious suitors for Reynolds. they can offer leiter + more of their pitchers. We need to beat that.