Season Super Game Thread

[Maddawg]

Has Brinson had some fielding gaffes lately? That would indicate he batting troubles are now leaking over into the field. Send him down already.

yes....he's a leaking like a sieve at this point.

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as he hits a rocket double...

Team is tough to watch, that's for sure, pretty much this entire bullpen should be in AAA. Lineup is pathetic.

More than tough to watch. It's something the new CIA Director should use instead of waterboarding. Guaranteed to get prisoners to spill the shit.

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They've scored 4 runs in 3 games......ata boy Jeter !

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How long does Frank Menechino have ?

[fish16]

This brinson shit is literally exactly how you’d handle a prospect with service time issues if you were trying to do the complete worst thing for both him and the team both now and longterm. He’ll be fine and we might even get lucky that their incompetence will br saved service time wise cause we’ll end up getting the extra year luckily, but this is just inexcusable management. I think he’s gone for Dean after the game.

[Maddawg]

This brinson shit is literally exactly how you’d handle a prospect with service time issues if you were trying to do the complete worst thing for both him and the team both now and longterm. He’ll be fine and we might even get lucky that their incompetence will br saved service time wise cause we’ll end up getting the extra year luckily, but this is just inexcusable management. I think he’s gone for Dean after the game.

I'll ask again, given this incompetence on this issue, how is it you think we can trust they will be able to build a winning team, much less a championship caliber one ?

It also could be they've already decided he's not worth the time and effort, and they've moved on from him.

[fish16]

I'll ask again, given this incompetence on this issue, how is it you think we can trust they will be able to build a winning team, much less a championship caliber one ?

It also could be they've already decided he's not worth the time and effort, and they've moved on from him.

Because their overall plan remains the most important thing to me and they actually have a plan that is smart and fits our market conditions for the first time in over 15 years. And i think the front office has done a fantastic job re-stocking the farm system starting with the hech trade last year and this is a very encouraging start all around organizationally from the standpoint of ridding ourselves of most bad contracts, finally getting much needed depth in the organization (specifically great job acquiring pitching depth over the last year), and building an overall different culture around the franchise. This was always going to be terrible this year, but i like the direction overall from an organizational perspective. My viewpoint on this has been consistent, a plan that is fitting to this market and is unwavering is the most important aspect to this entire process, which is a separate viewpoint from how i evaluate each individual move.

I think you are under the impression that i think this front office is infallible, and that is just not the case. I have disagreed with a lot of what they have done. I would have tried to get flaherty in the ozuna deal and gone with another one of their OF's over Sierra, even though i still like Alcantara and Sierra, and I also would have signed a couple more rotation options and another lineup option just so we wouldnt have had to rush some young guys. Aside from that though, I think this overall plan is still 100% the right thing to do and continue to support it as it is not a fool proof method, but it is 100% proven to be the smartest way to build a team in a market like this.

The brinson thing is inexcusable to me though. I can understand wanting him to work through the issues, but they arent helping him at all. There are 2 competing issues here: his overall development and his service time. I can understand somewhat if they cared more about his overall development and wanted him here, but you simply cannot do that and then proceed to continue to hit him 8th in an already terrible lineup night in and night out after just a few weeks of struggles. They needed to either let him ride it out at the top of the order or just send him down and let him develop. I think they were fine with his defense up until the last week or 2 and thought he could work through the issues with the bat, but its clear the hitting issues have gotten into his head and impacted his defense, and thats why i think he'll be sent down very very soon.

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Honestly, I have not watched much over the last few weeks because i was out of town last weekend and have been busy as hell, but the main concern at this point is just being professional and having that professional effort. It's been clear we are talent deficient the entire year, but up until recently its seemed like we still had a major league effort and maybe its just a bunch of people struggling at once, but the last week or 2 seems to feel like the guys have just "let go of the rope" to borrow a phrase from Spoelstra. I think that will change somewhat as we start to see some vets dealt and some of these prospects come up and give us some energy, like Sandy, Gallen, maybe Lopez, maybe Dean, etc.

And whoever brought up Menechino thats just unfair. I know its how it goes to just blame the hitting coach for a struggling lineup, but none of this is his fault. I dont give a shit about the struggles much anyways as long as we continue to churn through players and evaluate guys for future roster potential, develop prospects, and continue to build trade value for some of these vets. Anything other than that to me is just noise. We obviously suck and we all knew we were gonna suck, but i just hope they continue to stick to the process.

[Lee Stone]

as he hits a rocket double...

Team is tough to watch, that's for sure, pretty much this entire bullpen should be in AAA. Lineup is pathetic.

Feel like bases on balls discrepancy reflects part of the problem. Marlins opponents have walked about 75 times more than Miami! That's a whopping advantage to surrender.

[Nick]

Feel like bases on balls discrepancy reflects part of the problem. Marlins opponents have walked about 75 times more than Miami! That's a whopping advantage to surrender.

It's a lot more than that, but yeah we got rid of our 3 highest BB producers it's not a surprising by-product.

[fish16]

It's a lot more than that, but yeah we got rid of our 3 highest BB producers it's not a surprising by-product.

And we have nothing in terms of lots of potential hitting help on the way aside from maybe Brian Miller. Even our other best hitting prospects have promise but they K a ton. Isan Diaz does BB a lot on top of his k's though. Thats why i think we need to focus on hitting in the next few trades and the draft this week.

[tjfla]

Anybody know what the plan is with Jarlin? His usage has been bizarre.

Back to AAA and will be used in the rotation

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Tazawa to Detroit. Which means they will trade him at deadline for a prospect because he will be lights out HAHA

[rmc523]

Back to AAA and will be used in the rotation

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Tazawa to Detroit. Which means they will trade him at deadline for a prospect because he will be lights out HAHA

I was thinking the same thing - with how things work out for the Marlins, he'll go there and pitch to a 1.10 ERA and they'll trade him for a few prospects.

[tjfla]

I was thinking the same thing - with how things work out for the Marlins, he'll go there and pitch to a 1.10 ERA and they'll trade him for a few prospects.

They will trade him to LAA for some 18 yr old prospect who becomes a Top Prospect in 3 years

[Maddawg]

Oh an article from Fishstripes, the site I'm supposedly banned from but yet can access this article.....by the way thanks for pointing this site out to me.

https://www.fishstripes.com/2018/6/4...ue-development

[Nick]

Shocking you'd be banned from a Marlins website.

[tjfla]

Mattingly still has NO clue how to use a bullpen.

Adam Conley finally found his role as a 1 inning RP and Mattingly uses him for 2+
Guerrero gets hit hard and just lets him stay in

Amazing when u watch another game(without Miami)how well the good managers use their pen. They know just how to use their guys well Mattingly acts like he never has seen any of these guys throw a pitch

[fish16]

Mattingly sucks with the pen but the Conley thing is unfair. I want to test him to see if he can become a kind of hybrid reliever who can pitch multiple innings given his history as a starter. I’m excited to see what Conley can do out of the pen

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Are we over this Guerrero love yet, btw? Great velocity but just 0 control. Not a long term piece to me

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And lastly, with barraclough now in the closers role for two months before the deadline, If he can continue his success this year we will get a legit haul for him at the deadline. He is going to have significant value

[tjfla]

Mattingly sucks with the pen but the Conley thing is unfair. I want to test him to see if he can become a kind of hybrid reliever who can pitch multiple innings given his history as a starter. I’m excited to see what Conley can do out of the pen

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Are we over this Guerrero love yet, btw? Great velocity but just 0 control. Not a long term piece to me

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And lastly, with barraclough now in the closers role for two months before the deadline, If he can continue his success this year we will get a legit haul for him at the deadline. He is going to have significant value

Ya since he looked so great as a SP let's see if he can go multiple innings. Keep him as a 1 inning guy.

Guerrero is a solid arm but needs to be placed well. Guerrero and Steck are FB guys. Mattingly needs to break them up. The best pens are ones that have different looks