2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[tjfla]

I was thinking the same thing.

Not only that but LAA is looking for a SP now.

LAD need to DFA 2 guys by the way

Trade Pompey for Joc then Urena to LAA for non 40 man guys!!!!

I know Maeda is better than Urena especially since LAD are paying his salary for next 3 years but Miami would have loved an offer of Comp B Pick and Prospect for him. They could have kept Graterol

[Namaste]

Quijada claimed by the Angels

[Lee Stone]

And Garcia by the Giants. No word of compensation to Marlins, just a waiver claim.

[fish16]

jarlin was just claimed. no trade. Bullpen arms that dont strike guys out arent all that valuable it would appear and it is even more clear how much this front office values bullpen arms who miss bats and throw strikes consistently.

[lou]

I am really surprised they got nothing for Garcia. This seems like another Wittgren puzzler.

[Nick]

Seems like they fucked up on these ones.

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I mean did they really need Matt Joyce?

[Lee Stone]

Garcia gave up fewer hits per nine, fewer walks per nine, and struck out more per nine than All Star Sandy Alcantara. They should have gotten some kind of return, especially given the fact that every single ML bullpen is carrying guys who were a lot worse than Jarlin last season. In fact, Garcia had the lowest WHIP on the entire Marlin team. During his brief trip to the DWL, Garcia gave up a single hit and walked none in over six innings of scoreless relief work. Fact is, he was just entering his prime at age 27, just putting the polish on his three pitches.

This from MLBTraderumors: "Garcia was rather successful last year, compiling 50 2/3 innings of 3.02 ERA ball. He lacks eye-popping strikeout numbers, but does get a solid number of groundballs and was quite successful at limiting hard contact. Garcia also found equal success against right and left-handed hitters in 2019, though fielding-independent pitching measures suggested he was much more effective when facing southpaw swingers."

Can't we pretty much guarantee that Garcia will be better than Marlin lefties Adam Conley and Steven Tarpley in 2020? And if Alex Vesia were to make the squad and put up Garcia numbers, wouldn't the team be delighted?

[Erick]

jarlin was just claimed. no trade. Bullpen arms that dont strike guys out arent all that valuable it would appear and it is even more clear how much this front office values bullpen arms who miss bats.

Actually it’s pretty clear this front office fucked up.

Has nothing to do with valuing missing bats, their big bullpen acquisition was Brandon Kintzler.

[Namaste]

jarlin was just claimed. no trade. Bullpen arms that dont strike guys out arent all that valuable it would appear and it is even more clear how much this front office values bullpen arms who miss bats.

We found the one guy on the planet that thinks getting nothing for Jarlin Garcia doesn’t reek incompetence.


Who’s surprised it was fish16?

[Lee Stone]

We had to know this was coming. Should be entertaining. https://sports.yahoo.com/former-majo...201825709.html

Hard to imagine that any jury would be kind to the Astros.

[fauowls44]

We found the one guy on the planet that thinks getting nothing for Jarlin Garcia doesn’t reek incompetence.


Who’s surprised it was fish16?

I mean, while it isn't great to get nothing for Garcia, I don't think it necessarily "reeks of incompetence". Everyone lauded their work getting a decent prospect for Dean...it's not like they all of a sudden became incompetent a couple of weeks later. Perhaps they overestimated a market for Garcia, but ultimately it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

[Lee Stone]

I mean, while it isn't great to get nothing for Garcia, I don't think it necessarily "reeks of incompetence". Everyone lauded their work getting a decent prospect for Dean...it's not like they all of a sudden became incompetent a couple of weeks later. Perhaps they overestimated a market for Garcia, but ultimately it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

Admittedly, "reeks of incompetence" are strong words. On the other hand, how else do we describe management that fields a team that is worse at virtually every position on the field than all four competitors in the NL East? Based on computer-generated Fangraphs data, even the starting and relief pitching are dead last. The only exception is 3B, where the Marlins have a small advantage over the rivals. If it doesn't reek, it certainly stinks a good bit.

[Nick]

Admittedly, "reeks of incompetence" are strong words. On the other hand, how else do we describe management that fields a team that is worse at virtually every position on the field than all four competitors in the NL East? Based on computer-generated Fangraphs data, even the starting and relief pitching are dead last. The only exception is 3B, where the Marlins have a small advantage over the rivals. If it doesn't reek, it certainly stinks a good bit.

Look I'll openly criticize this FO, they aren't infallible, but were you around Lee for the almost 2 decades of Jeff Loria? You realize that he is the reason the FO had to implement this scorched earth approach, right? I mean what the hell did you expect man after last year? This is a process. We've got more future pieces at AAA to start the year than we will at the major league level. Building a good team on a low payroll doesn't happen overnight, and it especially doesn't happen quickly when your former owner leaves you with the worst minor league system in the majors, and not enough talent at the big league level to properly re-stock the minor league system quickly. By the en of 2021 we should have a much clearer picture of the competence or lack there of, of this FO.

[Maddawg]

they might be a bit better than the last couple of years, but they still look to be a very boring team. Last year 1 out of every 7 games was a shutout. You can be bad and still be entertaining....last year they were bad & boring. So are we supposed to be jumping up & down over Dickerson & Kintzler ? Still no more than a 72 win team this year. And yes they still think fans should be flocking to the stadium....if they aren't incompetant they certainly are delusional. Why Michael Hill is still here is beyond me....also Brinson....why is he still wasting space on the roster ?

[fish16]

We found the one guy on the planet that thinks getting nothing for Jarlin Garcia doesn’t reek incompetence.


Who’s surprised it was fish16?

he's a career 4.97 xFIP, including 4.74 xFIP last year. He's a 27 year old with a career WAR of -0.6. I would have gotten rid of other guys before him but he isnt this incredibly valuable asset. It's also been abundantly clear that they value a certain type of reliever who throws strikes. Erick said they dont because they signed kintzler but thats ignoring the other aspect of relievers that they clearly value: not walking guys. Kintzler might not strike out a ton of guys but he has full walk less per 9 innings than jarlin does in his career and he is an extreme ground ball pitcher. the yimi garcia addition adds to that notion of caring about throwing strikes consistently.

I would have gotten an extra lower level flier guy like they got for dean but to say this reeks of incompetence is fucking stupid. Aside from conley who im assuming they want to try to rebuild some value and try to trade him at some point during the year, who would you have gotten rid of before jarlin?

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plus, reliever is the position we are going to have an extreme surplus of in the next year or 2. this is a meaningless move in the grand scheme. Would have been nice to get a guy like we got for dean but jarlin is a multiple inning reliever who doesnt strike guys out and is prone to walks.