2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Nick]

Hopefully that's the last we see of Conley in a Marlins uniform. He has no business making the team.

[Namaste]

8 run 8th inning? Is the coaching staff in the clubhouse drinking whiskey?

[TealMonster08]

As sad as that half inning felt to watch, the familiarity of the disappointment felt just like home.

[Nick]

Jesus Sanchez just absolutely demolished a ball.

[Erick]

8 run 8th inning? Is the coaching staff in the clubhouse drinking whiskey?

It's an exhibition game, and the best thing that could've happened.
That has to be Conley's last game as a Marlin so it was worth it.

[Maddawg]

Last year they got shutout 22 times....you have an 8-1 lead....and blow the game 10-9...how Marlins. And yes Fish16 I am cynical....and I say fuck you.

Only the Marlins could take my enthusiasm from earlier in the day and turn it into disappointment.

[Namaste]

That has to be Conley's last game as a Marlin so it was worth it.

It was only a good thing if it was Conleys last time in a Marlins uniform. But we don’t know that for sure.

[Lee Stone]

A few game notes:

1) Three successive homers from the 8, 9 and 1 spots in the batting order? I'll bet that hasn't happened a lot in baseball history. Interestingly, SF hit three in a row last night as well - from the 9, 1 and 2 spots in the order.
2) Adam Conley last season: -1.2 WAR 2W and 11L. 6.53 ERA 1.73 WHIP. On the other hand (also the left one), Jarlin Garcia 1.2 WAR out of Marlin bullpen in 2019. 4W and 2L. 3.02 ERA 1.10 WHIP (Garcia cut loose last winter ... now a Giant. He is three years younger than Conley)
4) This game was a promotion for automated balls and strikes ... some brutal mistakes by the home plate ump
5) If this game is any indication, the Marlins will be a free-swinging bunch again this season (Marlins took one BB. Atlanta accepted seven of them. Five of those free passes turned into runs, which is basically the game story.) Last season, the Marlin hitters drew 395 BB. Marlin pitchers allowed 615! That's where a team turnaround has to begin.

[tjfla]

One of regulars here was REAL high on Sierra when we traded for him.


Anyway, I still haven’t given up on Brinson. The guy looked really good in Spring Training.

I have given up on them both but like said perfect 4th OF guys so Miami probably wont until they have to

For all the big hits they missed on Sierra just like Will Stewart. Sierra was #5 Cards Prospect but prolly could have gotten others if wanted. Will say they havent been much better-Bader/O'Neill. Will Stewart was still the big head scratcher for me they took Stewart who Philly had as their like 6th Best P in system even tho Philly was fine trading guys like Moniak/other arms in the deal

FO biggest "fear" with guys like Brinson,Sierra,Conley,even Urena is they don't wanna just give them away and then all of a sudden they figure stuff out. This is why u saw them try Urena as a CL LY-teams been talking about him as a CL for years and Miami wanted to check. Brad Hand/Miller/bats who are platoon options for ML teams. They want to hold onto these guys for as long as possible

This is the same with prospects. They see guys they drafted who were traded now looking great for other teams and are getting gun shy. They didnt wanna really trade Vallimont or Gallen but Lewin and Jazz was too good to pass on and they pretty much replaced them in the draft

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Jesus Sanchez just absolutely demolished a ball.

People loved Nick Anderson but this kid was the biggest steal for us

Still only 22 and very possible he could play CF

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Another year and Conley still sucks.

Mattingly loves his go to guys!! Just like when Mattingly didnt like/trust Wittgren so he never used him even tho was good or that he uses Steck every night. But ya Conley is in mid season form-they really need to trade him for a PTBNL and give Vesia his spot

They have tried to trade him about 5 times now and got no great offers so they keep passing but reality is they need to move on from him.

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Should be interesting next 3 days as Miami has 3 guys NOT on the 40 man likely to make the 30 man roster. Means 3 guys have to go somewhere and doubt they 45 day Joyce since they can trade him as soon as healthy

[fish16]

Last year they got shutout 22 times....you have an 8-1 lead....and blow the game 10-9...how Marlins. And yes Fish16 I am cynical....and I say fuck you.

Only the Marlins could take my enthusiasm from earlier in the day and turn it into disappointment.

I’d suggest you not watch the next two months as you’re just gonna frustrate yourself because we will be bad and they will not rush the prospects. Come back next spring for some positivity

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At least you recognize your own paralyzing cynicism finally though.

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Adam Conley needed to go like two years ago. Enough of his shit already the guy sucks and they need to accept that they blew the best chance to trade him and steckenrixer two years ago

[Erick]

I’d suggest you not watch the next two months as you’re just gonna frustrate yourself because we will be bad and they will not rush the prospects. Come back next spring for some positivity

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At least you recognize your own paralyzing cynicism finally though.

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Adam Conley needed to go like two years ago. Enough of his shit already the guy sucks and they need to accept that they blew the best chance to trade him and steckenrixer two years ago

I don’t think it’s a given that we will be bad this year.

[fish16]

I don’t think it’s a given that we will be bad this year.

i think we could be competitive if we didnt give a shit about service time and just said fuck it and put together the best possible lineup/rotation but given the fact that we will not rush these guys like Sixto, Sanchez, Jazz, lewin, monte, etc and our schedule being the hardest in baseball i cant really see more than 25 wins. I want to see the kids as much as everyone else but it is the right move to play it slow and bring them up gradually over the course of the 2 month season and really focus on the long term goals and manipulating the service time of all of these guys is definitely the right move from a long term perspective.

I dont think we will be awful by any stretch of the imagination though, but I could also see a world where we deal off a bunch of these veterans by the deadline and deal with young prospects struggles a lot. I could see all of Villar, Urena, Kintzler, Dickerson, Aguilar, Steckenrider, and Cooper. None of those guys are studs but it's a lot to ask of super young prospects to come up and immediately fill shoes of guys like that. So I think anywhere between 22-27 wins is realistic in such a weird season. But at the same time i also weirdly would not be shocked if we got off to a nice start and then they brought up some young kids to add to the team and we finish at or slightly above .500.

All in all next year is the year where I think we take a pretty serious leap into contention.

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On a different note- Jesus sanchez should be talked about as a future star much more than he currently is. That dudes bat is legit. I dont think its at all unrealistic to think we will have a pretty damn good team by the middle-end of next year.

C- Alfaro
1b- Lewin
2b- Isan
SS- Jazz
3b- Anderson
LF- Dickerson/Bleday
CF- Monte
RF- Sanchez

SP's- Sixto, Sandy, Cabrera, Lopez, insert 5th guy here from a list of Garrett, Rogers, Meyer, Neidert,

Then you figure out the bullpen with smart low key FA signings and SPs transitioning to the pen. That is an incredibly talented team that doesnt cost much (i.e. can easily be supplemented with a few smart FA signings). OBviously some guys might flame out and not reach their potential but we still have other prospect depth to overcome that afterwards in terms of guys like Jerar, Misner, Burdick, Connor Scott, plus super young guys like Nasim Nunez, Devers, and a bunch more. They have done a great job rebuilding this team to be competitive in the near future as well as sustainable for a 3-5 year run at contention. This playoff drought will be over within the next 2-3 years.

[Erick]

i think we could be competitive if we didnt give a shit about service time and just said fuck it and put together the best possible lineup/rotation but given the fact that we will not rush these guys like Sixto, Sanchez, Jazz, lewin, monte, etc and our schedule being the hardest in baseball i cant really see more than 25 wins. I want to see the kids as much as everyone else but it is the right move to play it slow and bring them up gradually over the course of the 2 month season and really focus on the long term goals and manipulating the service time of all of these guys is definitely the right move from a long term perspective.

I dont think we will be awful by any stretch of the imagination though, but I could also see a world where we deal off a bunch of these veterans by the deadline and deal with young prospects struggles a lot. I could see all of Villar, Urena, Kintzler, Dickerson, Aguilar, Steckenrider, and Cooper. None of those guys are studs but it's a lot to ask of super young prospects to come up and immediately fill shoes of guys like that. So I think anywhere between 22-27 wins is realistic in such a weird season. But at the same time i also weirdly would not be shocked if we got off to a nice start and then they brought up some young kids to add to the team and we finish at or slightly above .500.

All in all next year is the year where I think we take a pretty serious leap into contention.

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On a different note- Jesus sanchez should be talked about as a future star much more than he currently is. That dudes bat is legit. I dont think its at all unrealistic to think we will have a pretty damn good team by the middle-end of next year.

C- Alfaro
1b- Lewin
2b- Isan
SS- Jazz
3b- Anderson
LF- Dickerson/Bleday
CF- Monte
RF- Sanchez

SP's- Sixto, Sandy, Cabrera, Lopez, insert 5th guy here from a list of Garrett, Rogers, Meyer, Neidert,

Then you figure out the bullpen with smart low key FA signings and SPs transitioning to the pen. That is an incredibly talented team that doesnt cost much (i.e. can easily be supplemented with a few smart FA signings). OBviously some guys might flame out and not reach their potential but we still have other prospect depth to overcome that afterwards in terms of guys like Jerar, Misner, Burdick, Connor Scott, plus super young guys like Nasim Nunez, Devers, and a bunch more. They have done a great job rebuilding this team to be competitive in the near future as well as sustainable for a 3-5 year run at contention. This playoff drought will be over within the next 2-3 years.

I just see it as such a small sample of games that anything can happen. The difference between 25 wins and a bad season to a .500 season is literally 5 close games going the other way. We can’t be blowing games like last night, but the regular season won’t be managed like last night.

Our pitching kept us in a lot of games last year, and now our lineup has less minor leaguers in it. I don’t know what will happen, but I think we can have competitive baseball this year. And it might get fun because it’s 60 games instead of 162. If it were 162 I’d agree that we have no chance. Like you said though, a hot streak early can change things. And any team can get hot short-term.

[fish16]

I just see it as such a small sample of games that anything can happen. The difference between 25 wins and a bad season to a .500 season is literally 5 close games going the other way. We can’t be blowing games like last night, but the regular season won’t be managed like last night.

Our pitching kept us in a lot of games last year, and now our lineup has less minor leaguers in it. I don’t know what will happen, but I think we can have competitive baseball this year. And it might get fun because it’s 60 games instead of 162. If it were 162 I’d agree that we have no chance. Like you said though, a hot streak early can change things. And any team can get hot short-term.

absolutely. 60 games in a sport like baseball is a complete crapshoot. In no way would i be shocked if we somehow make a run.

[sports24/7]

I’m still waiting to hear how Sierra is a perfect 4th OF when he can’t hit, isn’t a good base runner, and really isn’t very good defensively. He took a horrible angle on a ball in the gap last night that prevented him from cutting it off, and led to runners scoring.