2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

They mentioned in yesterday's radio broadcast that they've told Cooper that he's not playing OF this year and that he should focus on 1st base and DH. I foresee a lot of Wendle-3B Anderson-LF

Id like that a lot actually if they arent gonna deal for a legit CF like Laureano.

C- Stallings
1b- Aguilar
2b- Jazz
SS- Rojas
3b- Wendle
LF- Sanchez/Garcia
CF- Agarcia/Sanchez
RF- Anderson
DH- Cooper

One caveat might be Anderson's shoulder after last year, but I liked him in RF a few years ago.

[fish16]

according to mish and jackson in their latest herald piece, this is likely the final team essentially. CF appears to be out because they couldn't agree to a laureano deal and they refused to deal both Meyer AND Watson for reynolds. for that I'm happy. that's way too much for Reynolds and I want to see how these pitching prospects pan out the next 3 months. I think there's a good chance a lot of these guys can boost their value up even higher and who knows with injuries, we might need all of them this year.

One thing that is disappointing is the bullpen. This is likely our pen and they arent going to make any other major additions. Another year of quality relievers signing for relatively dirt cheap amounts and we sit it out again. I can see the thought process in not giving out those big time, jansen type contracts, but 1-2 small additions can really help the overall bullpen and they continually refuse to add those small pieces to complete the pen.

[lou]

according to mish and jackson in their latest herald piece, this is likely the final team essentially. CF appears to be out because they couldn't agree to a laureano deal and they refused to deal both Meyer AND Watson for reynolds. for that I'm happy. that's way too much for Reynolds and I want to see how these pitching prospects pan out the next 3 months. I think there's a good chance a lot of these guys can boost their value up even higher and who knows with injuries, we might need all of them this year.

One thing that is disappointing is the bullpen. This is likely our pen and they arent going to make any other major additions. Another year of quality relievers signing for relatively dirt cheap amounts and we sit it out again. I can see the thought process in not giving out those big time, jansen type contracts, but 1-2 small additions can really help the overall bullpen and they continually refuse to add those small pieces to complete the pen.

What's disappointing is not getting a CF. I can appreciate moves 2-10 all making sense, but if you whiff on 1, you whiff on 1. I'm REALLY disappointed without a real CF and keeping all major trade assets. That is INSANE. Which is why they still get the benefit of the doubt till opening day. They can still fix that. Watson/Meyer would be fine for him, especially if there is not another top 15 or so prospect and maybe Bednar is in that deal also. I'd like to see the full package but it's whatever. It's hard to put into words how much of an upgrade Reynolds would be.

The bullpen is fine. They are a top 10 unit as-is. Put Cabrera in the pen to start the year and slowly stretch him out. Then Meyer and Sixto show up. Pop and Head are also underrated. They are solid. They could use a lefty, but maybe Okert was for real.

[lou]

They mentioned in yesterday's radio broadcast that they've told Cooper that he's not playing OF this year and that he should focus on 1st base and DH. I foresee a lot of Wendle-3B Anderson-LF

Interesting. Are they anticipating Soler in the OF at all? Basically, you're right if Soler isn't playing in the OF a little. Wendle will be a 5+ a week starter.

[sports24/7]

according to mish and jackson in their latest herald piece, this is likely the final team essentially. CF appears to be out because they couldn't agree to a laureano deal and they refused to deal both Meyer AND Watson for reynolds. for that I'm happy. that's way too much for Reynolds and I want to see how these pitching prospects pan out the next 3 months. I think there's a good chance a lot of these guys can boost their value up even higher and who knows with injuries, we might need all of them this year.

One thing that is disappointing is the bullpen. This is likely our pen and they arent going to make any other major additions. Another year of quality relievers signing for relatively dirt cheap amounts and we sit it out again. I can see the thought process in not giving out those big time, jansen type contracts, but 1-2 small additions can really help the overall bullpen and they continually refuse to add those small pieces to complete the pen.

It's really frustrating if they really are out on any of these potential deals for a CF. Interestingly the two names other than Reynolds they mention were Laureano and Teoscar Hernandez. When I said I felt pretty good at reading Mish's tea leaves, those were exactly the two names I guessed. It sounds like they still could revisit the Laureano deal, and I really think it would behoove them to do that, especially now that they have Soler. The Hernandez one is more frustrating, though. It sounds like Mish believes they were looking for a 3B and SP, and mentioned that something around Pablo and Anderson, plus probably some prospects was potentially something being discussed. He said this was one of the deals he felt was very close going into the lockout, and for whatever reason it wasn't completed. Then the Blue Jays sign Kikuchi then trade for and extend Chapman after the lockout ending that. After their whiffs at the deadline last year, and inability to get anything done this offseason, I'm very concerned about Kim Ng's ability to close deals.

[fish16]

What's disappointing is not getting a CF. I can appreciate moves 2-10 all making sense, but if you whiff on 1, you whiff on 1. I'm REALLY disappointed without a real CF and keeping all major trade assets. That is INSANE. Which is why they still get the benefit of the doubt till opening day. They can still fix that. Watson/Meyer would be fine for him, especially if there is not another top 15 or so prospect and maybe Bednar is in that deal also. I'd like to see the full package but it's whatever. It's hard to put into words how much of an upgrade Reynolds would be.

The bullpen is fine. They are a top 10 unit as-is. Put Cabrera in the pen to start the year and slowly stretch him out. Then Meyer and Sixto show up. Pop and Head are also underrated. They are solid. They could use a lefty, but maybe Okert was for real.

watson AND Meyer is a ridiculous price for reynolds. they are better off keeping those 2 then making that deal. That is just way too much for reynolds. look elsewhere if that's the price tag.

[Nick]

watson AND Meyer is a ridiculous price for reynolds. they are better off keeping those 2 then making that deal. That is just way too much for reynolds. look elsewhere if that's the price tag.

In retrospect if they wanted to only spend on Free Agency, they should've gotten either Chris Taylor for 4 years $65-$70 million or Starling Marte 4 years $78 million, and then picked up somebody like Joc Pederson. They would've ended up spending less money than they did on Soler and Garcia.

[lou]

watson AND Meyer is a ridiculous price for reynolds. they are better off keeping those 2 then making that deal. That is just way too much for reynolds. look elsewhere if that's the price tag.

It's not. However with the SP depth Marlins have, I'd not lead with Watson and lead with one of the other guys.

Eury/Meyer/Cabrera < - still have Sandy, Rogers, Pablo, Luzardo, two of them Sixto, Eder, and Hernandez
Sanchez/Bleday < - They will survive with Sanchez or Bleday in LF, Reynolds, Garcia, and Burdick off bench/DH longterm
Salas < - Who cares with Jazz and Watson, as well as Lewis, Morisette, and Nunez still around
Fulton < - See above
Jerar < - Feel free to swap with any 15-20 range prospect
DLC < - Pushed off team, nice flyer for them
Outside top 20 guy < - A little sugar on top

for

Reynolds
Bednar

We don't care about these prospects for two guys who had a 6.7 WAR last year, and projecting basically 5 WAR this year.

This catapults them to genuine playoff conversation and they STILL have a prospect war chest to move for a superstar (Correa?) at deadline if needed.

[fauowls44]

What's disappointing is not getting a CF. I can appreciate moves 2-10 all making sense, but if you whiff on 1, you whiff on 1. I'm REALLY disappointed without a real CF and keeping all major trade assets. That is INSANE. Which is why they still get the benefit of the doubt till opening day. They can still fix that. Watson/Meyer would be fine for him, especially if there is not another top 15 or so prospect and maybe Bednar is in that deal also. I'd like to see the full package but it's whatever. It's hard to put into words how much of an upgrade Reynolds would be.

The bullpen is fine. They are a top 10 unit as-is. Put Cabrera in the pen to start the year and slowly stretch him out. Then Meyer and Sixto show up. Pop and Head are also underrated. They are solid. They could use a lefty, but maybe Okert was for real.

On his latest podcast, Mish didn't make it sound as definite that they were necessarily out on getting a CF any time soon as the Herald article did. He basically said they are comfortable starting the year with Sanchez or Garcia playing center, not that any of these trades wouldn't be re-visited. He also said that since his article posted, he had people tell him that some of the stuff in there wasn't necessarily the case....but he said he trusts his reporting. So who really knows.

As for the bullpen, he mentioned that Will Stewart has been converted to a full time reliever and that multiple people have told him how good he has looked and they wouldn't be surprised if he was up with the team this year out of the pen. Also, Mattingly said this morning that Neidert is now a full time reliever, so that could be another interesting option. I can't see them doing the same with Cabrera now. He may as well start the season in AAA and get consistent starts.

[lou]

They also just announced Neidert is permanent shift to bullpen - cool.

So I think Cabrera is SP6, Poteet SP7, Garrett SP8, and Meyer SP9 to open the year, and Meyer moves up come July

[lou]

On his latest podcast, Mish didn't make it sound as definite that they were necessarily out on getting a CF any time soon as the Herald article did. He basically said they are comfortable starting the year with Sanchez or Garcia playing center, not that any of these trades wouldn't be re-visited. He also said that since his article posted, he had people tell him that some of the stuff in there wasn't necessarily the case....but he said he trusts his reporting. So who really knows.

As for the bullpen, he mentioned that Will Stewart has been converted to a full time reliever and that multiple people have told him how good he has looked and they wouldn't be surprised if he was up with the team this year out of the pen. Also, Mattingly said this morning that Neidert is now a full time reliever, so that could be another interesting option. I can't see them doing the same with Cabrera now. He may as well start the season in AAA and get consistent starts.

"Posturing" for the first

Cabrera should open in the bullpen for sure and increase workload as the season goes on. The Johan Santana plan. Depending on Luzardo/Meyer, maybe he stays there full time for at least this year and then build him up over the winter.

[fauowls44]

It's not. However with the SP depth Marlins have, I'd not lead with Watson and lead with one of the other guys.

Eury/Meyer/Cabrera < - still have Sandy, Rogers, Pablo, Luzardo, two of them Sixto, Eder, and Hernandez
Sanchez/Bleday < - They will survive with Sanchez or Bleday in LF, Reynolds, Garcia, and Burdick off bench/DH longterm
Salas < - Who cares with Jazz and Watson, as well as Lewis, Morisette, and Nunez still around
Fulton < - See above
Jerar < - Feel free to swap with any 15-20 range prospect
DLC < - Pushed off team, nice flyer for them
Outside top 20 guy < - A little sugar on top

for

Reynolds
Bednar

We don't care about these prospects for two guys who had a 6.7 WAR last year, and projecting basically 5 WAR this year.

This catapults them to genuine playoff conversation and they STILL have a prospect war chest to move for a superstar (Correa?) at deadline if needed.

Watson and Meyer feels like a lot to give up in a trade. I would certainly move 1 of them though...preferably Meyer because of the pitching depth. I feel like this is similar to the Yelich situation. Yelich I believe was under contract for 5 additional seasons and the Brewers gave up 1 top 100 prospect in the deal.

Meyer, Burdick or Bleday, Soriano (or another young pitcher), pick a low level MIF, and maybe DLC seems more than fair.

[fauowls44]

"Posturing" for the first

Cabrera should open in the bullpen for sure and increase workload as the season goes on. The Johan Santana plan. Depending on Luzardo/Meyer, maybe he stays there full time for at least this year and then build him up over the winter.

I don't hate it if you piggyback him on Eliser starts since he rarely goes more than 5 innings. You could go Eliser, Cabrera, and Bender in those games...

[Nick]

Apparently there's talk of expanded rosters at the beginning of the season (27 or 28) That would give us more flexibility to use Cabrera in that swing man role early in the season you would think.

[Lee Stone]

Don't think you realize how special Watson is looking to the organization. He's the best player on whatever field he steps out on. Salas is extremely promising. If the Marlins are going to be a great team in the next couple years, it will be because those players are in the Marlins lineup. I want all the pitchers too.