2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[fish16]

Man the more I look at Burgos numbers the more I wonder what the hell the cardinals were thinking. That was the perfect move by us, trading a guy with no real future here for a high ceiling power bar years away from having to be put on the 40 man

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According to a tweet the marlins have Sandy listed as an inch taller and 27 lbs heavier than last year for whatever that’s worth

[tjfla]

Man the more I look at Burgos numbers the more I wonder what the hell the cardinals were thinking. That was the perfect move by us, trading a guy with no real future here for a high ceiling power bar years away from having to be put on the 40 man

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According to a tweet the marlins have Sandy listed as an inch taller and 27 lbs heavier than last year for whatever that’s worth

Alot of minor league heights weights are wrong. They do them when signed or drafted then nothing till hit 40 man.

Rojas was 5'10 160 for like 7 years and Jarlin Garcia was 6'2 160 for years

They got Guzman at 6'2 182. If u never seen Guzman he is probably 250

Same probably with Palacios. Honestly no clue saw him once and he looked about 6'1 150lbs so

[lou]

I wouldn’t put Yamamoto in that category of elieser and dugger. His peripherals and spin rate put him a step above those guys. Elieser to me is a perfect relief option moving forward and I’d give him this year to try to get comfortable in that role.

Dugger doesn’t really have much of anything so I wouldn’t be upset losing him but I don’t think it’s all that necessary to dfa any of these guys right now. If you want to sign a reliever just get rid of Wallach. I highly doubt any team claims him and he is incredibly replaceable if they do

I kind of feel every guy on the Marlins 40 man gets claimed if DFA'd (remember, they traded Dean, Brice, and even Keller(!)).

Also, I'm not saying I don't like Yamamoto/Elisier/Dugger/Holloway/Mejia for who they are - I'm just saying if the Marlins are looking to upgrade their roster with a CF and veteran RP, two of those dudes make the most sense to clear space.

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We've been waiting/hoping for a Conley bounceback for years now.

And he's down to his final 3 months more than likely.

You just can't find his upside if he can develop that 2nd pitch to go with the fastball movement - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/these-three-marlins-lefties-have-some-funky-fastballs/

Relievers are weird. He could just click. Or be nothing.

[fish16]

I just don’t think this below average team for this year needs any more outfielders and a rp in a lost year shouldn’t be a guy who gets rid of a guy like Yamamoto. He’s the only real guy I have an issue with in that list. I think dugger is one of the first guys they will get rid of if it comes to that

[Lee Stone]

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The #Marlins announce signing of Pat Venditte and 14 total NRIs. Invited to big league camp: JJ Bleday, Braxton Garrett, Trevor Rogers, Dan Castano, Dylan Lee, Alex Vesia, Ryan Cook, Tommy Eveld, Eddy Alvarez, Jose Devers, Jerar Encarnacion, Victor Victor Mesa, Brian Miller

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[emkayseven]

We're all pretending that Matt Kemp isn't making this roster when you just KNOW he's going to

[fish16]

We're all pretending that Matt Kemp isn't making this roster when you just KNOW he's going to

Until someone mentioned him earlier I had honestly forgotten we signed him. If he is healthy I could absolutely see him starting g the year with the major league club

[Lee Stone]

I can think of absolutely no reason that Matt Kemp's bat would enter a single game for the Marlins (he has no glove or legs). His presence would only diminish opportunities for Harold Ramirez, Jon Berti, or others who bring complete games to the field.

[lou]

I can think of absolutely no reason that Matt Kemp's bat would enter a single game for the Marlins (he has no glove or legs). His presence would only diminish opportunities for Harold Ramirez, Jon Berti, or others who bring complete games to the field.

It's more like, he makes the team over Brinson (and only Brinson), accepts a veteran bench role, and Brinson gets everyday PA in AAA. I actually like this idea if Kemp still has something - but signing a real CF is a better one.

The issue then is, who gets DFA'd? You're losing a reliever all of us don't hate if they do this. Of course, they can just trade Hernandez/Dugger/Steckenrider/Mejia/Holloway/etc. and that solves that problem of not just cutting someone for nothing. They've been successful with Brice/Keller/Dean so who knows.

[Lee Stone]

Ozuna to Braves! A win for us Marcell fans who will get to see him play often. He should have a giant year batting cleanup behind Acuna, Albies and Freeman. Also makes the Marlin contract for Dickerson (two years for slightly less than Ozuna earns for one year) look like a very good deal for us.

On another front, Fangraphs has an interesting article up on the Marlins. It's fantasy related, but that works fine for me. People bet actual money on their fantasy teams. Very interesting bit on Brinson vs H Ramirez for CF. I did not know that Harold was Brinson's defensive equal in addition to being the vastly better hitter. On top of that, their home to first running time is identical!
https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/a-clos...miami-marlins/

[fish16]

Ozuna to Braves! A win for us Marcell fans who will get to see him play often. He should have a giant year batting cleanup behind Acuna, Albies and Freeman. Also makes the Marlin contract for Dickerson (two years for slightly less than Ozuna earns for one year) look like a very good deal for us.

On another front, Fangraphs has an interesting article up on the Marlins. It's fantasy related, but that works fine for me. People bet actual money on their fantasy teams. Very interesting bit on Brinson vs H Ramirez for CF. I did not know that Harold was Brinson's defensive equal in addition to being the vastly better hitter. On top of that, their home to first running time is identical!
https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/a-clos...miami-marlins/

marcell has had an OPS of over .800 just once in his career. He is a nice above average outfielder but he is no star and it is unlikely he will have a monster year even hitting behind them. He has yet to put together a complete season aside from his last season here. i like him on that short term deal for just a year but people need to stop treating him as this star type player rather than just an above average outfielder with nice power.

[lou]

marcell has had an OPS of over .800 just once in his career. He is a nice above average outfielder but he is no star and it is unlikely he will have a monster year even hitting behind them. He has yet to put together a complete season aside from his last season here. i like him on that short term deal for just a year but people need to stop treating him as this star type player rather than just an above average outfielder with nice power.

He's had a 4.5 WAR and 5.0 WAR season in his career. Those are fringe superstar level seasons. Three other seasons between 2.4-2.8 WAR are also "complete" as those are fantastic everyday starter numbers. Also been over an .800 OPS tough (just barely). He's a fringe allstar with power upside. That's.......great?

He hit .243/.330/.474 last year with a .259 BABIP. Underlying peripherals are well above average and he hits the ball real hard. Highest BB rate of his career. He probably got lucky with an extra 3-5 HR last year but that's it. When that BABIP normalizes, he's going to hit .270+ and if the new power/BB rate holds, watch out.

I agree with Lee. I think he's going to be a monster next year in a free agency year hitting in between 2 superstars (Acuna, Freddie) and 1 allstar (Ozzie).

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I feel this is a missed opportunity to have signed him for 4/$64-70. He's worth it for the power upside. Maybe he wanted more though.

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Ozuna to Braves! A win for us Marcell fans who will get to see him play often. He should have a giant year batting cleanup behind Acuna, Albies and Freeman. Also makes the Marlin contract for Dickerson (two years for slightly less than Ozuna earns for one year) look like a very good deal for us.

On another front, Fangraphs has an interesting article up on the Marlins. It's fantasy related, but that works fine for me. People bet actual money on their fantasy teams. Very interesting bit on Brinson vs H Ramirez for CF. I did not know that Harold was Brinson's defensive equal in addition to being the vastly better hitter. On top of that, their home to first running time is identical!
https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/a-clos...miami-marlins/

Ramirez isn't supposed to be able to handle CF full time, but that's great if he does.

I think Ramirez is going to get 50 starts in LF (Dickerson should sit vs LHP) and another 25+ in CF, with Berti 50 starts at 2B/SS (Isan should sit vs LHP, Rojas off days) and another 25+ in CF. Presuming Monte is going to start 40 games in CF come August-ish, Brinson probably has 25-30 games in CF to do something, and if he fails, it's taking the defense with Sierra, moving Villar, or committing to Ramirez/Berti until Monte is ready.

I feel this will work itself out with performance. But I'd love to see Brinson in AAA and they bring in literally anyone for 3+ months.

[tjfla]

We're all pretending that Matt Kemp isn't making this roster when you just KNOW he's going to

Yep if he looks even decent in ST I could see Cooper gone and Kemp added

[lou]

I'd still say fuck it and put Villar in CF full time, Anderson 3B, and sign Puig/Castellanos for RF.

See how Villar does, and then maybe Villar is your longterm CF, and if not, trade him in the summer. They could move Villar/Caleb/Stanek/Urena/J. Sanchez/Jerar and get a CF to match with Monte, with the idea that you're Bleday-Monte/New Guy-Puig longterm, with Misner/Scott/Burdick as your next in line when Puig expires in presumably 3 years.

[tjfla]

It's more like, he makes the team over Brinson (and only Brinson), accepts a veteran bench role, and Brinson gets everyday PA in AAA. I actually like this idea if Kemp still has something - but signing a real CF is a better one.

The issue then is, who gets DFA'd? You're losing a reliever all of us don't hate if they do this. Of course, they can just trade Hernandez/Dugger/Steckenrider/Mejia/Holloway/etc. and that solves that problem of not just cutting someone for nothing. They've been successful with Brice/Keller/Dean so who knows.

Cooper gets DFA and traded. Kemp gets added to 40 man

Pretty much just like if they sign a Strop they will DFA Conley. Let Phelps and 3 others fight for RP spot and in ST u trade Urena

Cooper-Kemp
Conley-Strop
Urena-Phelps

Trade Cooper,Conley,Urena for stuff then in July u trade Cervelli/Kemp/Strop/Phelps/other arms/Villar if no extension for more prospects

THis last year they can stick to their get as much talent as possible plan. Not in 2021 plans means see ya

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I'd still say fuck it and put Villar in CF full time, Anderson 3B, and sign Puig/Castellanos for RF.

See how Villar does, and then maybe Villar is your longterm CF, and if not, trade him in the summer. They could move Villar/Caleb/Stanek/Urena/J. Sanchez/Jerar and get a CF to match with Monte, with the idea that you're Bleday-Monte/New Guy-Puig longterm, with Misner/Scott/Burdick as your next in line when Puig expires in presumably 3 years.

How does that St Louis trade look now?

4 ML guys for a Comp B pick

Longshot and would depend on how Monte,Jesus,Bleday progress this year but we could see Ozuna back in 2021. No QO and they would do a 3/50 deal in a second for him