2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Nick]

is there any talk of him actually being able to do that though? He's played in CF just 43 innings in his major league career. Maybe if brinson shits the bed again and its time to cut bait after mid may/beginning of june, but to start the season id rather anderson and villar split 3b and a corner outfield spot, put brinson in CF everyday and not hit him 8th, and definitely keep monte in AAA until at least late july so he can keep developing.

Brinson is done man, He's gotten double the ABs here than he would've received anywhere else being as useless as he's been.

https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status...022596102?s=20

It also would not surprise me at all if Jonathan Villar was the Marlins Opening Day Centerfielder. Keep an eye on that this Spring. I’m not just throwing it out there either. Don’t rule that out. - Craig Mish

Whether he can handle every day CF remains to be seen, but there's been quite a few rumblings that that is what the Marlins have in mind.

[fish16]

Brinson is done man, He's gotten double the ABs here than he would've received anywhere else being as useless as he's been.

https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status...022596102?s=20



Whether he can handle every day CF remains to be seen, but there's been quite a few rumblings that that is what the Marlins have in mind.

I am pretty much done on Brinson as well and i think he is just a kind of AAAA player who has the tools to succeed but just cant put it together, but for the sake of the investment they put in him id give him one more stretch at the beginning of the year. It should be pretty obvious within a month or 2 whether there is anything actually there at the major league level and its not like we are going to contend this year anyways, so i'd just give him one last stretch to show anything. If not, then im perfectly fine calling it a huge bust and just moving on. Again, i dont expect much, i just think in a lost year and given his status as a prospect before the last two years and his obvious talent and physical ability, just give him one more run, dont hit him 8th (give him the 5 or 6 spot), and just see if he can show anything.

As far as villar, i'm cool with just giving him whichever corner outfield spot he feels most comfortable (or just sliding him in at 3b if they want to move anderson to RF). I like him and think he will be a good addition for nothing but money, but there are enough open spots that i think id rather see him in a corner outfield or 3b slot rather than taking ab's from brinson for just 2 months if we arent going to contend regardless.

[Erick]

Money isn’t a panacea. No ones is saying he’s this poor guy with the worst life ever but his last two seasons had to have been miserable given every player knew he didn’t belong in the big leagues,he clearly didn’t have it anymore, and he barely speaks any English living in a foreign country. But whatever you can do the old cliched sports fan argument of they make a ton of money therefore you can’t feel bad for them for anything

I mean, I highly doubt the last couple of years were terrible for him. On top of the fact he was making 20+ million a year, he was playing in a market with no pressure.

[fish16]

I mean, I highly doubt the last couple of years were terrible for him. On top of the fact he was making 20+ million a year, he was playing in a market with no pressure.

i honestly dont really want to be the chen defender so we can drop it and i get where you guys are coming from and dont have a problem with it, all im saying is that money doesnt make up for the fact that the guy was put in the position to get embarrassed (absolutely because of his own shitty performance and ability at this point in his career) every time he went out there because he fleeced loria and got a huge long term contract that the team didnt want to just eat. Obviously it came down to him and his ability and he was being compensated phenomenally, I just felt a sense of hopelessness for the guy because he had to face his teammates everyday and just acknowledge the fact that he was wasting a roster spot for someone blatantly more deserving.

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Another guy i wouldnt be shocked to be DFA'd for the 2 incoming guys is quijada. just looking back at what he did this year, his velocity as a reliever, and his career stats dont really show much to me that indicates a ton of potential, at least compared to the alternatives on the 40 man. Or tarpley after reviewing his age and stats.

A guy who i hadnt looked into much more than a cursory look is yimi garcia, and i love his profile as a reliever. I cant stand relievers who walk guys and apparently neither can the front office and this guy seems like a very nice fit. Reminds me a lot of a guy like Edward mujica from years back who we ended up trading to the cardinals for zack cox (throwback name), although mujica gave up a lot of HR's. Whip is a very oversimplified stat but i think it can be very meaningful over a large sample and he was great last year and in his minor league career. I can see him becoming a nice bullpen piece.

[Nick]

As far as villar, i'm cool with just giving him whichever corner outfield spot he feels most comfortable (or just sliding him in at 3b if they want to move anderson to RF). I like him and think he will be a good addition for nothing but money, but there are enough open spots that i think id rather see him in a corner outfield or 3b slot rather than taking ab's from brinson for just 2 months if we arent going to contend regardless.

You move him to corner OF, and then he takes away ABs from guys like Cooper and Ramirez. Do you think Brinson has a better career than those two guys ahead of him, because I certainly don't. (Ramirez is younger than Brinson btw) Brinson had 0 HRs in 226 ABs last year. How is that even possible? We're not talking about a guy who is on the cusp of something here.

More importantly I think we could be talking about a guy in Villar who at worst could be a very valuable trade piece, made more valuable by showing he can handle center field, and at best could be a guy you want to re-sign and possibly see extended time in CF for us the next couple of years, because unfortunately the guy next in line, Harrison, has a very similar minor league track record as Brinson did when he was first called up and had more injury issues than Brinson did. (I'm not saying he's going to be Brinson 2.0, but he's still a high risk prospect)

[tjfla]

Brinson is done man, He's gotten double the ABs here than he would've received anywhere else being as useless as he's been.

https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status...022596102?s=20



Whether he can handle every day CF remains to be seen, but there's been quite a few rumblings that that is what the Marlins have in mind.

Wouldn't say he is done but probably done being a star they had hoped. Brinson is actually a solid 4th OF type

As for Villar they will play him wherever to get bat in the lineup,the thing is IF they wanna extend him they probably will need to give him a position. SS/3B/LF/CF.

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Right now main goal is to try to find best value for 2 guys they don't expect back here in 2021. They are talking to multiple teams about multiple players right now including Conley,Urena,Elieser,Dugger,Cooper,Harold. Best deal in FO will get whomever

They like Eleiser,Dugger and Harold BUT dont see either as long term SP or LF so if they can get something of value right now they will deal them

This is why the signings are taking so long to announce-they are trying to have do deals OR have something set before they DFA guy NOT be limited to just 7 days

[fauowls44]

Joyce was interviewed on MLB Network and he mentioned Hill told him he has the chance to start 2-4 days a week in RF. That would indicate that they are expecting Villar to play CF since they aren't platooning Anderson. I suppose it could mean Villar will play some games at SS too every week.

[Nick]

Brinson is actually a solid 4th OF type

Based on what? I didnt know it was acceptable for a 4th OF not to be able to hit at all. He looks completely clueless as an every day guy, but he'll figure it out only getting a couple of ABs a week.

[Lee Stone]

Based on what? I didnt know it was acceptable for a 4th OF not to be able to hit at all. He looks completely clueless as an every day guy, but he'll figure it out only getting a couple of ABs a week.

Brinson is history. Let's face it, the hit tool won't work at big league level. Further, the rest of his game didn't impress either.

The acceptance of Diaz as the big league 2B doesn't compute at this time either. His debut was utterly Brinsonesque. Others have been putrid during their first look (Kyle Tucker comes to mind), but I'd say Diaz' future is certainly questionable. 2B is the first place I'd look in the 2020 draft. Nick Gonzales or Austin Martin should be available.

[fish16]

Brinson is history. Let's face it, the hit tool won't work at big league level. Further, the rest of his game didn't impress either.

The acceptance of Diaz as the big league 2B doesn't compute at this time either. His debut was utterly Brinsonesque. Others have been putrid during their first look (Kyle Tucker comes to mind), but I'd say Diaz' future is certainly questionable. 2B is the first place I'd look in the 2020 draft. Nick Gonzales or Austin Martin should be available.

ah yes, 179 ab's at 23 years old in his first taste of the big leagues is definitely what we can expect from him his entire career. How do you not yet realize everything about you is based on small sample sizes? I guarantee if Diaz has a good first two weeks you will start touting him as the next big thing (the next big thing being ben meyer or tyler heineman)

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Joyce was interviewed on MLB Network and he mentioned Hill told him he has the chance to start 2-4 days a week in RF. That would indicate that they are expecting Villar to play CF since they aren't platooning Anderson. I suppose it could mean Villar will play some games at SS too every week.

That would make a ton of sense to me with Villar at SS. Rojas is a nice utility player but i wouldnt be starting him every single day, plus his versatility is pretty valuable off the bench. It would also make sense given the OF depth we have to keep him in the infield more.

[Nick]

Brinson is history. Let's face it, the hit tool won't work at big league level. Further, the rest of his game didn't impress either.

The acceptance of Diaz as the big league 2B doesn't compute at this time either. His debut was utterly Brinsonesque. Others have been putrid during their first look (Kyle Tucker comes to mind), but I'd say Diaz' future is certainly questionable. 2B is the first place I'd look in the 2020 draft. Nick Gonzales or Austin Martin should be available.

I'm not going to rehash the conversation on how Diaz is different than Brinson, that's well-tread territory. I will say though, that Diaz should get every opportunity that Brinson got and whether you like it or not, he will. You don't take away his opportunity for growth in favor of 30-year old journeymen.

I think there is a good chance Austin Martin may be our pick regardless of what Diaz is doing.

[Namaste]

The acceptance of Diaz as the big league 2B doesn't compute at this time either. His debut was utterly Brinsonesque. Others have been putrid during their first look (Kyle Tucker comes to mind), but I'd say Diaz' future is certainly questionable. 2B is the first place I'd look in the 2020 draft. Nick Gonzales or Austin Martin should be available.

Isan Diaz .224 BABIP in 2019

[lou]

Isan Diaz .224 BABIP in 2019

How many times do you think we both need to type this for Lee to get it?

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I think I'm at 6-7 personally already

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2B is the first place I'd look in the 2020 draft. Nick Gonzales or Austin Martin should be available.

Ignoring that the MLB draft is BPA pretty much and ties go to positions, they have:

Villar, Diaz, Rojas, Berti
-major talent gap-
Devers
Nunez (Maybe Osiris)
Salas
Lewis, Rosario, Santos

2B is super deep with legit prospect names right now. It's not a "need" in the sense that they "need" someone else besides Alfaro, Banfield, and Fortes in this organization.

However, I think Martin is 1A or 1B with Hancock right now. Those are for sure the top 2 until we get more data. Gonzalez could very well end up in that tier.

[Lee Stone]

How many times do you think we both need to type this for Lee to get it?

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I think I'm at 6-7 personally already

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Ignoring that the MLB draft is BPA pretty much and ties go to positions, they have:

Villar, Diaz, Rojas, Berti
-major talent gap-
Devers
Nunez (Maybe Osiris)
Salas
Lewis, Rosario, Santos

2B is super deep with legit prospect names right now. It's not a "need" in the sense that they "need" someone else besides Alfaro, Banfield, and Fortes in this organization.

However, I think Martin is 1A or 1B with Hancock right now. Those are for sure the top 2 until we get more data. Gonzalez could very well end up in that tier.

Good grief. 57 ML rookies had 150 or more ab in 2019. Diaz had the lowest OPS of all of them. Do we get that? Having watched all the plate appearances that earned him that distinction, I never concluded that his lack of success was attributable to bad luck. As I stated, his performance raised doubt. Could Diaz evolve into an average major leaguer? Sure. However, his initial floundering certainly doesn't increase the odds of that happening.

As to that list of 2B guys, you've made my case. It's bleak ... or full of question marks at the very best.

[fish16]

Good grief. 57 ML rookies had 150 or more ab in 2019. Diaz had the lowest OPS of all of them. Do we get that? Having watched all the plate appearances that earned him that distinction, I never concluded that his lack of success was attributable to bad luck. As I stated, his performance raised doubt. Could Diaz evolve into an average major leaguer? Sure. However, his initial floundering certainly doesn't increase the odds of that happening.

As to that list of 2B guys, you've made my case. It's bleak ... or full of question marks at the very best.

"having watched" comng from you means absolutely nothing considering you have proven time and time again you dont know what the fuck you're looking for or how to evaluate talent. it's why you shit on 23 year olds with < 200 ab's like diaz but slobber all over 30 year olds time and time again in small sample sizes like Meyer and heinemann.