2025 Game Thread

[Namaste]

Here are the players that will miss Opening Day:

Eury Perez
Weathers
Garrett
Cabrera
Nardi
Jesus Sanchez
Connor Norby

[Namaste]

Norby getting a MRI on his left oblique today. They’re one more injury away from not winning 60 games.

[rmc523]

Weathers out 4-6 weeks.

Of the 258 front office people hired can we get one of them to figure out why our pitchers can't stay healthy?

Don’t worry, they’ll wait until the end of the season and then he’ll get TJ surgery.

[fish16]

I like that you threw some extra players on there besides the 3 you've been whining about.

Berger and Sanchez are both so similar. They hit it hard but rarely make contact, don't work counts, and K a lot. On a decent team they are a utility player and a 4th outfielder.

Most of Jazzs value comes from his defense. He has some pop but is a very poor hitter overall and is quite injury prone.

Yes Arraez is a good contact hitter but has no power at all, is one of the slowest players in baseball, and is awful defensively wherever you play him.

Luzardo had flashes but was inconsistent. He was either decent or flat out awful and there was no middle ground.

You act like Bendix just took whatever offer was thrown at him and you don't seem willing or able to even contemplaye that these guys(sans Sanchez who is still here) just aren't that good and he got what the league said they were worth.

Burger for his career is an 111 OPS+. If he's your DH he is a good DH. If you trade away all players other than 5 tool perfect players you will be left with no players. Every player in baseball k's a lot and rarely makes contact at this point. On a good team he is a top half of the league DH, making less than a million, and under control for several more years at the age of 28. And they got nothing of significance for him.

Jesus sanchez is just about a league average hitter for his career. 98 OPS+. He is a 113 OPS+ against righties for his career. If they used him in a pure platoon like they should have been for the last 3 years, he is a piece you can use productively.

Jazz is such a very poor hitter overall that he is an above average hitter for his career at 104 OPS+, all while being surrounded by shit in the lineup for the most part. The second he was surrounded by talent he put up an OPS+ of 130 for the yankees in meaningful games. He was a 4 WAR guy by fangraphs last year. The knock on him is that he played recklessly and couldnt stay healthy. But to say he is a very poor hitter overall is literally not substantiated by any actual measurement other than the player evaluation of a guy who said sandy is a bullpen arm.

Luzardo is a 26 year old lefty that throws 97 and can be your #2 or 3. Those are hard pieces to find. He has had health problems, but when healthy in 2023 he was a 3.8 WAR, 25 year old lefty starting pitcher under team control for several more years. That's hard to find. 18 year old shortstops in single A with potential are not.

I dont care what guys cant do, i care what they can do. If a team cant find a way to get production out of what arraez brings to the table, that's a team issue. This whole trying to make him into nothing but a singles hitter is also just dumb. He is a career ,790 OPS and 118 OPS+. He's not juan pierre. He's had 30 doubles in 3 straight years and hit 10 hr's when he was healthy in 2023. They also didnt get anything for him other than a 19 year old frontliner who immediately needed major hip surgery. Im not sure how you've been brainwashed to think just getting rid of productive players because they arent perfect, even if the return is nothing, somehow helps the organization. It doesnt, the only thing it helps is Sherman's wallet, which is the entire point of just about every one of these moves. He's got a career .418 slugging percentage. He's not barry bonds, but this whole he only hits singles thing is just dumb. He was playing with an injured thumb from june 1st through the end of last year. The 3 years prior bball reference had him as a 3.2, 4.1, and 4.6 WAR. Fangraphs was lower, but still 1.6, 2.7, and 3.3 WAR from 2021-2023. He is a productive player, and they got nothing for him. The organization is not in a better place because they got rid of Arraez and acquired Head, Marsee, and Martorella.

And that's the bottom line. The team wasnt a contender, but they were also not given a chance to compete at a realistic level with the other teams. They had one of the lowest payrolls in baseball and still had a talented core that could be improved upon. The answer was not to blow that up yet again in this market and continue not to spend and act as if anything will change just because the names on the back of the jerseys are different. the answer is to actually spend money or sell the fucking team. Anything bendix says to the contrary is bullshit gaslighting. The moves made over the last year have not put the organization in a better spot than they were previously. Losing 100 games with a mediocre farm is not an improvement.

They also traded almost every single one of those guys at their lowest value. Bendix is a clown being used as a puppet by sherman to avoid spending money.

[Todd]

That is absolutely a core. Sandy, luzardo, eury, Scott, Garrett, arraez, jazz, burger, and Sanchez is absolutely a starting point that you can build off of that doesn’t need to be completely torn down to the studs. That is what a core looks like when you are in the bottom of the league in payroll. Literally all that needed to be done was spend like an actual major league organization to help the lineup. Instead, the focus was always on taking from one strength to address another weakness in a trade. Never was it even remotely considered a possibility that they could add 1 impact bat via free agency, let alone the 2-3 they needed. You can win with those pieces as a starting block, but you can’t win anything without spending the money necessary to do so. Whether that’s with that group of players or the future group of players in 3 years after we lose 100 games for the next few seasons

stripping it down for parts to save the owner money also doesn’t make the team better. It saves the owner from spending money. They have spent I think less than $10 million in free agency over the last two full offseason. They are blowing smoke uo every fans ass when they sit there with a straight face and tell you that they are better long term from all of those guys being gone.

I like that you threw some extra players on there besides the 3 you've been whining about.

Berger and Sanchez are both so similar. They hit it hard but rarely make contact, don't work counts, and K a lot. On a decent team they are a utility player and a 4th outfielder.

Most of Jazzs value comes from his defense. He has some pop but is a very poor hitter overall and is quite injury prone.

Yes Arraez is a good contact hitter but has no power at all, is one of the slowest players in baseball, and is awful defensively wherever you play him.

Luzardo had flashes but was inconsistent. He was either decent or flat out awful and there was no middle ground.

You act like Bendix just took whatever offer was thrown at him and you don't seem willing or able to even contemplaye that these guys(sans Sanchez who is still here) just aren't that good and he got what the league said they were worth.

[fish16]

the hits just keep on coming. mlb officially took two inches off xavier edwards (height) and officially listed him at 5'8, down from 5'10.

[fish16]

You ridiculously overrate the players the Marlins had. They weren't a core. Heck in Burgers case they weren't even young(dude turns 29 in like a week).

That is absolutely a core. Sandy, luzardo, eury, Scott, Garrett, arraez, jazz, burger, and Sanchez is absolutely a starting point that you can build off of that doesn’t need to be completely torn down to the studs. That is what a core looks like when you are in the bottom of the league in payroll. Literally all that needed to be done was spend like an actual major league organization to help the lineup. Instead, the focus was always on taking from one strength to address another weakness in a trade. Never was it even remotely considered a possibility that they could add 1 impact bat via free agency, let alone the 2-3 they needed. You can win with those pieces as a starting block, but you can’t win anything without spending the money necessary to do so. Whether that’s with that group of players or the future group of players in 3 years after we lose 100 games for the next few seasons

stripping it down for parts to save the owner money also doesn’t make the team better. It saves the owner from spending money. They have spent I think less than $10 million in free agency over the last two full offseason. They are blowing smoke uo every fans ass when they sit there with a straight face and tell you that they are better long term from all of those guys being gone.

[Todd]

You ridiculously overrate the players the Marlins had. They weren't a core. Heck in Burgers case they weren't even young(dude turns 29 in like a week).

[fish16]

When it’s convenient for you, the Marlins making the playoffs in 2023 was a total mirage that happened because of luck in one run games.

In this case, it’s convenient for you to point out that they made the playoffs to bolster this ridiculous claim that they had a good roster.

Your sauce. It’s weak.

It was a mirage, they weren’t a legitimate contender. That doesn’t make the roster bad, especially
given their payroll relative to the average team in baseball. They still made the playoffs, had a great rotation all under the age of 25 except for sandy who was 27. They had glaring holes at 3-4 lineup spots. They had a core you could build around if the owner wanted to be even remotely interested in spending at a league average level. Instead he blew up the team because he is poor and wants to serve you chicken shit and gaslight you yet again into thinking that this rebuild, unlike the last 6, will be the one that works out. So you’ll watch this shit product that loses 100 games for the next 2 years and talk yourself into the latest group of prospects.

the alternative was spend like a major league organization and add legitimate lineup pieces to the great pitching and younger core of arraez, jazz, Sanchez, burger, and the couple other solid veterans they had. That year, their opening day payroll was 91 million. 15th in the league was the cardinals at 175 million. What do you think is fucking easier, spending like a major league average organization and adding 84 million to an existing team that just made the playoffs with a great young rotation, or blowing it up completely and continuously trying to compete on a payroll below 70 million? If the latter is remotely acceptable to you, you’re the problem. That’s the entire point- not that he blew up a world
series contender. It’s that instead of behaving like a major league owner, we have another embarrassing rebuild with a payroll below 50 million on opening day active roster players, and homers like you will yet again talk yourself into the latest names that should be impacting this team in just 2 more years!!!

[Namaste]

They made the playoffs. This whole fucking retrospective you do to act as if they were the bad news bears making the playoffs is absurd. Were they a legitimately contender? No. They were lucky. But this idea that they were terrible is just absurd. They had a below average lineup by the end of the year and a fucking great rotation and a good bullpen. They were average. Their rotation was sandy, luzardo, eury, and Braxton Garrett with a rotating cast of characters in the 5th spot. That’s as good as you will find in the league. Scott and nardi were great that year, and they had other good pieces in the bullpen. All with a payroll that was less than half of the fucking league average. There is no scenario in which a legitimate major league organization needed to blow that team to pieces as opposed to rebuilding the farm on the fly and spending some fucking money.

This shit where you act as if they were a 100 loss team because you’re an absurd homer who can’t acknowledge the reality of how shitty this franchise is and somehow think it makes me a bad fan because I do is just dumb.

i also didn’t blame bendix for weathers. Literally didn’t even say weathers name in my post. You’re just making shit up. I blamed him for doing exactly what he has done- traded an entire bottom 5 payroll playoff team with a bad farm system away in exchange for a truly awful major league team with a mediocre farm system. It’s exactly what he’s done in the year + he’s been here. No matter how much you want to deflect and be a ridiculous homer. That’s exactly what he has done.

also, god doesn’t hate the marlins, every team has injuries. Teams that spend more than 47 fucking million on their active roster or whatever the number is can sustain them. Those that don’t have Janson junk or whatever the fuck the dudes name is in the opening day rotation

When it’s convenient for you, the Marlins making the playoffs in 2023 was a total mirage that happened because of luck in one run games.

In this case, it’s convenient for you to point out that they made the playoffs to bolster this ridiculous claim that they had a good roster.

Your sauce. It’s weak.

[fish16]

I lol’d at average major league roster, too!

I also lol’d at Weathers’ injury being Bendix fault.


Anyway, it’s pretty wild that we are going into Opening Day with no Eury, Braxton, Weathers and Jesus Sanchez. I’m totally expecting Xavier Edwards to break his leg in the next 5 days. God hates the Marlins.

They made the playoffs. This whole fucking retrospective you do to act as if they were the bad news bears making the playoffs is absurd. Were they a legitimately contender? No. They were lucky. But this idea that they were terrible is just absurd. They had a below average lineup by the end of the year and a fucking great rotation and a good bullpen. They were average. Their rotation was sandy, luzardo, eury, and Braxton Garrett with a rotating cast of characters in the 5th spot. That’s as good as you will find in the league. Scott and nardi were great that year, and they had other good pieces in the bullpen. All with a payroll that was less than half of the fucking league average. There is no scenario in which a legitimate major league organization needed to blow that team to pieces as opposed to rebuilding the farm on the fly and spending some fucking money.

This shit where you act as if they were a 100 loss team because you’re an absurd homer who can’t acknowledge the reality of how shitty this franchise is and somehow think it makes me a bad fan because I do is just dumb.

i also didn’t blame bendix for weathers. Literally didn’t even say weathers name in my post. You’re just making shit up. I blamed him for doing exactly what he has done- traded an entire bottom 5 payroll playoff team with a bad farm system away in exchange for a truly awful major league team with a mediocre farm system. It’s exactly what he’s done in the year + he’s been here. No matter how much you want to deflect and be a ridiculous homer. That’s exactly what he has done.

also, god doesn’t hate the marlins, every team has injuries. Teams that spend more than 47 fucking million on their active roster or whatever the number is can sustain them. Those that don’t have Janson junk or whatever the fuck the dudes name is in the opening day rotation

[Namaste]

The MLB roster was not average. It was literally one of the worst offenses in the game by almost every measure.

I find your love of Kim Ng and hatred of Bendix to be quite humorous.

I lol’d at average major league roster, too!

I also lol’d at Weathers’ injury being Bendix fault.


Anyway, it’s pretty wild that we are going into Opening Day with no Eury, Braxton, Weathers and Jesus Sanchez. I’m totally expecting Xavier Edwards to break his leg in the next 5 days. God hates the Marlins.

[fish16]

Crazy to say this, but it feels like the lowest point for the franchise. For a franchise that's had low after low too. I have almost 0 excitement for the season. Sandy vs. Skenes will be awesome, but beyond that I feel like I'll be struggling to muster excitement. I guess we know this is not the lowest low, that will come when Sandy is dealt.

easily. No real hope for the future and no hope for real change. Looking at spotrac, our active roster payroll is only 47 million, and the middle of the pack payroll is 151 million. We are spending 104 million less than just the league average. That is fucking pathetic. And that’s partly why I say the previous roster wasn’t bad. If you spent like an average major league team, that roster easily could have been a legitimately good team. But we are constantly rebuilding in the hopes of an impossible goal- building a team that is dirt cheap and good at pitching and hitting. But it will never work. We are consistently in a cycle of rebuilding, only successfully rebuilding one side of the team, and then repeating.

[Nick]

Crazy to say this, but it feels like the lowest point for the franchise. For a franchise that's had low after low too. I have almost 0 excitement for the season. Sandy vs. Skenes will be awesome, but beyond that I feel like I'll be struggling to muster excitement. I guess we know this is not the lowest low, that will come when Sandy is dealt.

[fish16]

The MLB roster was not average. It was literally one of the worst offenses in the game by almost every measure.

I find your love of Kim Ng and hatred of Bendix to be quite humorous.

Hatred of bendix does not equal love of ng. The roster was average. They were a playoff team that, yes, played above its expected record, but they still had great pitching and back end of the bullpen that year with a bad lineup that turned to below average once they got burger and bell. They continued to trot out Jacob stallings and Joey Wendle for an entire year instead of admitting a bad decision and making a move for a catcher or trying the guy hitting .400 for 4 months in aaa in Edwards.

regardless of whether you think they were average or below average and lucky, this is significantly worse