2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[Namaste]

and Meyer moves up come July

Is this a service time thing?

[Nick]

Is this a service time thing?

I don't think so, but I'm no service time expert. I think it comes down to, Sandy, Pablo and Rogers are locked in obviously. You have to give Luzardo and Cabrera a chance before Meyer due to age and the fact that they're on the 40-man roster. Elieser is a major league rotation arm when healthy. He'll eventually be traded, or moved to the pen, but while healthy should be a solid 4/5. So that's 6 guys, and Meyer only had a cup of coffee in AAA, there's no reason to get trigger happy. I think he'll get the opportunity to pass guys like Poteet and Garrett in the line at AAA. So I just think it's a matter of how the injuries play out on how soon we'll see him. Maybe Luzardo is a disaster again (looked like a different pitcher yesterday), and that moves up the timeline, maybe Cabrera still isn't quite ready, we'll see. So right call not to rush him at the beginning of the season, but he's gotta be an option if things go awry in May/June/July.

[lou]

Watson and Meyer feels like a lot to give up in a trade. I would certainly move 1 of them though...preferably Meyer because of the pitching depth. I feel like this is similar to the Yelich situation. Yelich I believe was under contract for 5 additional seasons and the Brewers gave up 1 top 100 prospect in the deal.

Meyer, Burdick or Bleday, Soriano (or another young pitcher), pick a low level MIF, and maybe DLC seems more than fair.

Brinson, Harrison, and Diaz were top 100 prospects. Harrison around 60s, Diaz 90s. Yelich did have 5 years. He should STILL be here.

Comparably, it would be (I know some guys are in two categories, this is a flow):

Jazz/Watson/Eury/Meyer/Cabrera
Sanchez/Cabrera/Sixto/Bleday
Sixto/Eder/Salas/Burdick
Outside top 25

Also remember, the Marlins sold LOW the day of trade despite how bad it turned out.

Pick whatever 3 you want from the tiers, and I'd throw in a *nice* 4th (Fulton, etc.) and another throw in + DLC and get Bednar. I bolded the offer I'd do. If that's a no, move to Laureano.

[lou]

I don't hate it if you piggyback him on Eliser starts since he rarely goes more than 5 innings. You could go Eliser, Cabrera, and Bender in those games...

That's the idea - 125 IP for each of Hernandez and Cabrera.

Hernandez begins as the starter, and literally flip their roles middle of the season so they effectively are a full SP and 1 RP innings wise. I want Cabrera more built up at the end, as Hernandez has more experience/built up more physically/etc. Then Meyer joins the pen so Hernandez is way down the depth chart (which is fine)

[lou]

Don't think you realize how special Watson is looking to the organization. He's the best player on whatever field he steps out on. Salas is extremely promising. If the Marlins are going to be a great team in the next couple years, it will be because those players are in the Marlins lineup. I want all the pitchers too.

So add Watson to the untouchable list - Sandy, Rogers, Jazz, and Watson. That's it for me for the entire organization.

Anyone else is fair game for a guy like Reynolds, and likely Laureano or Ketel too.

[lou]

FG top prospects for Rays came out (hopefully that means Marlins next), Misner ranked 11. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/tampa-ba...rospects-2022/

"By the middle of 2021...... Misner began performing on paper (.253/.355/.433 split between High- and Double-A) and had undergone a swing overhaul. His stance was narrowed and opened up, the angle of his bat as his hands load had changed, and his stride had shortened. While he’s still striking out a lot, the changes seem to have helped him get to more of his impressive raw power in games, and his speed gives him a real ability to play center field, creating some margin for error regarding the strikeouts. Misner still hasn’t performed at an age-appropriate level (now 24, he crushed bad Fall League pitching after the regular season)"

So not only have they not gotten a CF, but they traded their best CF prospect. Even if he is still a fringe player. Unreal. It'll be our luck they fix him.

[Nick]

FG top prospects for Rays came out (hopefully that means Marlins next), Misner ranked 11. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/tampa-ba...rospects-2022/

"By the middle of 2021...... Misner began performing on paper (.253/.355/.433 split between High- and Double-A) and had undergone a swing overhaul. His stance was narrowed and opened up, the angle of his bat as his hands load had changed, and his stride had shortened. While he’s still striking out a lot, the changes seem to have helped him get to more of his impressive raw power in games, and his speed gives him a real ability to play center field, creating some margin for error regarding the strikeouts. Misner still hasn’t performed at an age-appropriate level (now 24, he crushed bad Fall League pitching after the regular season)"

So not only have they not gotten a CF, but they traded their best CF prospect. Even if he is still a fringe player. Unreal. It'll be our luck they fix him.

Definitely very odd that they traded their two top pure CF prospects. (Misner, Scott) and failed to pick up any in an offseason where CF was their #1 need.

Not that Misner and Scott will be great, I have big time questions about both, but still puzzling.

[lou]

Definitely very odd that they traded their two top pure CF prospects. (Misner, Scott) and failed to pick up any in an offseason where CF was their #1 need.

Not that Misner and Scott will be great, I have big time questions about both, but still puzzling.

I think they expected it to be easier, they are clearly trying. However they either have over-inflated views of their guys, or the Marlins top 10 prospects are literally so fucking amazing it's hard to move the top few, or a third of them, to get something done. I lean to the former. They are still prospects and Hermida was better than all of these guys in the minors.

See above - so ask for Bednar and give them a sweet ass 4 player package of guys 2-12/15 in the farm system. And even better if three of them are Eury/Salas/Fulton as those guys are YEARS AND YEARS away so they have time to figure it out and they get the benefit of Meyer/Cabrera/etc. now.

[Nick]

I think the Marlins have just put themselves in a bad position leverage wise, 2 weeks from Opening Day. Pirates have no reason that they have to get rid of Reynolds now. They'll get all kinds of offers come Trade Deadline time. It makes sense that the Marlins wouldn't want to give up 2-3 Top 50/100 type prospects. The offseason was bungled, clearly, so badly that Jeter left for God's sake.

[Namaste]

Jeter got a C- grade from me. I’m glad he left. I didn’t want Castellanos anyway. Jeter’s Marlins legacy will be getting ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for Yelich (and we’ll wait and see on Realmuto).

[Nick]

Jeter got a C- grade from me. I’m glad he left. I didn’t want Castellanos anyway. Jeter’s Marlins legacy will be getting ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for Yelich (and we’ll wait and see on Realmuto).

I think he gets an F for being the deciding factor in getting another cheap ass owner here. Maybe D- for at least having better scouting and development than the Loria era, but really that was the bare minimum since things had gotten so bad under Loria.

[Namaste]

I only upgraded him to C- because we killed the Ozuna trade.

but you’re 100% right. I forgot that Jeter is a big reason why Jorge Mas is not our owner right now.

[rmc523]

I think he gets an F for being the deciding factor in getting another cheap ass owner here. Maybe D- for at least having better scouting and development than the Loria era, but really that was the bare minimum since things had gotten so bad under Loria.

Is that on him, though, or is that on MLB for pushing that way?

[lou]

I think he gets an F for being the deciding factor in getting another cheap ass owner here. Maybe D- for at least having better scouting and development than the Loria era, but really that was the bare minimum since things had gotten so bad under Loria.

But they even developed two MVPs, a future multiple cy young, and the best catcher in baseball (plus Ozuna and Anderson). Is it better? There is more depth for sure but while Sandy is good, he is not - yet - Stanton prime, Yelich prime, Fernandez, and Realmuto prime good. And Sandy was a trade. Rogers is good, but Scott? Misner? VVM? Bleday may be good?

Get a major CF for even a slight overpay and all is forgiven for me. I think Reynolds + Bednar makes this a playoff team.

[Nick]

Is that on him, though, or is that on MLB for pushing that way?

Fair point.