June Game Thread

[fish16]

Asked and answered. The bats are on fire. Also helps that jimmy nelson is pitching in the bigs for the first time in 2 years.

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holy shit i didnt even realize that was a grand slam. thought that was a 3 run homer. Good to see andy with some pop the last few nights after a super slow start to the year. If he and castro can get going and just regress to their mean in a positive way this could be really be something.

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after watching that replay, i dont think nelson could have placed that pitch any more down the middle if he tried

[fish16]

sandy has settled down really nicely after a shaky start. Hope he makes me eat my words of an upcoming big inning

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this defense has been unbelievable tonight.

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sandy is now locked in because wtf do i know. You can tell when he's got it when his pitch count is efficient like it currently is.

[fish16]

great outing thus far for our #5 ceilinged Alcantara. Great way to settle down after a rough start.

[geemoney]

I read somewhere recently the Marlins are in the top five for biggest difference in infield shifting compared to last year. I wonder how much that has to do with the improved numbers by the starters.

[fish16]

The Marlins scored 105 runs in their first 41 games.

They have now scored 99 runs in their last 17 games.

Tweet from will manso last night. Unbelievable. Straight up doubled our run total from the first 41 games over the last 18.

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at the risk of being way too reactive- this team is pretty fucking decent. This rebuild has turned the corner over the last month at the minor league and major league level.

[Nick]

I too thought it was going to be a long outing for Sandy after those 1st two innings. Fantastic turnaround.

[Namaste]

at the risk of being way too reactive- this team is pretty fucking decent.

They’ve played great the last 3 weeks and they still have the worst record in the National League.

[fish16]

They’ve played great the last 3 weeks and they still have the worst record in the National League.

ya, their offense was historically bad for the first month. im not saying they are going to make the playoffs, im saying that if this offense is even average or slightly below average, they have a group of 5 starting pitchers currently that are all pretty good to decent and give us a chance to win every single day. that's not something we have been able to say for at least 10 years, possibly since 2003 or maybe 2006. Plus they have more on the way immediately and in the next few years. This pitching situation is unbelievably encouraging both in the majors and minors.

There are very few teams whose 5 man group doesnt really have a hole like ours does. Not saying any of them are aces, but go look at some of the rotations around the league, almost every single one has at least 1-2 guys who probably shouldnt be in a major league rotation. Ive been saying for going on 2 years how rare the kind of quality depth we are building is and how huge that can be to our future.

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the league has adjusted to anderson's offspeed stuff and he needs to make the next adjustment. he's been very inconsistent for a while now.

[lou]

my point is they are both around the same player to me, and didi is going to get paid significantly more and he's not going to be worth any thing close to what he will get, especially translated to our park. Id rather save money, go with the shorter term and safer deal, and then see if you can get lindor in a few years and if not, draft one or hope devers/johnson/nunez pans out.

Well I don't think they are the same player at all, but we can leave it at that. I also don't think there will be a large cash delta between the two of them.

However, the time to save money is over. They are going to have 20 players on this team and Chen costing $35-40 million next year. The pitching staff might be great. They are getting regulars out of Anderson, Alfaro, maybe Diaz, Cooper, Brinson, and Ramirez. The bullpen should have a few pieces with Anderson, Steck coming back healthy, and some collection of Elisier, Brigham, etc. Their is serious depth in the minors with Monte, Sixton, Guzman, Cabrera, and Holloway types.

You want to develop the kids? Start showing the fan base you care? Sign two longterm free agents and three Walker/Romo/Rojas types and fill out that roster. Your payroll will be bottom 5 in baseball still and your TV deal is coming.

Saving money? For what? Maybe signing a guy for 2022 with a payroll under $40 million in 2020?

[fish16]

coming into the night we were 9th in the league in starters ERA. and i think our best 2-3 SP prospects for the future arent even in the majors right now.

[lou]

coming into the night we were 9th in the league in starters ERA. and i think our best 2-3 SP prospects for the future arent even in the majors right now.

You are making my argument for me - the time to spend is now this offseason

[fish16]

Well I don't think they are the same player at all, but we can leave it at that. I also don't think there will be a large cash delta between the two of them.

However, the time to save money is over. They are going to have 20 players on this team and Chen costing $35-40 million next year. The pitching staff might be great. They are getting regulars out of Anderson, Alfaro, maybe Diaz, Cooper, Brinson, and Ramirez. The bullpen should have a few pieces with Anderson, Steck coming back healthy, and some collection of Elisier, Brigham, etc. Their is serious depth in the minors with Monte, Sixton, Guzman, Cabrera, and Holloway types.

You want to develop the kids? Start showing the fan base you care? Sign two longterm free agents and three Walker/Romo/Rojas types and fill out that roster. Your payroll will be bottom 5 in baseball still and your TV deal is coming.

Saving money? For what? Maybe signing a guy for 2022 with a payroll under $40 million in 2020?

saving money because spending money for the sake of spending money on veterans is an awful way to run a franchise. You dont spend money on a guy who you know isnt worth it at the time for the sake of proving something to your fanbase.

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You are making my argument for me - the time to spend is now this offseason

I agree. I just think didi for what he will get is not a good use of it. I prefer stop gaps or shorter term deals unless the player is actually worth the money. Id sign Ozuna for 4 years, and Andrus and Abreu for 2.

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im not saying them signing Didi is an automatic no from me, im basing my opinion on what i think he will get as a free agent coming from the yankees. For the right price im fine with it. My point is you dont say "we need to sign X, y, and Z" regardless of price. That's how you get into the situation where you're giving guys like Chen big money. Every single deal needs to be with the overall strategy in mind. You do not overpay for the sake of saying you signed free agents to your fans. that's how bad teams do business. You continue to build the right way and the fans will come back when your good team building strategy works out over the long term.

Signing a "werth" type guy isnt worth it if it is for the sole purpose of trying to show your fans that you are committed. Idk how many times we have to go through this before we realize the only way we will draw fans back here is with a good team. And i dont think signing Didi for what I think he will get is the best or quickest way to make us into a good team.

[lou]

saving money because spending money for the sake of spending money on veterans is an awful way to run a franchise. You dont spend money on a guy who you know isnt worth it at the time for the sake of proving something to your fanbase.

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I agree. I just think didi for what he will get is not a good use of it. I prefer stop gaps or shorter term deals unless the player is actually worth the money. Id sign Ozuna for 4 years, and Andrus and Abreu for 2.

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im not saying them signing Didi is an automatic no from me, im basing my opinion on what i think he will get as a free agent coming from the yankees. For the right price im fine with it. My point is you dont say "we need to sign X, y, and Z" regardless of price. That's how you get into the situation where you're giving guys like Chen big money. Every single deal needs to be with the overall strategy in mind. You do not overpay for the sake of saying you signed free agents to your fans. that's how bad teams do business. You continue to build the right way and the fans will come back when your good team building strategy works out over the long term.

Signing a "werth" type guy isnt worth it if it is for the sole purpose of trying to show your fans that you are committed. Idk how many times we have to go through this before we realize the only way we will draw fans back here is with a good team. And i dont think signing Didi for what I think he will get is the best or quickest way to make us into a good team.

Spending money just to spend is band-aiding with Andrus and Abreu and hoping you luck into contending with older declining players. That's what they have done and failed with, with Bell and Buck. It will not work.

They need to guns blaze, middle fingers up to the rest of baseball, overpay Rendon (or Gerrit Cole) and sign a good Robin like Didi (and I will give you Ozuna even if I am reluctant with the amount of OF they have, he is a quality player. That's really it for the whole class), and then sign the equivalent of Walker/Romo/Granderson for whatever spots they need to fill out the roster and not have guys like Herrea and O'Brien around.

The need to make a statement for the club, the fan base, other players.

Or wait until 2022 if they don't believe in what they have.

[fish16]

Spending money just to spend is band-aiding with Andrus and Abreu and hoping you luck into contending with older declining players. That's what they have done and failed with, with Bell and Buck. It will not work.

They need to guns blaze, middle fingers up to the rest of baseball, overpay Rendon (or Gerrit Cole) and sign a good Robin like Didi (and I will give you Ozuna even if I am reluctant with the amount of OF they have, he is a quality player. That's really it for the whole class), and then sign the equivalent of Walker/Romo/Granderson for whatever spots they need to fill out the roster and not have guys like Herrea and O'Brien around.

The need to make a statement for the club, the fan base, other players.

Or wait until 2022 if they don't believe in what they have.

Heath bell and john buck is an absurd comparison to Elvis Andrus and Jose Abreu. Both have proven track records and are performing to their track records whereas buck was coming off by far his career year and any money spent on a closer is usually foolish, but especially heath bell who had a documented decrease in performance and velocity the year prior to us signing him. Also, im advocating for short term deals with those guys as opposed to the bell and buck deals which i think was each 3 years + if i recall correctly. My overall philosophy is that you dont give guys longterm money that you know arent worth it right off the bat. You continue to make smart investments that will improve you immediately without the possibility of breaking the bank long term and completely fucking you as a small market team for years to come.

Im fine with spending huge money on a guy like Rendon or even to a lesser extent Cole, I just find Didi to be completely overrated based on what he is going to get. And its not like we have absolutely nothing at the position for years to come. Devers is a potential top 100 guy come the end of this year who will be in AA next year. He's probably ready by the beginning to middle of 2021 if he keeps up his current development.

And no, they dont need to make any "statement" to the fan base. They need to continue with the plan of building a smart and sustainable franchise in this market. How many different gimmicks and "going for it" signings does this team have to strike out on before we stop trying to make the splashy move that will inevitably not bring in any more fans if it doesnt directly contribute to a winning team? Nothing is bringing fans out to the ballpark in miami aside from a winning team. IDK how many times we have to make a splashy move and have it not make any difference in attendance before fans start to realize this.

[Nick]

Conley can go.