Season Super Game Thread

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Jon MorosiVerified account @jonmorosi

While #Indians have discussed Manny Machado with #Orioles, their primary focus is addressing the bullpen. #Marlins among their potential trading partners on relievers. @MLBNetwork @MLB

Miami pushing hard for Mejia in talks for DD and a RP. Likely will have to take McKenzie and more which have balked on so far

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Is it the .216 slugging percentage all these teams are in love with?

Yep exactly what they love

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Really hope Milwaukee gets Machado. They have an offer of Corbin Burnes,Arcia and Phillips or Broxton(Bowden said Broxton/someone else said Phillips)

If they get him they will still need arms and means other teams have to add to. Crazy price to pay for a rental

[lou]

McKenzie, FV45, and two FV40 gets that done quick for Barraclough and Dietrich for me. Willie Castro (SS) makes some sense as the second player considering they have Lindor and a better minor league SS (Chang).

Mejia is ridiculous. They need to get off that horse unless Realmuto is involved.

[Nick]

McKenzie, Chang, Ernie Clement and Eric Haase for Barraclough and Dietrich.

That'd get it done for me.

[fish16]

Anything with Mckenzie gets it done for Barraclough for me. 1 for 1 straight up. Worth the risk IMO. Saw Frisaro say he wouldnt do that and that we would be overpaying and it further strengthened my conviction that it would be a good move. Seems like we are destined for at least baraclough headed to Cleveland given that he is controllable and they have a ot of free agents after the year. Because of their impending free agents i could see them giving up a big time prospect like Mckenzie to shore up their bullpen to make a run.

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If we cant get Mckenzie though id love a package headlined by Nolan Jones. Power lefty infield bat would be exactly what this system could use. Maybe its just me but Cheng doesnt do much for me.

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BTW Frisaro also said today its unlikely we sign Gaston but a possibility we get Victor Victor which, needless to say, would be fucking awesome. Would instantly be the best hitting prospect we have by far.

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Also I know ive mentioned before, but for those of you on twitter, is there any bigger douche on twitter than Frisaro? Guy acts like he's this unbelievable baseball mind with a plethora of inside sources for the marlins despite the fact that he never breaks any stories and he consistently says shit that shows he has a complete lack of understanding of how valuable certain players/positions are

[flamarlins93]

Honestly fish16 whoever the Marlins acquire in any trade you will come around to like the trade once you hear the Joe Frisaro / Mike Hill spin on what they get.

If they make a trade with Cleveland I hope they are able to get Luis Oviedo included in any deal.

I won't believe that they will sign any big name IFA until I see it. Everyone talked up them signing the big armed Cuban Gaston and it looks like that fell thru. Still talk that Victor Victor won't be cleared until next year. If that is the case I would almost bet he will sign elsewhere.

I hate Joe Frisaro. He really needs to go but I don't see it happening. He adamantly defends every move the team makes and writes whatever they tell him to. I wish they would move on from him and Glenn Geffner.

[Erick]

https://www.mlb.com/marlins/news/mar...rs/c-285355000

I bet they don’t trade any of the top 3. Stuff like this is why this team is destined to continue losing.

[Ralph]

https://www.mlb.com/marlins/news/mar...rs/c-285355000

I bet they don’t trade any of the top 3. Stuff like this is why this team is destined to continue losing.

They better. It’d be a Loria type move not to do it. And that would just show me that Mike Hill is just using him as a scapegoat for his failures.

[lou]

They better. It’d be a Loria type move not to do it. And that would just show me that Mike Hill is just using him as a scapegoat for his failures.

Yep, there is no reason to not move at least Ziegler, Barraclough, and Dietrich at a minimum. All are performing well (at least as of late) and they can very likely get solid deals for them as 2nd/3rd tier players that won't break a team prospect wise.

-Dietrich only has 2 years of control left where they aren't going to contend and cost probably at least $10 million bucks. He's good, but there is more value hopefully identifying a good young player and using that money elsewhere (i.e. a dumptruck of money to Realmuto).
-Barraclough they somehow re-tendered at $1.13 million last year according to Cots, so his arbitration is going to be at least 3-3.5 times that amount with the saves he's getting. Plus being all world at the moment. He's probably at his max value as a RP right now pre-arbitration to move at a deadline.
-Zielger is obvious. Throwing well lately, a contender will love him as a 4th/5th RP out of the pen, especially if Marlins eat some money.

There are definitely some problems with moving the rest, both good and bad:

-Realmuto - need a substantial package, and I guess hope exists to sign longterm. 2 years of control.
-Bour - Only contender who really needs a 1B is Colorado, and they have other younger bodies (McMahon). 2 years of control.
-Castro - Big contract to move, may have to eat money.
-Rojas - Won't get a lot for a player like him, so why not just keep him with low 2B/SS depth at AAA/MLB levels. 2 years of control.
-Prado - Unmoveable contract unless Marlins hit 75%+ of it, so why not keep him and see if he ever gets healthy to move next year?
-Maybin - Probably not a significant enough upgrade for anyone
-Straily - Better lately, but may not be at maximum value from health so might be worth keeping as he will have 2 years of control left
-Urena - Looks like taking a step forward with increase K rate, decrease BB rate, increase GB%, etc. Don't think this is a guy people will view as ascending and think it'll be a "low ball" deal to try and get an improved 4/5 SP. Might be worth to keep to be at minimum, innings anchor for next year as presumably Alcantara, Neidert, and someone from Richards/Gallen/Pablo/Peters will be in opening day rotation. 3 years of control.
-Chen - Absolutely unmoveable contract
-Conley - Small sample size showing as a reliever, might be selling really low if he turns into a poor man's Hand. 4 years of control after this, will be Super2 though
-Steckenrider - 5 years of club control after this year, and has big time potential with peripherals. Fits into a future contending window

At the end of the day, I think this is just some posturing so the Marlins look publicly at being strong and not desperate to move anyone. I think we all agree that is a little silly considering it's clear the team is in a rebuild and all of these guys don't necessarily fit into that.

I think Ziegler, Barraclough, and Dietrich are locks to be moved, and I think they will end up eating money on Castro in an OK but not very impressive deal (which is fine), trading Maybin to someone for nothing (maybe an August waiver deal), and moving Straily because someone will want a SP and he has a good enough track record where if he's healthy and doing what he's done last few starts, someone will trust him. Right now, I don't see someone paying the price for Realmuto, Bour, Urena, Conley, or Steckenrider given their production/years of control, no need to move Rojas, and Prado/Chen are unmoveable.

Second half won't look completely disgusting and it'll be fun to see some of the kids. This would be totally fine to me:

C - Realmuto, Holaday/Wallach/Telis
1B - Bour
2B - Rojas, Rivera/"TBD backup MI, Adames?"
SS - Riddle
3B - Anderson, Prado
LF - Dean
CF - Brinson, Ortega/Lee/Sierra
RF - Cooper

SP - Urena, Chen, Alcantara, Richards (actually has an OK FIP - 4.10), and revolving door of Pablo/Gallen/maybe Neidert
RHP - Steckenrider, Wittgren, Guerrero, E. Hernandez, Graves/Rucinski/Meyer/Despaigne
LHP - Conley, J. Garcia, Quijada/O'Grady/Peters

Coffee hit me hard this morning.

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McKenzie, FV45, and two FV40 gets that done quick for Barraclough and Dietrich for me. Willie Castro (SS) makes some sense as the second player considering they have Lindor and a better minor league SS (Chang).

Mejia is ridiculous. They need to get off that horse unless Realmuto is involved.

They are pushing for Mejia and 1 or 2 low level guys for DD and a RP but heard Cleveland countered with McKenzie and others.(I won't say exact others because don't wanna hear anything but will mention who they like) Others-Willi Castro,Sam Hentges,Elijah Morgan,James Karinchak,Bobby Bradley,Will Benson. They like Nolan Jones as well and 2 weeks ago they did ask for McKenzie OR Jones as "centerpiece" just havent heard his name lately

Miami likes the offer but have balked on it at this point because they think once teams start making trades Clev might get desperate and say Mejia

I think it will be

Cleveland-Bearclaw/DD
Miami-McKenzie/Castro/Elijah Morgan/James Karinchak or another arm they "like"

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Heard same thing about Gaston. They still like him but are saving cash for Victor Victor and Victor Jr to be cleared

We have (guessing) 4.5-4.75 left in pool right now

Have talked to a few teams about pool $$ and if they get more could still sign Gaston

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Teams are looking hard at Conley. High price but not as high as Brad Hand. Price they are saying is 3 Prospects

Boston/Houston/LAD all want him

Thing to watch is what does Zach Britton go for. Soon as he is dealt the "price" will be set for Conley

NYY is team to watch for us depending on who they get from other team. Denbo has interest in some of their prospects and NYY is looking at Straily/Urena/Conley/Bour. None are "primary" options but backup guys

[lou]

They are pushing for Mejia and 1 or 2 low level guys for DD and a RP but heard Cleveland countered with McKenzie and others.(I won't say exact others because don't wanna hear anything but will mention who they like) Others-Willi Castro,Sam Hentges,Elijah Morgan,James Karinchak,Bobby Bradley,Will Benson. They like Nolan Jones as well and 2 weeks ago they did ask for McKenzie OR Jones as "centerpiece" just havent heard his name lately

Miami likes the offer but have balked on it at this point because they think once teams start making trades Clev might get desperate and say Mejia

I think it will be

Cleveland-Bearclaw/DD
Miami-McKenzie/Castro/Elijah Morgan/James Karinchak or another arm they "like"

If there is any credibility Cleveland has really put McKenzie on table, they need to move those two for "McKenzie/Castro/Elijah Morgan/James Karinchak or another arm they "like"" immediately. McKenzie is ranked the 48th best prospect in baseball by fangraphs.

That would be a fantastic return. With how Neidert is pitching, what Caleb Smith did before he got hurt, and in general, organization's belief in Alcantara being some kind of SP, you're really talking about filling out the rotation in a year plus pretty fast with McKenzie. Pulling that off for Barraclough and Dietrich would be awesome.

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If there is any credibility Cleveland has really put McKenzie on table, they need to move those two for "McKenzie/Castro/Elijah Morgan/James Karinchak or another arm they "like"" immediately. McKenzie is ranked the 48th best prospect in baseball by fangraphs.

That would be a fantastic return. With how Neidert is pitching, what Caleb Smith did before he got hurt, and in general, organization's belief in Alcantara being some kind of SP, you're really talking about filling out the rotation in a year plus pretty fast with McKenzie. Pulling that off for Barraclough and Dietrich would be awesome.

No big names confirmed it but they are willing to trade him. Was mentioned in Machado trade but told Balt they will not trade him for a "rental" so kinda believe it somewhat

Again the others I don't know for sure just guys I heard they like and suspect it will be a 4/5 for 2 trade if it happens as not great shot they get Mejia

[rmc523]

They are pushing for Mejia and 1 or 2 low level guys for DD and a RP but heard Cleveland countered with McKenzie and others.(I won't say exact others because don't wanna hear anything but will mention who they like) Others-Willi Castro,Sam Hentges,Elijah Morgan,James Karinchak,Bobby Bradley,Will Benson. They like Nolan Jones as well and 2 weeks ago they did ask for McKenzie OR Jones as "centerpiece" just havent heard his name lately

Miami likes the offer but have balked on it at this point because they think once teams start making trades Clev might get desperate and say Mejia

I think it will be

Cleveland-Bearclaw/DD
Miami-McKenzie/Castro/Elijah Morgan/James Karinchak or another arm they "like"

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Heard same thing about Gaston. They still like him but are saving cash for Victor Victor and Victor Jr to be cleared

We have (guessing) 4.5-4.75 left in pool right now

Have talked to a few teams about pool $$ and if they get more could still sign Gaston

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Teams are looking hard at Conley. High price but not as high as Brad Hand. Price they are saying is 3 Prospects

Boston/Houston/LAD all want him

Thing to watch is what does Zach Britton go for. Soon as he is dealt the "price" will be set for Conley

NYY is team to watch for us depending on who they get from other team. Denbo has interest in some of their prospects and NYY is looking at Straily/Urena/Conley/Bour. None are "primary" options but backup guys

Do they try to get pool money in some of these trades too/instead of a prospect?

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Do they try to get pool money in some of these trades too/instead of a prospect?

Depends on who they trade with. Atlanta/Baltimore and like 5 other teams can't spend more than 300K on a player so they have millions to trade. But teams like Clev/LAD/Boston dont have much free "fake" cash to play with

I could see us trading Ziegler and real cash to Atlanta for a low level prospect and IFA "fake" cash

[fish16]

If they can get McKenzie, Mejia, or Nolan jones you do it immediately. I’m very skeptical they can get the first two though in a deal without JT

[sports24/7]

Am I the only one who's not enamored with Mejia? If he doesn't stick at catcher, his value goes down significantly, no?

I don't see why Miami wouldn't eat money in trading guys like Ziegler, Castro, and Prado. They dumped so much money already, that this shouldn't even be a question. Eat the money, and get the prospects.

I wouldn't trade Urena unless someone is paying for upside, which I wouldn't anticipate. You'd be selling low on him right now, and at worst, he's a rotation arm that gets you through the next couple of years. At best, he uses his stuff better and increases his value.