June Game Thread

[Lee Stone]

I'd still rather Dean be getting PT over Granderson. We're not getting anything for .186 hitting Granderson. Dean has been bad in the majors for sure, but I'd like to see what he could do if they just said for the next 2 months or so, LF is yours every day, let's see what you can do.

I'd also cut Prado loose and replace him with Yadiel Rivera. For that matter, Rivera rated a call up more than Riddle.

[rmc523]

I'd also cut Prado loose and replace him with Yadiel Rivera. For that matter, Rivera rated a call up more than Riddle.

Rivera? Really?

[fish16]

I'd still rather Dean be getting PT over Granderson. We're not getting anything for .186 hitting Granderson. Dean has been bad in the majors for sure, but I'd like to see what he could do if they just said for the next 2 months or so, LF is yours every day, let's see what you can do.

Id give Granderson a little more time to see if he can hit a few homers and fetch us some IFA cash. He will have some value if he gets that average up just a little to where its been the last few years and can hit a few homers (which he is certainly capable of) and get his OPS above .700. He hasnt been nearly as bad as people are acting (although admittedly he hasnt been good), and he's still been significantly better than Dean. Id give Granderson another month as starter, see if he can get hot and raise his numbers a little and try to get some IFA cash for him.

then id call Brinson back up at the beginning of July if he is still hitting well or Monte if he is healthy and starts to mash for a few weeks again. Dean has done nothing in his first 168 MLB at bats to indicate he is a major league player, and he has been even worse in his second go around this year than he was in his first stint at the end of last year, albeit in a smaller sample size. He isnt someone who deserves playing time at this point.

- - - - - - - - - -

I'd also cut Prado loose and replace him with Yadiel Rivera. For that matter, Rivera rated a call up more than Riddle.

Id cut prado too actually, but not for Yadiel Rivera. Why do you love career minor leaguers with no hope of ever being productive major leaguers so much?

[tjfla]

I'd still rather Dean be getting PT over Granderson. We're not getting anything for .186 hitting Granderson. Dean has been bad in the majors for sure, but I'd like to see what he could do if they just said for the next 2 months or so, LF is yours every day, let's see what you can do.

Neither Prado or Grandy will be DFA before Aug 1. Gonna play till 7/31 then traded or DFA

Grandy brought Demi Orimoloye back LY. Ill take a 21 yr old in A Ball for him or some IFA cash

Prado is gonna be traded with some cash for something. Watch NYY

Win a few games and now everyone wants the plan thrown out the window HAHAHA. DFA everyone and bring up new guys now? Whole idea of signing Grandy/Walker/Romo and playing Prado is to raise value

[fish16]

Neither Prado or Grandy will be DFA before Aug 1. Gonna play till 7/31 then traded or DFA

Grandy brought Demi Orimoloye back LY. Ill take a 21 yr old in A Ball for him or some IFA cash

He also hasnt been nearly as bad as everyone is saying. He still has some pop in his bat and draws a decent amount of walks and is a great clubhouse guy. He is a few home runs away from being right where you'd expect him to be coming into the year.

- - - - - - - - - -

Prado isnt being traded for anything. That's a guy id be fine with just cutting. He really doesnt provide you anything anymore other than a clubhouse leadership type guy. He is a shell of himself.

[tjfla]

U guys realize that if u trade

Prado for 250K
Grandy for 250K
Castro and cash for 500K

that equals 1 Million and probably helps us get Yo Sanchez or Cappe right?

We are asking for IFA in EVERY trade from what I am hearing

[fish16]

U guys realize that if u trade

Prado for 250K
Grandy for 250K
Castro and cash for 500K

that equals 1 Million and probably helps us get Yo Sanchez or Cappe right?

We are asking for IFA in EVERY trade from what I am hearing

Im fine with trying, but i just dont see a team giving up IFA cash for prado given that he looks completely done and every single other team knows what you already said- that we will cut him right after the trade deadline. He just doesnt provide any value any more. But maybe you get a team like we used to be who just doesnt care about IFA and is willing to throw it in the trash for some veteran leadership. I doubt it though.

[tjfla]

Im fine with trying, but i just dont see a team giving up IFA cash for prado given that he looks completely done and every single other team knows what you already said- that we will cut him right after the trade deadline. He just doesnt provide any value any more. But maybe you get a team like we used to be who just doesnt care about IFA and is willing to throw it in the trash for some veteran leadership. I doubt it though.

Agreed if Aug 1 comes and on team still u DFA him but until then no.

[Nick]

Neither Prado or Grandy will be DFA before Aug 1. Gonna play till 7/31 then traded or DFA

Grandy brought Demi Orimoloye back LY. Ill take a 21 yr old in A Ball for him or some IFA cash

Prado is gonna be traded with some cash for something. Watch NYY

Win a few games and now everyone wants the plan thrown out the window HAHAHA. DFA everyone and bring up new guys now? Whole idea of signing Grandy/Walker/Romo and playing Prado is to raise value

Yep, we're getting something for Granderson and Prado, just like we were going to get something for Bryan Holaday last year, right? Sometimes you just gotta cut your losses. We're paying them the same amount whether we release them now or release them in August.

As bad as Dean has been his MLB OPS is only 50 points lower than Granderson's OPS this year in a similar number of ABs. It wouldn't be a huge loss, and there's a good chance Dean improves on those numbers with consistent playing time.

[fish16]

Yep, we're getting something for Granderson and Prado, just like we were going to get something for Bryan Holaday last year, right? Sometimes you just gotta cut your losses. We're paying them the same amount whether we release them now or release them in August.

As bad as Dean has been his MLB OPS is only 50 points lower than Granderson's OPS this year in a similar number of ABs. It wouldn't be a huge loss, and there's a good chance Dean improves on those numbers with consistent playing time.

Prado i agree with. rGranderson can absolutely still get you some IFA cash with a 2 week hot streak. He's still shown some power and teams will give up a little IFA cash for him as a lefty 4th or 5th OF off their bench. I just dont think Dean is a MLB starter. I've seen absolutely nothing from him in the 2 years he's been up here that indicates any kind of major league bat, especially for a guy who is a corner outfielder.

[Nick]

Prado i agree with. rGranderson can absolutely still get you some IFA cash with a 2 week hot streak. He's still shown some power and teams will give up a little IFA cash for him as a lefty 4th or 5th OF off their bench. I just dont think Dean is a MLB starter. I've seen absolutely nothing from him in the 2 years he's been up here that indicates any kind of major league bat, especially for a guy who is a corner outfielder.

I don't think he is either, but we have the luxury of being able to give him the chance. He's only 25, killer AAA numbers, why not? Instead of playing a 38-year old OF'er and hoping and praying he'll play well enough to get you $250K in IFA money. Even if this MLB run only helps him become a 4th OF it'd be worth way more than that.

[fish16]

I don't think he is either, but we have the luxury of being able to give him the chance. He's only 25, killer AAA numbers, why not? Instead of playing a 38-year old OF'er and hoping and praying he'll play well enough to get you $250K in IFA money. Even if this MLB run only helps him become a 4th OF it'd be worth way more than that.

fair enough, id give Granderson at least another 3-4 weeks though and then if its more of the same then you can make him a bench bat. I think with walker out you can get all of Cooper, Dean, and Ramirez ab's on top of Granderson though.

[Nick]

It was the biggest inning by a team that entered the day last in MLB in runs per game in June or later since the Boston Bees had an 11-run first inning on Aug. 25, 1936.

lol

[lou]

Rivera? Really?

If you have a hot month in AAA, you're a top 10 prospect in the Marlins system for Lee

- - - - - - - - - -

fair enough, id give Granderson at least another 3-4 weeks though and then if its more of the same then you can make him a bench bat. I think with walker out you can get all of Cooper, Dean, and Ramirez ab's on top of Granderson though.

I agree with this. Granderson isn't great, but I think he gets June. He could get hot and turn into a little IFA cash for a team that doesn't intend to spend it or a fringe LHP bullpen prospect like Mills.

Prado is done. I don't care that he got a few hits last few games. They should DFA him as soon as Walker or Berti is back.

I just want this Aug 1:

Alfaro, Wallach
Cooper, O'Brien (I guess?)
Diaz
Riddle
Anderson, Berti
Dean
Brinson, Herrera (Also I guess?)
H. Ramirez

Then replace O'Brien, Herrera, and Berti in the offseason with.... Anthony Rendon, Didi Gregorious, and "Neil Walker type." That's how you do it.

[emkayseven]

I could see Didi but no way we are signing Rendon. Every team will be in on him, we’ll have to overpay even more than the Werth type contract, and even then he may not come here.