2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[rmc523]

You are so quick to judge, you don't listen to the real subject....the names don't mean anything, you're correct on that....but all the fans will hear is "the Marlins traded"....don't you get that ? It's the trust aspect, you'll never get that from the average fans (and you do need them not just for the revenue, but the vibe with attracting free agents, stadium naming rights, getting your team on nationally televised games, keeping drafted free agents etc). You have to eventually commit to some core players, and the Marlins haven't done that yet, with even a single player....fans want that, but they & you apparently don't get that. They have had 3 full off-seasons, 2 full regular seasons, and apparently are still in "lets trade for more prospects" mode.... when will it ever end ?

Not everything is on Twitter genius. I don't even use Twitter that much because Shit-for-brains in the White House uses it and seeing retweets by that moron make me lose my sanity. I do have him blocked.

And you say I'm just projecting ? Did you check the attendance the last 5 or 6 years ....it ain't just me sweetheart.

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Did I say everyone ? What I said was they have yet to commit to even a single player.....you've had that amount of time and can't commit to a single drafted player drafted even by previous ownership or to a long term free agent (not a big name but for 3+ years) there is nothing for fans to grab onto too, except some prospects you've traded for, and one that you traded for was a B U S T, and you still have on your roster, because you still want to give him another shot so that you don't look too bad, and yet have to release some player that might actually help us, because he's on the 40 man.

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again you don't get it. it's not the names but the news on radio, internet or tv will say, "the Marlins traded" and that's the key phrase that makes people in Miami shake their heads and just mumble "same old Marlins". It's a PR hit that kicks the fans in the nuts here in Miami harder than most markets.

Again the names don't matter - the words in any press release that do are "the Marlins traded", and if you believe every player they trade for is going to be a stud, look no farther than Brinson. This braintrust put him forward as fast as they could after he was traded, polishing him up to the public like a new prized diamond....however he was actually a lump of coal. They traded what could be a future HoF catcher for Alfaro, who could be an Uber or Lyft driver in a few years. You guys trust in them waaaaaaay too much. So some people rank the farm system highly.....until they prove themselves they haven't done shit....meanwhile the MLB team just flounders

58-105, on a team they said would be improved from 2018. 22 shutouts on a team Jeter promised would be better on offense. He said we'd love Brinson.... nope they don't have my trust yet.... you have tRump Cult psychosis when it comes to the Marlins. Top 5 farm system, but not one team made the minor league playoffs, and only a scattering of players made the minor league all-star teams, certainly nothing approaching dominant players.... I had MiLB.tv last year and watched a number of Baby Cakes, Jumbo Shrimp games.....no one especially stood out to me

So you're never supposed to make another trade ever again? Because Joe Blow in the paper will read "Marlins traded..."? That's absurd rationale.

I'm right there with you that they still need to prove they're committing to players. But the reality is the average fan won't know or care. They'd be "outraged" if we traded the bat boy. Who was the guy last year or the year before that nobody had ever heard of and suddenly the public was "outraged" the Marlins traded him? It'll be a decade before the average fan gets over the "Marlins traded...." mindset, and will take years of a consistent winning/competitive team with playoff appearances sprinkled in for people to get over it. That doesn't happen overnight, and you can't run your team based purely on Joe Blow's opinion.

You're arguing they haven't committed to any player - there's been no part of the core up for them to commit to - the only one is Anderson, which I agree we should sign to a deal - he may not be Trout, but he's been a good, consistent player that you need on the team.

Hindsight is 20/20 with Brinson, and I always argued they should've kept Yelich. Once he was gone, Realmuto for sure wasn't signing here, so you trade him for what you can get - I really don't understand your complaining there. Brinson did look improved this spring training, so who knows, he may yet turn into something, and he might not.

Bottom line is, your logic is making zero sense. Fish and I have disagreements on things, but his logic that it's about the process is accurate. The process they're following is a complete 180 from the Loria-era throw darts at a wall and see what sticks. They have a plan and are sticking to it. While the results may not pan out in every scenario, they're following the plan, and you can't just throw it aside for purely Joe Blow's uninformed opinion.

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I bet Maddawg is OUTRAGED that they released Edgar Martinez, Andrew Miller, and Lebron the other day. I mean....a hall of famer, great bullpen piece and a Star all in one go. How dare the Marlins.

[fish16]

So you're never supposed to make another trade ever again? Because Joe Blow in the paper will read "Marlins traded..."? That's absurd rationale.

I'm right there with you that they still need to prove they're committing to players. But the reality is the average fan won't know or care. They'd be "outraged" if we traded the bat boy. Who was the guy last year or the year before that nobody had ever heard of and suddenly the public was "outraged" the Marlins traded him? It'll be a decade before the average fan gets over the "Marlins traded...." mindset, and will take years of a consistent winning/competitive team with playoff appearances sprinkled in for people to get over it. That doesn't happen overnight, and you can't run your team based purely on Joe Blow's opinion.

You're arguing they haven't committed to any player - there's been no part of the core up for them to commit to - the only one is Anderson, which I agree we should sign to a deal - he may not be Trout, but he's been a good, consistent player that you need on the team.

Hindsight is 20/20 with Brinson, and I always argued they should've kept Yelich. Once he was gone, Realmuto for sure wasn't signing here, so you trade him for what you can get - I really don't understand your complaining there. Brinson did look improved this spring training, so who knows, he may yet turn into something, and he might not.

Bottom line is, your logic is making zero sense. Fish and I have disagreements on things, but his logic that it's about the process is accurate. The process they're following is a complete 180 from the Loria-era throw darts at a wall and see what sticks. They have a plan and are sticking to it. While the results may not pan out in every scenario, they're following the plan, and you can't just throw it aside for purely Joe Blow's uninformed opinion.

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I bet Maddawg is OUTRAGED that they released Edgar Martinez, Andrew Miller, and Lebron the other day. I mean....a hall of famer, great bullpen piece and a Star all in one go. How dare the Marlins.

ya its really quite a foolish way to go about running a team. the casual fan is a moron when it comes to team building, especially casual marlins fans. worrying about their reaction when they dont come to games to begin with is an exercise in futility. The worst worst worst organizations run their team that way. It's been the same story down here for 25+ years- if we win and provide a good product, the fans will come and they will come in droves. if we dont, they wont. it's really not that complicated.

And you are correct that it is all about the process. Results will vary but if you continue to build the team with the right strategies and intentions you will eventually develop a consistent winner.

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on a side note- absolutely hilarious stat- this is the first time the marlins in team history are in first place or tied for first with 60 or fewer games remaining in a season.

[Lee Stone]

COVID-19 seems like a great excuse to add automated balls and strikes to the list of changes. Given that a player can be suspended for talking to an umpire from less than six feet away, it'd be a fine idea to move the ump well back behind the catcher. The Jumbo-trons at each stadium, largely useless w/o fans, could display the pitch location instantly. With the visual proof of pitch location on display, hitters would have much less to whine about. Objective ball and strike calls is the biggest improvement to the game I can imagine.

[tjfla]

Gotta love the players

Owners:60 Games/Expand Playoffs and guys get paid for it
Players:All but 5 teams(Marlins 1 of 5) Hell no we want MORE cash this year

Owners:Fine 60 games and regular playoffs
Players: Hold on Hold on can we talk about the Expanded Playoffs that would give us more cash

2020 is a MESS and the players are greedy as hell

[rmc523]

Gotta love the players

Owners:60 Games/Expand Playoffs and guys get paid for it
Players:All but 5 teams(Marlins 1 of 5) Hell no we want MORE cash this year

Owners:Fine 60 games and regular playoffs
Players: Hold on Hold on can we talk about the Expanded Playoffs that would give us more cash

2020 is a MESS and the players are greedy as hell

I found that amusing too when I just read the report......so now they basically want the MLB final offer when they could've just agreed to it weeks ago? lol Morons.

I don't understand your line of "All but 5 teams (marlins 1 of 5) hell no we want more cash this year." What does that mean?

[Lee Stone]

2020 is a MESS and the players are greedy as hell

As a society in general, we are all about greed. Let's just say the players have little understanding of (or regard for) political correctness.

[fish16]

2020 is a MESS and the players are greedy as hell

As a society in general, we are all about greed. Let's just say the players have little understanding of (or regard for) political correctness.

nearly half of the league (42%) is earning 100k or less. asking to not be the one to have to sacrifice when they dont get to share when profits exceed what is projected isnt greedy. Blaming the players over the billionaire owners consistently crying poor yet refusing to open their books isnt greedy. The fact the owners got away with this horseshit is pretty pathetic.

[tjfla]

I found that amusing too when I just read the report......so now they basically want the MLB final offer when they could've just agreed to it weeks ago? lol Morons.

I don't understand your line of "All but 5 teams (marlins 1 of 5) hell no we want more cash this year." What does that mean?

5 teams accepted the owners offer of 60 games,expand playoffs and PLAY. The Marlins were 1 of the 5

But ya they want the deal that they voted to reject. Only difference is players can file grievences if they want. They want that playoff pay and owners to forgive earlier payments

[Lee Stone]

Minimum MLB wage is $563,500. .37 of that is $208,495.

[rmc523]

5 teams accepted the owners offer of 60 games,expand playoffs and PLAY. The Marlins were 1 of the 5

But ya they want the deal that they voted to reject. Only difference is players can file grievences if they want. They want that playoff pay and owners to forgive earlier payments

Ohh, you're saying PA representatives for the Marlins accepted it. The way you're wording it makes it sound like the Marlins team approved the owners offer - I was like duh, they're part of the side making the offer.

[fish16]

Minimum MLB wage is $563,500. .37 of that is $208,495.

https://sports.yahoo.com/under-plan-...185658845.html

They are also in the top 1% of the top 1% of what they do in a sport that generates billions in revenue annually. You can complain about high salaries but when they drive demand for the product they rightfully deserve to complain when literally the only time the owners are faced with any adversity from a business standpoint they ask the players to eat the costs when never in a million years would they share excess profits with the players if something good happens.

[Namaste]

Weeeeeeee we are off to the races, boys!

[fish16]

has anyone heard anything from lou recently? I know he was older so i hope he's ok.

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so weird how we still havent heard anything on service time either. you cant even talk about this marlins season until we know how that will work.

[sports24/7]

BA updated their top 100 prospects. The Marlins have the following:

18. Sixto Sanchez

Sixto Sanchez
MarlinsRHP
Notes:
Final 2019 Ranking: 19
Tools: Fastball: 70 | Changeup: 60 | Slider: 60 | Control: 60
2019 Average Fastball Velo: 96

Skinny: Sanchez was the top-ranked pitching prospect in the Southern League, posting a 2.53 ERA with 97 strikeouts alongside 19 walks in 103 frames. He has three plus pitches and advanced control, which should help him debut for Miami in 2020.

49. JJ Bleday

JJ Bleday
MarlinsOF
Notes:
Final 2019 Ranking: 53
Tools: Hit: 60 | Power: 60 | Run: 50 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 55
2019 Average Exit Velo: 89

Skinny: After leading Division 1 baseball with 27 home runs and leading Vanderbilt to a College World Series championship, Bleday signed with the Marlins for $6.67 million as the No. 4 overall pick in the 2019 draft. With a polished lefty swing and plus power, Bleday has the potential to develop into an above-average regular in a corner and could move relatively quickly.

61. Max Meyer

Max Meyer
MarlinsRHP
Notes:
Final 2019 Ranking: NA
Tools: Fastball: 70 | Slider: 70 | Changeup: 45 | Control: 50
2019 Average Fastball Velo: NA

Skinny: Armed with a blend of athleticism and explosiveness, Meyer became the first pitcher taken in 2020. His background as a position player, plus his stature and electric fastball help him compare favorably to Sixto Sanchez, the Marlins’ top prospect. Meyer’s slider is better than any of Sanchez’s offspeed pitches, however, and ranked as the best breaking pitch available in the draft. Meyer has just one full season as starter (though he was on his way to a second before the coronavirus pandemic ended Meyer’s junior season), so he might move a little more slowly than the typical top-tier college arm. If he successfully develops into a starter, the Marlins might have the coup of the draft. If not, they have a potentially dynamic weapon for the back of their bullpen.

64. Jesus Sanchez

Jesus Sanchez
MarlinsOF
Notes:
Final 2019 Ranking: 41
Tools: Hit: 50 | Power: 60 | Run: 50 | Fielding: 55 | Arm: 55
2019 Average Exit Velo: 92

Skinny: A gifted hitter, Sanchez has moved quickly, reaching Triple-A last year as a 21-year-old. He has the bat speed, plate coverage and plus raw power to develop into an above-average regular in right field.

74. Edward Cabrera

Edward Cabrera
MarlinsRHP
Notes:
Final 2019 Ranking: 76
Tools: Fastball: 70 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50
2019 Average Fastball Velo: 93

Skinny: Quietly, Cabrera had one of the best years in a system stocked with powerful pitching prospects. The 21-year-old whiffed 116 hitters over 96.2 innings between high Class A and Double-A while commanding the zone at both stops. His fastball-slider combination fronts an excellent three-pitch mix.

If anyone's interested, Austin Martin is 16, and Asa Lacy is 39.

[fish16]

no jazz at all from them? We have a bunch of guys who are considered top prospects but the spread among diferent outlets is super interesting to me