July 2019 Game Thread

[tjfla]

Should have signed Martin Maldonado!!! KC got Left-hander Mike Montgomery for him-lou's LR option

KC who is as bad as us have now traded 2 FA for 2 ML type guys who can help in future

[Namaste]

The Fangraphs downgrade of Sixto is concerning. Would they base that on him getting shelled in one recent outing?

[tjfla]

The Fangraphs downgrade of Sixto is concerning. Would they base that on him getting shelled in one recent outing?

No clue but they do updated stuff weekly so its possible. A few sites update stuff weekly so guys rise and fall alot. MLB,BA do stuff like 3 times a year

[CWB3]

The Fangraphs downgrade of Sixto is concerning. Would they base that on him getting shelled in one recent outing?

Sixto Sanchez, RHP, Marlins (60 FV to 55 FV):
Sanchez belongs in the 60 FV tier on stuff but injuries and the way he’s developed physically and athletically made us think there should be a clear line between him and the McKay/Gore/May/Whitley tier.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/we-adjus...ects-rankings/

[fish16]

i would agree that gore and whitley are a level above him, or at least gore is because whitley has had an injury plagued year. McKay id probably agree but he is close. May is around the same but he gets the slight edge due to his just phenomenal hair.

[lou]

Should have signed Martin Maldonado!!! KC got Left-hander Mike Montgomery for him-lou's LR option

KC who is as bad as us have now traded 2 FA for 2 ML type guys who can help in future

Montgomery is going to cost like $3+ million next year, but he does have 2 years of control so it's a good deal for them. I thought they should have signed Maldonado over the winter, but Wallach has been OK so who cares.

It shows Conley's value also, as Montgomery stinks too this year. They can probably get something OK for Conley as someone will gamble on a lefty. I think I still keep him next year at under $2 million (he's going to make shit in arbitration with this year) and see if he fixes himself this winter. That is of course unless they get multiple lefties.

Big picture, Marlins need at least two Colin Poche type relievers to match with the right handers. Maybe Urena gets one, and Rojas the other. That would be perfect.

[fish16]

Montgomery is going to cost like $3+ million next year, but he does have 2 years of control so it's a good deal for them. I thought they should have signed Maldonado over the winter, but Wallach has been OK so who cares.

It shows Conley's value also, as Montgomery stinks too this year. They can probably get something OK for Conley as someone will gamble on a lefty. I think I still keep him next year at under $2 million (he's going to make shit in arbitration with this year) and see if he fixes himself this winter. That is of course unless they get multiple lefties.

Big picture, Marlins need at least two Colin Poche type relievers to match with the right handers. Maybe Urena gets one, and Rojas the other. That would be perfect.

imagine what they could have gotten had they traded him last year at the height of his value like they should have rather than waiting till this year where hes only in the bigs still because he cant be sent down.

But joking aside, why are you so insistent on us needing lefty relievers so bad? Not criticizing, just honestly curious. IT seems like we already have a number of decent Lefty reliever options that are either relievers in AA or AAA right now or guys like Garrett or Rogers who could become lefty relievers if they arent in the rotation. That plus the LOOGY guy seems to be a dying breed in the current game.

[lou]

I can see the argument being made on Diaz since he's having such a monster year, but I just think Cabrera's on another level talent-wise from Gallen. I heard Cabera was hitting 99 on the gun in his last start at Jacksonville.

I think it's more about showing a third above average offering versus MPH gun. I'd love to see an article about what he's throwing, as he may just be wiping out minor leaguers with an above average fastball and OK secondary pitches. If he is flashing an above average changeup and slider, now we're talking.

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imagine what they could have gotten had they traded him last year at the height of his value like they should have rather than waiting till this year where hes only in the bigs still because he cant be sent down.

But joking aside, why are you so insistent on us needing lefty relievers so bad? Not criticizing, just honestly curious. IT seems like we already have a number of decent Lefty reliever options that are either relievers in AA or AAA right now or guys like Garrett or Rogers who could become lefty relievers if they arent in the rotation. That plus the LOOGY guy seems to be a dying breed in the current game.

Imagine if someone wanted him too.

As for lefties, they have Caleb, Garret, Rogers, Garcia, and maybe Stewart and Quijada but those guys are total crapshoots. No one else is flashing even a FV40 and none of us should care about last guys in the bullpen if they do get another fleeting reliever out of the current upper farm.

Ideally, they are going to have two lefty SP (or bulk relievers if they get smart and start using their personnel better) and three lefty RP. Remember, these guys built the Yankees bullpen and they are going to want a fleet of devastating arms to recreate that.

Right now they have 2 guys who should be good for their roles for a few years (Smith, Garcia), with a solid probability on 2 others who they'll at least give a chance on pedigree (Garrett, Rogers), and no one else is certain of anything else.

They need to add a bunch of lefties so the same way we think about Sixto, Pablo, and Gallen in the rotation, and Anderson, Elisier, Guzman, Holloway, and converting Richards/Sandy/Cabrera/others in the bullpen, there is the same numbers/redundancy with lefties. We don't have that. I mean, we might, but that's hitting 1.000.

Practically, this is focusing on a lot of bullpen lefties this trade deadline in AA/AAA/Rule V, drafting a lefty SP in top 2-3 picks in 2020 (as I think we can rely on Garrett, Rogers, and Stewart turning into 1 SP for now and can wait on another "big" one for down the road), and picking some college lefty relievers rounds 6-10 in 2020 that will move fast. This is probably keeping Conley too unless you get an opportunistic deal.

I'm not saying this is a big deal, but adding say 2 upper level lefties this deadline, and drafting 3 more in the draft with one of them being a higher pick, that will really help the system. It's a need.

Bats in free agency and trading SP excess when god willingly they have 7 SP 2020 trade deadline.

[Nick]

I think it's more about showing a third above average offering versus MPH gun. I'd love to see an article about what he's throwing, as he may just be wiping out minor leaguers with an above average fastball and OK secondary pitches. If he is flashing an above average changeup and slider, now we're talking.

Probably not the most unbiased source, but listening to the Fish Stripes podcast, one of the hosts had seen him pitch a couple times this year and they were raving about his changeup.

[tjfla]

Montgomery is going to cost like $3+ million next year, but he does have 2 years of control so it's a good deal for them. I thought they should have signed Maldonado over the winter, but Wallach has been OK so who cares.

It shows Conley's value also, as Montgomery stinks too this year. They can probably get something OK for Conley as someone will gamble on a lefty. I think I still keep him next year at under $2 million (he's going to make shit in arbitration with this year) and see if he fixes himself this winter. That is of course unless they get multiple lefties.

Big picture, Marlins need at least two Colin Poche type relievers to match with the right handers. Maybe Urena gets one, and Rojas the other. That would be perfect.

Ya Holaday/Wallach have been good. Just was saying could have gotten a LR like u liked if they had signed him

Alot of guys have some "value", they arent getting great returns but IFA $ and low level prospects is better than nothing

[fish16]

imagine if someone wanted conley? He was one of the most talked about relievers on the market last summer along with Barraclough aand Steckenride with the dodgers and indians specifically showing a ton of interest in Conley.

[tjfla]

imagine what they could have gotten had they traded him last year at the height of his value like they should have rather than waiting till this year where hes only in the bigs still because he cant be sent down.

But joking aside, why are you so insistent on us needing lefty relievers so bad? Not criticizing, just honestly curious. IT seems like we already have a number of decent Lefty reliever options that are either relievers in AA or AAA right now or guys like Garrett or Rogers who could become lefty relievers if they arent in the rotation. That plus the LOOGY guy seems to be a dying breed in the current game.

They have options like Jarlin,Quijada,Jeff Kinley,Lee,Mills,Castano,Vesia,Guenther but other than the first 2 none of them is 100% ML guys. All have something wrong. Rogers would have been a nice LHB option but he has looked great this year so SP option is likely

EVERY system needs C and LHP which is why u always see teams draft 4/5 C every year and tons of LHP

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imagine if someone wanted conley? He was one of the most talked about relievers on the market last summer along with Barraclough aand Steckenride with the dodgers and indians specifically showing a ton of interest in Conley.

Teams wanted him bad LY but this year not so much. He has gotten calls but mainly is teams 4th/5th option if they miss on Will Smith/others. LAD still have interest depending on price and if they miss on others. LY Miami was asking for Will Smith/Dustin May types for him

[lou]

imagine if someone wanted conley? He was one of the most talked about relievers on the market last summer along with Barraclough aand Steckenride with the dodgers and indians specifically showing a ton of interest in Conley.

I'd love to see the names of what was turned down. Lot's of phone calls for Riley Ferrell types doesn't mean they made a mistake.

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They have options like Jarlin,Quijada,Jeff Kinley,Lee,Mills,Castano,Vesia,Guenther but other than the first 2 none of them is 100% ML guys. All have something wrong. Rogers would have been a nice LHB option but he has looked great this year so SP option is likely

EVERY system needs C and LHP which is why u always see teams draft 4/5 C every year and tons of LHP

Right. None of that is exciting.

Castro, Urena, and Rojas type players should be getting them Holloway, Guzman, and Elisier type arms for the bullpen. It makes sense to target lefties. That's all.

[fish16]

I'd love to see the names of what was turned down. Lot's of phone calls for Riley Ferrell types doesn't mean they made a mistake.

of course they made a mistake. He's a reliever who was at the height of his value on a team that had no intention of competing for both last year, this year, and maybe even next year. They asked for too much. Whatever they were offered they should have taken rather than insisting on a guy like Mejia from the indians or May/Will Smith from the dodgers. There was 0 excuse not to trade him for the best offer they got last year rather than keeping a guy on a team with no intention of competing at the most volatile position in the sport at a position where we have a rather large surplus of options for the next few years.

[lou]

Is this also a good time to mention Nick Wittgren has a .7 WAR in 35 innings and what the hell were they thinking when he had an option?

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of course they made a mistake. He's a reliever who was at the height of his value on a team that had no intention of competing for both last year, this year, and maybe even next year. They asked for too much. Whatever they were offered they should have taken rather than insisting on a guy like Mejia from the indians or May/Will Smith from the dodgers. There was 0 excuse not to trade him for the best offer they got last year rather than keeping a guy on a team with no intention of competing at the most volatile position in the sport.

He had 3 years of control and was showing big time potential, the bold is patently wrong.