2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Nick]

Trading Dickerson or Villar before they play a game or only 10-15 games into this shortened season would be a new PR nightmare for the Marlins. I might & you might understand their reasoning, but Joe Public Casual fan, will not. How & when do you ever start gaining the trust of the fans.....to ever be "that contender" you have to start building the team you guys claim will be a contender in 2022....you realize that will be their 5th season of ownership & aura around the team is still as bad as ever....you're still trading players away......it's just not a good look.

I think Dickerson sticks around for 2021, there's a reason they signed him to a 2-year deal, and this wonky year only makes it more likely that he's here in 2021. Villar, he's an unrestricted free agent this year, if you don't have plans to re-sign him or don't think he would re-sign, you gotta deal him. Marlins fans won't care whether it's 90 games into 162 game season or 30 games into a 60 game season. It's gotta be done. 2021 has always been the goal for competing since Jeter and co. took over. That's going to be much harder to accomplish due to the virus, but either way until then you have to continue to conduct yourself in re-build mode, to make sure you have the best roster for '21.

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I normally agree. But I do understand the goal of trying to limit the length of extra innings in this strange season. I don't support it any other time, though.

why though? The games have already been extremely limited, pitching staffs should be fresher than ever. We're going to have extra roster spots for additional pitchers. I don't get it.

[Maddawg]

I normally agree. But I do understand the goal of trying to limit the length of extra innings in this strange season. I don't support it any other time, though.



Could be, I'm not sure.



I'd rather not waste a year of service time on this short year.

MAYBE if there were expanded playoffs, but otherwise, no.



Eh, I think people would realize it's a crazy season and that even that isn't indicative of the Marlins doing the "same old same old".

Some folks on this board still don't get the real pulse of the way people in Miami think about the Marlins. Trading Dickerson especially, will have a terrible effect on the fans because of our putrid offense. That was supposedly the reason we signed him, to prevent another season with 22 shutouts. Let's face facts, the team was a snoozefest last year. So it's more revolving door players, no continuity, no commitment - it's not the way I'd run it....and I know some are thinking I want huge money free agents. NO, but I also would be disappointed in them trading away the biggest boost in offense we've seen in 2+ years.

[Namaste]

I’d be ok with the Marlins “going for it” and trying to snap the 17 year (!!!!!) playoff drought or going full tank to get a top 4 draft pick next year.

[rmc523]

I think Dickerson sticks around for 2021, there's a reason they signed him to a 2-year deal, and this wonky year only makes it more likely that he's here in 2021. Villar, he's an unrestricted free agent this year, if you don't have plans to re-sign him or don't think he would re-sign, you gotta deal him. Marlins fans won't care whether it's 90 games into 162 game season or 30 games into a 60 game season. It's gotta be done. 2021 has always been the goal for competing since Jeter and co. took over. That's going to be much harder to accomplish due to the virus, but either way until then you have to continue to conduct yourself in re-build mode, to make sure you have the best roster for '21.

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why though? The games have already been extremely limited, pitching staffs should be fresher than ever. We're going to have extra roster spots for additional pitchers. I don't get it.

but with the odd spring training stopping, starting, etc., I'm concerned about injuries.

Some folks on this board still don't get the real pulse of the way people in Miami think about the Marlins. Trading Dickerson especially, will have a terrible effect on the fans because of our putrid offense. That was supposedly the reason we signed him, to prevent another season with 22 shutouts. Let's face facts, the team was a snoozefest last year. So it's more revolving door players, no continuity, no commitment - it's not the way I'd run it....and I know some are thinking I want huge money free agents. NO, but I also would be disappointed in them trading away the biggest boost in offense we've seen in 2+ years.

I do "get the pulse". I'm saying they're going to criticize the move regardless - if he's traded it's "same old Marlins", if he's not "why'd we sign him, he's terrible, why didn't we trade him???"

I'm not saying get rid of him at all costs, just saying that if someone offers you a great deal in this short season, you take it! The fans will complain regardless. I DO understand the "pulse" - but I understand the process they're going for before they go into "keep guys" mode.

[fish16]

I’d be ok with the Marlins “going for it” and trying to snap the 17 year (!!!!!) playoff drought or going full tank to get a top 4 draft pick next year.

I just hope they aren’t shortsighted and waste a year of service time for these young kids like sixto and jazz and Cabrera for 60 games

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Some folks on this board still don't get the real pulse of the way people in Miami think about the Marlins. Trading Dickerson especially, will have a terrible effect on the fans because of our putrid offense. That was supposedly the reason we signed him, to prevent another season with 22 shutouts. Let's face facts, the team was a snoozefest last year. So it's more revolving door players, no continuity, no commitment - it's not the way I'd run it....and I know some are thinking I want huge money free agents. NO, but I also would be disappointed in them trading away the biggest boost in offense we've seen in 2+ years.

You consistently project your own cynicism onto the rest of the fan base. If you think trading villar and/or Dickerson would register even the slightest outrage with the average marlins fan you’re delusional

[tjfla]

PLAY BALL but damn this season is gonna be a Mess

Meet your 2020 Marlins

C-Alfaro/Cervelli/Wallach
1B-Aguilar
2B-Isan
SS-Rojas/Berti(UT)
3B-BA
LF-Dickerson/Harold
CF-Villar/Sierra
RF-Joyce/Brinson
DH-Cooper(OF/1B)

SP-Caleb/Sandy/Lopez/Yamamoto/Elieser
RP-Sharp/Urena/Conley/Tarpley/Yimi/Steck/Stanek/Brigham/Boxberger/Kintzler

30 man roster(Need to make 1 roster move for Box)

3 man taxi Squad for Road Games will be-Wallach/OF/RP

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60 Man Taxi Squad should be interesting!!

40 Man Roster and 20 other guys

Trade Deadline is Aug 31


The league’s transactions freeze will end Friday at noon ET, though it’s still debating whether to let teams sign players to minor league contracts.

Teams must submit their 60-player pool by 3 ET on Sunday, and they’ll be able to take three taxi squad players on the road, though one has to be a catcher.

All 60 of those players will be invited to spring training, but clubs will have the option of sending 20 to alternate sites.

Players have to be added to the big league roster by Sept. 15 to be eligible for the postseason.

Even though teams won’t have to invite all players on their 40-man rosters to spring training, they’ll still have to be paid.

MLB has been talking with Nashville about keeping two teams of unsigned players there as an emergency pool. Those players would make $400 per week, and teams would have to pay a fee to Nashville to sign any of them.


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I’d be ok with the Marlins “going for it” and trying to snap the 17 year (!!!!!) playoff drought or going full tank to get a top 4 draft pick next year.

The Marlins issue is they play the NL East and AL East. Read story last night that Marlins have the HARDEST schedule for 2020,they have to decide if wasting a guy like Sixto/Cabrera/Jazz/Monte for 30 games is worth it or not. I would tank and try to get a Top 3 Pick and set sights on 2021

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Here are the guys Miami released. ALOT of solid RP arms however with no season and NO Low A team next year guess no space for them??

Miami Marlins
Released: RHP Vincenzo Aiello | RHP Elkin Alcala | RHP Nathan Alexander | RHP Dustin Beggs | RHP Taylor Braley | RHP Peyton Culbertson | RHP Kale Leach | RHP Kolton Mahoney | RHP Edgar Martinez | RHP Leudy Martinez | RHP Alex Mateo | RHP Codie Paiva | RHP R.J. Peace | RHP Guillermo Ramirez | RHP Josh Roeder | RHP Frank Valera | RHP Jeremias Vasquez | LHP Andrew Miller | LHP McKenzie Mills | LHP Manuel Rodriguez | LHP Jonaiker Villalobos | C Pablo Garcia | C B.J. Lopez | 2B Justin Twine | SS Freilin Cabrera | SS Samuel Castro | SS Alvaro Montero | OF Albert Guaimaro | OF Omar Lebron | OF Daniel Paulino

About 20 other guys could probably go as well but likely injured still or needed to catch arms. Very interesting and surprised they didnt release more NRI but guess they could on Friday?

[Lee Stone]

PLAY BALL but damn this season is gonna be a Mess

Meet your 2020 Marlins

C-Alfaro/Cervelli/Wallach
1B-Aguilar
2B-Isan
SS-Rojas/Berti(UT)
3B-BA
LF-Dickerson/Harold
CF-Villar/Sierra
RF-Joyce/Brinson
DH-Cooper(OF/1B)

SP-Caleb/Sandy/Lopez/Yamamoto/Elieser
RP-Sharp/Urena/Conley/Tarpley/Yimi/Steck/Stanek/Brigham/Boxberger/Kintzler

We all have our own ideas about roster choices. Where I differ:

SP: Urena looked very good to me in March ... my opening day guy if he maintains that in July. He's a valuable trade asset if he gets it going early. Injuries/illness will make opportunities available early. I have a feeling that Sterling Sharp will get a shot at starting at some point. The 2021 rotation might feature next to none of the current rotation.
RP: Vesia is one of our top relievers right now. If the team is going to at least try to get off to a fast start, he has to be in the pen.

[tjfla]

PLAY BALL but damn this season is gonna be a Mess

Meet your 2020 Marlins

C-Alfaro/Cervelli/Wallach
1B-Aguilar
2B-Isan
SS-Rojas/Berti(UT)
3B-BA
LF-Dickerson/Harold
CF-Villar/Sierra
RF-Joyce/Brinson
DH-Cooper(OF/1B)

SP-Caleb/Sandy/Lopez/Yamamoto/Elieser
RP-Sharp/Urena/Conley/Tarpley/Yimi/Steck/Stanek/Brigham/Boxberger/Kintzler

We all have our own ideas about roster choices. Where I differ:

SP: Urena looked very good to me in March ... my opening day guy if he maintains that in July. He's a valuable trade asset if he gets it going early. Injuries/illness will make opportunities available early. I have a feeling that Sterling Sharp will get a shot at starting at some point. The 2021 rotation might feature next to none of the current rotation.
RP: Vesia is one of our top relievers right now. If the team is going to at least try to get off to a fast start, he has to be in the pen.

This whole seasons is gonna be a clusterf*ck. Urena and Sharp probably will start some games but like u said the 2021 rotation will probably have 1 guy in it so whats it matter?

2020 season is just being played to be played. The crappy teams(Pitt/Miami/Det/Baltimore/KC/Seattle) should just tank and get ready for next year if they were smart not waste 60 games on Rookies or spend more cash to win 15 games instead of 13

[Lee Stone]

This whole seasons is gonna be a clusterf*ck. Urena and Sharp probably will start some games but like u said the 2021 rotation will probably have 1 guy in it so whats it matter?

2020 season is just being played to be played. The crappy teams(Pitt/Miami/Det/Baltimore/KC/Seattle) should just tank and get ready for next year if they were smart not waste 60 games on Rookies or spend more cash to win 15 games instead of 13

You have more faith in the team turning a high draft pick into a star than I do I guess. I think this is a very important season from a maneuvering/developmental perspective. Your projected lineup is probably very close to accurate, but a lot can happen this season. Teams like Arizona, San Diego, Tampa Bay, White Sox, and others will be gunning hard for the playoffs if they get off to a good start. They all have farmhands that would represent improvement for the Marlins.

[fish16]

idc how they finish but absolutely do not play sixto, jazz, cabrera, lewin, or jesus sanchez if it mean losing a year of service time for 60 games or less in a lost year anyways. that would be beyond shortsighted. monte im fine with but thats about it. develop those guys on back fields, get a high pick next year in a loaded draft, and move onto 2021. wasting a year of service times on 60 games or less for those guys at their young age now as opposed to getting a full year 6 years from now theoretically in those guys primes is a no brainer decision.

[Namaste]

I didn’t realize how difficult our 2020 schedule was.

Given that, it seems that the obvious move here for the FO is don’t use any of our Chosen Ones (Sixto, Jazz, Meyer, Cabrera, JJ, Lewis, Sanchez(.

[fish16]

I'd also try my hardest to trade caleb smith, villar, and dickerson should they get off to really good starts before the deadline. See if you can get a top notch C or 3b prospect out of them. None of them have a long term future here anyways.

[Nick]

idc how they finish but absolutely do not play sixto, jazz, cabrera, lewin, or jesus sanchez if it mean losing a year of service time for 60 games or less in a lost year anyways. that would be beyond shortsighted. monte im fine with but thats about it. develop those guys on back fields, get a high pick next year in a loaded draft, and move onto 2021. wasting a year of service times on 60 games or less for those guys at their young age now as opposed to getting a full year 6 years from now theoretically in those guys primes is a no brainer decision.

Do we know how service time is going to work yet in this shortened season? This along with how much their going to get out of an entire year of just backfield games, along with what Fall/Winter Leagues will be available to send these guys to are all things that need to be considered when deciding whether or not to call guys up.

[fish16]

Do we know how service time is going to work yet in this shortened season? This along with how much their going to get out of an entire year of just backfield games, along with what Fall/Winter Leagues will be available to send these guys to are all things that need to be considered when deciding whether or not to call guys up.

that's been my million dollar question for months now. but <60 games is not going to do anything significant developmental wise that would make this a remotely close decision. I'd have the pitchers developing just trying to put as many simulated innings as possible on the young kids arms to keep them maturing/not taking a step back, get them even more innings in real game action in the extended fall leagues we will have next year, and then just move onto the first real chance of contention next spring.

They wont do this but id even think about holding isan back if he struggles out of the gate. He struggled in spring so there is justification for doing that and saving a year in the future for team control but i highly doubt they would do that.

[tjfla]

Do we know how service time is going to work yet in this shortened season? This along with how much their going to get out of an entire year of just backfield games, along with what Fall/Winter Leagues will be available to send these guys to are all things that need to be considered when deciding whether or not to call guys up.

Guys ON the taxi squad/40 man do not get service time unless on big league roster. From talk it looks like they will have a 25-30 man taxi league made up on 40 man guys and the 20 others. Prolly Wichita/Memphis/Nashville/Omaha(teams within distance of each other)

This is why I keep saying keep them down. Ill take another year of Sixto/Cabrera/Sanchez/others for 162 games when we are good then a 60 game crapshoot

Nothing confirmed but looks like they want a Upper Taxi Squad(40 man guys NOT on ML roster and 20 others) playing other teams upper taxi AND a lower Taxi Squad made up of younger guys like a Arizona Fall League/Florida Fall League BUT with the new outbreak in FL/AZ thats who knows now

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I'd also try my hardest to trade caleb smith, villar, and dickerson should they get off to really good starts before the deadline. See if you can get a top notch C or 3b prospect out of them. None of them have a long term future here anyways.

Caleb/Urena/Villar/Dickerson/Joyce/Knitzler/vets if u get a offer deal them!!

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I didn’t realize how difficult our 2020 schedule was.

Given that, it seems that the obvious move here for the FO is don’t use any of our Chosen Ones (Sixto, Jazz, Meyer, Cabrera, JJ, Lewis, Sanchez(.

Yep

10 Vs Atlanta
10 vs Philly
10 vs Wash
10 vs NYM
5 or 6 vs TB
3 or 4 vs NYY
3 or 4 vs Boston
3 or 4 vs Toronto
3 or 4 vs Baltimore

This is our schedule


Top 5 Pick/1A Pick/#45 pick in a loaded draft to add to the young guys!!! 2021 is also 20 Rds