2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Nick]

Service Time and the fact we are pretty much punting on the season. FO saying all right stuff in public but they dont expect a good season with the schedule and all

He will be up eventually with either Villar traded or an OF hurt. Soon as up he gonna get tons of AB's

People crap on Sierra and Brinson but reality is they are both perfect 4th OF on any team. If we DFA either of them they are gone and FO dont really wanna just lose guys for nothing

You constantly say Brinson or Sierra would be the perfect 4th OF. Banfield would be a great backup catcher right now. The perfect bench would have players who can hit.

[Lee Stone]

If we DFA either of them they are gone and FO dont really wanna just lose guys for nothing

We wouldn't be losing Brinson and Sierra for nothing. We'd gain spots on the roster that would be filled by better players.

[tjfla]

You constantly say Brinson or Sierra would be the perfect 4th OF. Banfield would be a great backup catcher right now. The perfect bench would have players who can hit.

If they could hit they would be starters. Teams like a bench that can play defense not hit which is why u usually see nice bats sent to AAA instead of playing part time in majors. U think teams care if a backup C can hit? Hell no they want a guy who calls a game/can throw out runners,anything with the bats is a bonus

YA WS teams love 39 yr old Erik Kratz because he can hit or Jeff Mathis still has a job because he can hit

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If we DFA either of them they are gone and FO dont really wanna just lose guys for nothing

We wouldn't be losing Brinson and Sierra for nothing. We'd gain spots on the roster that would be filled by better players.

Who would get the spots? 2 RP that u trade in August

[fish16]

sending monte and lewin down at least a week to put off the year of service time is a complete no brainer. its stupid to do anything but that for a 60 game year where we have the hardest schedule in baseball and dont expect to compete anyways. Glad they did the right thing with those 2. I see the argument being made that they are 25 already and that it wont make a difference in the future anyway but that is nonsensical. it 100% makes sense to keep them down for a week or 2 now rather than lose a prime year 6 years from now. If anything it could prevent us overpaying them 6 years from now. love it.

That became the #1 priority when they announced the shortened season and they have passed that test. now when that date passes start bringing these guys up gradually. I I hope we see at least a cup of coffee from all of Sixto, Cabrera, Neidert, Lewin, Monte, and Jazz.

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I don't think you can say that wasn't true. By all accounts, Harold has been very good during this summer camp. I have only seen what everyone else has on quick Twitter videos. It's possible that Ramirez just earned the job. Either way, I'm sure that it is just a matter of time before Monte is up...either because someone gets hurt or struggles. It'll be interesting to see how long a leash Harold, or anyone has with a 60 game season.

This exactly. It makes no sense for monte to be up to start the year no matter how well he played. the amount of time he needs to be down is so negligible it would have been complete mismanagement to bring him up and waste a full year of team control in the future. Especially given our schedule and contention window (although i still have my golden ticket of marlins winning the world series $10 to win 3000).

[Nick]

If they could hit they would be starters. Teams like a bench that can play defense not hit which is why u usually see nice bats sent to AAA instead of playing part time in majors. U think teams care if a backup C can hit? Hell no they want a guy who calls a game/can throw out runners,anything with the bats is a bonus

YA WS teams love 39 yr old Erik Kratz because he can hit or Jeff Mathis still has a job because he can hit

Did I say there aren't players who are in the majors simply for their gloves? No, but the bench players that stick around, are the ones that can hit. Matt Joyce hasn't been on major league benches for the past decade for his great defensive ability. Athletic ability is fleeting, teams want players that can fill in the starting lineup. Very few teams have the luxury of keeping someone on the roster that is simply a pinch-runner/defensive replacement and brings nothing else to the table. Backup Catcher is a little different, but your continued assertion that Banfield would be a good backup right now is absurd. Kid had a .562 OPS as an every day player at low-A Ball. How do you think that translates to a backup catcher in the big leagues? A .300 OPS? Even Jeff Mathis wouldn't have stayed in the league if he couldn't at least outhit most NL pitchers.

[sports24/7]

Service Time and the fact we are pretty much punting on the season. FO saying all right stuff in public but they dont expect a good season with the schedule and all

He will be up eventually with either Villar traded or an OF hurt. Soon as up he gonna get tons of AB's

People crap on Sierra and Brinson but reality is they are both perfect 4th OF on any team. If we DFA either of them they are gone and FO dont really wanna just lose guys for nothing

How are they perfect 4th outfielders? Neither of them have shown the ability to be even slightly below average ML hitters. And while both are fast, neither of them have been great base stealers. Harold is the perfect 4th OF.

You/they can say they don't want to lose Sierra for nothing, but they will. At some point he's going to get DFA'd, and if someone claims him no one should really care. And if no one does, eventually he'll probably bust out of the league.

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sending monte and lewin down at least a week to put off the year of service time is a complete no brainer. its stupid to do anything but that for a 60 game year where we have the hardest schedule in baseball and dont expect to compete anyways. Glad they did the right thing with those 2. I see the argument being made that they are 25 already and that it wont make a difference in the future anyway but that is nonsensical. it 100% makes sense to keep them down for a week or 2 now rather than lose a prime year 6 years from now. If anything it could prevent us overpaying them 6 years from now. love it.

That became the #1 priority when they announced the shortened season and they have passed that test. now when that date passes start bringing these guys up gradually. I I hope we see at least a cup of coffee from all of Sixto, Cabrera, Neidert, Lewin, Monte, and Jazz.

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This exactly. It makes no sense for monte to be up to start the year no matter how well he played. the amount of time he needs to be down is so negligible it would have been complete mismanagement to bring him up and waste a full year of team control in the future. Especially given our schedule and contention window (although i still have my golden ticket of marlins winning the world series $10 to win 3000).

No one (other than Lee) said they SHOULD have kept these guys up. I was making the point that all the talk about going for it during a shortened season, and that worrying about service time was a thing of the past, clearly wasn't true.

[tjfla]

4th OF are guys who can play good defense at all 3 spots,have speed and hit somewhat.

Gregor Blanco was considered the prototype 4th OF for few years

All I am saying is teams would rather have a Sierra/Brinson as a 4th OF then a top prospect who would sit on a bench

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Did I say there aren't players who are in the majors simply for their gloves? No, but the bench players that stick around, are the ones that can hit. Matt Joyce hasn't been on major league benches for the past decade for his great defensive ability. Athletic ability is fleeting, teams want players that can fill in the starting lineup. Very few teams have the luxury of keeping someone on the roster that is simply a pinch-runner/defensive replacement and brings nothing else to the table. Backup Catcher is a little different, but your continued assertion that Banfield would be a good backup right now is absurd. Kid had a .562 OPS as an every day player at low-A Ball. How do you think that translates to a backup catcher in the big leagues? A .300 OPS? Even Jeff Mathis wouldn't have stayed in the league if he couldn't at least outhit most NL pitchers.

People/scouts have said if Banfield could hit little more u could bring him up as a Backup C tommorrow and no one would say anything

EVERY ML bench is usually this
Glove first Backup C(Cervelli)
UT Guy who can play MIF but other spots always good(Berti)
4th OF(Sierra)
2 bats who can hit but usually one 1 position(Joyce/Cooper)

ML bench is never
Another Starting C
4 bats who can hit

[Namaste]

One of regulars here was REAL high on Sierra when we traded for him.


Anyway, I still haven’t given up on Brinson. The guy looked really good in Spring Training.

[fish16]

One of regulars here was REAL high on Sierra when we traded for him.


Anyway, I still haven’t given up on Brinson. The guy looked really good in Spring Training.

if youre referring to me i was high on sierrra still until the beginning of last year. I thought he showed improvement and an adjustment at every level he was at but that the way he was handled by the cardinals in his final year there and then the last 2 years here has been awful. He was horribly rushed by the cardinals and his type of style is not the type of style you can rush to the big leagues and expect to find his footing unlike a power hitting guy who can still make an impact prior to being fully developed.

[gustavopim]

What I dislike the most about Sierra is that he's a terrible baserunner. Yeah he's fast, but can't steal bases. I'd rather have a slow player that can steal than a fast player that gets caught all the time. Last year he stole 3 bags and was caught stealing 3 time.

In AAA, 26 stolen bags and got caught stealing 10 times. Just ridiculous

[fish16]

What I dislike the most about Sierra is that he's a terrible baserunner. Yeah he's fast, but can't steal bases. I'd rather have a slow player that can steal than a fast player that gets caught all the time. Last year he stole 3 bags and was caught stealing 3 time.

In AAA, 26 stolen bags and got caught stealing 10 times. Just ridiculous

this. he has a skillset that can work in the right situation and if he learns how to use it but he just never put it together. it is inexcusable for him to not be a better baserunner.

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One of regulars here was REAL high on Sierra when we traded for him.


Anyway, I still haven’t given up on Brinson. The guy looked really good in Spring Training.

I havent either but this COVID issue really seems like its the end of the road for him here. Just too much has happened and there is too big of a surplus of guys behind him for it to work out here I think. I do see a world in which he puts it together in his second stop as a former top prospect. I could see an aaron hicks type career where he struggled as a top prospect for the twins and then eventually put it together.

I'd rather see brinson in the lineup than some of the other corner outfield/DH options we have scheduled but his entire tenure here has been pretty doomed so im not holding my breath. I wish we could just see him healthy and ready to go for this 2 month stretch but of course he is one of the guys who gets covid.

[gustavopim]

this. he has a skillset that can work in the right situation and if he learns how to use it but he just never put it together. it is inexcusable for him to not be a better baserunner

Honestly, he's not a kid anymore and he knows his skills. I don't think he will ever learn lol

[Nick]

Alfaro, Rojas and Villar going back-to-back-to-back on 3 pitches was sweet.

[Nick]

Another year and Conley still sucks.

[gustavopim]

Great play by the defensive wizard Sierra and throw to the cut off man. Just perfect!!