Season Super Game Thread

[tjfla]

Am I the only one who's not enamored with Mejia? If he doesn't stick at catcher, his value goes down significantly, no?

I don't see why Miami wouldn't eat money in trading guys like Ziegler, Castro, and Prado. They dumped so much money already, that this shouldn't even be a question. Eat the money, and get the prospects.

I wouldn't trade Urena unless someone is paying for upside, which I wouldn't anticipate. You'd be selling low on him right now, and at worst, he's a rotation arm that gets you through the next couple of years. At best, he uses his stuff better and increases his value.

They are willing to eat Ziegler's cash and some of Castro's. Prado AND Castro have zero interest around the league

They are banking on a bad SP market hoping someone overpay on Urena or if its NYY then Denbo can get some of the young guys he really likes in the Miami system

He isn't going to win any Gold Gloves but solid behind the plate and Mejia's hit tool is ++. Power isn't there yet but is 5'10 180 so maybe he gets more. Its about adding talent don't forget if u get Mejia and resign JT u can play 1 at 1B too.

[Nick]

They are willing to eat Ziegler's cash and some of Castro's. Prado AND Castro have zero interest around the league

They are banking on a bad SP market hoping someone overpay on Urena or if its NYY then Denbo can get some of the young guys he really likes in the Miami system

He isn't going to win any Gold Gloves but solid behind the plate and Mejia's hit tool is ++. Power isn't there yet but is 5'10 180 so maybe he gets more. Its about adding talent don't forget if u get Mejia and resign JT u can play 1 at 1B too.

What an incredible waste of resources this would be.

[sports24/7]

He isn't going to win any Gold Gloves but solid behind the plate and Mejia's hit tool is ++. Power isn't there yet but is 5'10 180 so maybe he gets more. Its about adding talent don't forget if u get Mejia and resign JT u can play 1 at 1B too.

I get that it's about adding talent, but that talent is minimized if you move either to 1B. From what I've seen Mejia's hit tool is a plus (I think plus, plus is overstating it), but wouldn't be standout. Also, it seems like if he moves off of catcher, it would be 3B because of his arm. Apparently that's where the Indians have been trying him out.

Either way, I'm happy if that's the return, but I'm not sure I'd be holding out for him if you can get a good package around McKenzie, or something from another team.

[tjfla]

I get that it's about adding talent, but that talent is minimized if you move either to 1B. From what I've seen Mejia's hit tool is a plus (I think plus, plus is overstating it), but wouldn't be standout. Also, it seems like if he moves off of catcher, it would be 3B because of his arm. Apparently that's where the Indians have been trying him out.

Either way, I'm happy if that's the return, but I'm not sure I'd be holding out for him if you can get a good package around McKenzie, or something from another team.

Could play him at C but JT there
Could play him at 3B but BA will likely be there
Could play him in Corners but Brian Miller and/or Monte should be up by 2020

Agreed I would jump on McKenzie and 3/4 more for Bearclaw and DD but like said they are hoping Cleveland gets jumpy if NYY,Boston or Houston make a big splash and says fine Mejia it is. Just hope we don't get to cute and they take McKenzie off the table

They are doing same thing they did with Washington and JT-got offer of Kieboom and 3/4 others for JT however told them don't call unless it is Soto OR Robles

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What an incredible waste of resources this would be.

Best fans ever

Complain when we don't hold out for a Top Prospect in a trade and Complain when we do hold out for 1

[Nick]

Best fans ever

Complain when we don't hold out for a Top Prospect in a trade and Complain when we do hold out for 1

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. If Mejia plays any other position he's not a top prospect, that's the point. The thing that makes him valuable is his ability to play Catcher.

If Mejia's not playing catcher McKenzie is easily the better prospect. (and may be the better prospect either way)

[lou]

Best fans ever

Complain when we don't hold out for a Top Prospect in a trade and Complain when we do hold out for 1

I know a lot of people give you shit here, but this is pretty unfair

[fish16]

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. If Mejia plays any other position he's not a top prospect, that's the point. The thing that makes him valuable is his ability to play Catcher.

If Mejia's not playing catcher McKenzie is easily the better prospect. (and may be the better prospect either way)

You're wrong here on Mejia not being a top prospect if he's not a catcher. Mejia's hit tool will make him a good player regardless of his position. Obviously he is a higher ranked prospect as a catcher, but that guy has an elite hit tool. Mckenzie is the better prospect though in my opinion.

[fish16]

Man if we could get Mckenzie for Bearclaw that really would be such a good move for a rebuilding team, regardless of whether Mckenzie fulfills his potential. The guy looks like a legit top of the rotation arm which we dont really have in the organization. IF you can get him, you pull the trigger immediately and dont look back.

[Nick]

You're wrong here on Mejia not being a top prospect if he's not a catcher. Mejia's hit tool will make him a good player regardless of his position. Obviously he is a higher ranked prospect as a catcher, but that guy has an elite hit tool. Mckenzie is the better prospect though in my opinion.

Can someone explain to me what an elite hit tool is?

This must've been what I was missing back when I played as a youngster, if only I'd known there was a hit tool.

Guy has a sub .800 OPS in the minors in 1800+ ABs, so he might want to upgrade that hit tool.

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Right now, Mejia's numbers remind me of a Starlin Castro type. Yeah Starlin Castro, the guy tj keeps telling me we couldn't get rid of even if we paid teams to take him.

[fish16]

Can someone explain to me what an elite hit tool is?

This must've been what I was missing back when I played as a youngster, if only I'd known there was a hit tool.

Guy has a sub .800 OPS in the minors in 1800+ ABs, so he might want to upgrade that hit tool.

He's also been very young for most leagues he's been in. The last 2 years he's had an .896 and .835 OPS in the upper minors despite that young age, and his career numbers are brought down by a .670 OPS in 400 AB's in 2015. His hit tool is also elite because he has a very low K rate. He can be a good 1b or an elite catcher.

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That said though, I still much prefer McKenzie. Ace potential. Elite minor league numbers all around.

[sports24/7]

From an ESPN article about the players in the Futures Game:

As a catcher, ZiPS sees Mejia approaching league average in 2019, hitting .262/.310/.435 for the Indians. But there's a complication: The Indians like the defense of Yan Gomes and Roberto Perez better, and Mejia's stints at third base and in the outfield have been less than successful.


If Mejia ends up a successful catcher, it might be in a different uniform. In the outfield, ZiPS is less sanguine about his chances, projecting Mejia to hit only league average in his prime. There's a bit of Miguel Montero Syndrome here, in which his minor league performances become a lot less exciting if you don't consider him a catcher, even given the boost that young players frequently see from moving out from behind the plate.

This idea that he loses value if he moves off of catcher is not a made up one. He's not very big and any power is all projection at this point. Again, the hitting is elevated because he's a catcher. At 3B, and especially 1B he loses value considerably.

[fish16]

From an ESPN article about the players in the Futures Game:



This idea that he loses value if he moves off of catcher is not a made up one. He's not very big and any power is all projection at this point. Again, the hitting is elevated because he's a catcher. At 3B, and especially 1B he loses value considerably.

Any power is not all projection at this point. He's had around .500 slugging percentage each of the last 2 years and around 20 hr pace per 162 games as well. For a catcher he has more thnn enough power. And again, he's been young for each level he's been at.

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I really want Nolan Jones though. He would be a great fit in our system given our needs currently and our time frame for contention.

[fish16]

Can we take a moment to acknowledge that we sold high on almost every guy we traded last offseason with the exception of Yelich? Gordon and Ozuna have been straight bad and Stanton has not been anything close to what he was last year. Not that it ever had validity, but the whole "just add 2 SP's and we're a contender" would have been a disaster, not only because of those players regression but also because every SP that was talked about have been fairly terrible.

[Namaste]

Man if we could get Mckenzie for Bearclaw that really would be such a good move for a rebuilding team, regardless of whether Mckenzie fulfills his potential.

I read this like 3 times and my head almost exploded.

[fish16]

I read this like 3 times and my head almost exploded.

Process > Result. Every single time. You trade a reliever having a great year on a non contending team about to head into arbitration for a potential ace every time because it is the right move regardless of the outcome in the years to come. Not that complicated.