2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Nick]

U got Moran,Castano,Lee in AAA and Vesia in AA. Butcher,Cigrani,Matt Grace,Tyler Lyons,Zach Duke,Luis Avilan,Aaron Loup. Could see 1 or 2 signed to minor league deals

Conley could be gone any second

Sad thing is if u look around ML baseball teams have LHR arms ALL from Miami

Grant Dayton-Atlanta
Brad Hand-Cleveland
Andrew Miller-St Louis
Dan Jennings-Milwaukee
Miguel Del Pozo-Pittsburgh
Mike Dunn-FA/Colorado
Brian Flynn-Texas
Wade LeBlanc-Seattle
Asher Wojo-Baltimore

LHR all around MLB

Outside of Miller and Hand are any of those guys any good? (Even Miller had a down year last year)

[tjfla]

Outside of Miller and Hand are any of those guys any good? (Even Miller had a down year last year)

Good enough to be a #3 LHR on a ML team

[lou]

Good enough to be a #3 LHR on a ML team

I don't know about that. I'd rather have Quijada's potential over most.

Looking at lefty ideas, I'd be all over Lewis Thorpe (Min, FV45) - https://www.fangraphs.com/players/le...ats?position=P

They have a really awesome lefty reliever (Rogers), a good projectable # 3 lefty pen arm (Smeltzer), and Thorpe is their next guy who is a projectable backend starter, who I assume plays up enough to be a 2nd/3rd pen lefty in a few years. They have another Quijada level guy (Moran) coming mid-year too for their own depth.

As a contender, that's the kind of guy you don't need right now even if you don't want to trade him as he's projectable.

If they are looking for cheap pitching upgrades, the Marlins can send over quite a threesome - Caleb, Urena, and Conley pretty quickly (let's call it, $50 million surplus). Those dudes are throwing 400 innings for them and all have control next year, with Caleb a lot more control. Total cost for the three of them is $6.5 million this year, give or take.

They could clear their own 40 man space easily with the Marlins taking back Thorpe, Alcala, and Gordon (which is their #8 prospect on FG, and two outside 30 throw ins, who would be in the 20s/early 30s on Marlins list), and then the Marlins can take a real swing at a better prospect - probably Balazovic (FV50 RHP) or Jeffers (45+ C) and they have a horde of FV40 guys to pick from depending on which of those 2 you get.

So like...
Smith, Urena, Conley for
Balazovic/Jeffers (their 6/7 overall prospect), Thorpe (8th prospect), Alcala, Gordon, and another FV40 not 40 man eligible.

This then opens up the money saved from Urena/Conley to sign a few more pitchers on 1 year show me deals - Alex Wood, Homer Bailey, Ivan Nova, etc. Marlins would have plenty to bridge to Sixto/Cabrera/Guzman/Neidert.

I suspect Minnesota would do something like that, especially if Miami chucked in someone like Stewart or Roberson as an add-on (i.e., a potential reliever for 2nd half if they work out) or also added Cooper and took back Cave/Wade as Cooper makes some sense for them as a right hander who can play 1B/RF.

A lot of options. These clubs match up as long as Minnesota can get over sending one of those main guys back.

[tjfla]

They don't have the 40 man space and already got some MIF depth but a guy they liked alot in past just got DFA

Richard Urena from Toronto

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp...tting/2019/ALL

He is out of options so has to stick on ML roster. Can play 2B,SS,3B and corners if needed plus is switch hitter and 24

[Lee Stone]

I'd herein like to nominate myself as Prognosticator of the Year for 2019!

I called Jazz Chisholm the dream acquisition for the Marlins over a year ago, referring to him as Lindor Lite. Now he'll have to prove it.

Corey Dickerson was my "dream" free agent target for tight-fisted management a couple months ago and now he's our cleanup hitter.

I lamented the departure of Austin Nola a year ago, citing that he had taken up catching and his bat was on the upswing ... calling him the ideal utility guy who could also play 2b and OF. It turned out to be the Mariners who saw that, picked him up, and enjoyed outstanding results at the major league level.

I speculated that JD Davis should have been added by the Marlins prior to last season, at the time the Mets got him for next to nothing from Houston. I speculated: "He would instantly become the Marlins best hitter." Turns out his OPS was 138 for the Mets. (Note: many of the posters favored signing Nick Castellanos for 4 years and some $60M! He was no JD Davis.)

I raised a red flag on the Victor Victor signing after noting that no other teams shared the Marlin enthusiasm about the player. In the blink of an eye, he has gone from top two team prospect to .... wherever.

I realize that my conjectures have normally been greeted with words such as "beyond stupid," "clueless," "idiotic," and so forth, but I have sort of enjoyed participation on the forum nonetheless. Happy New Year to all.

[Nick]

Half of those aren't even predictions.

[Lee Stone]

Half of those aren't even predictions.

But certainly they are predilections ... close enough.

[fish16]

I'd herein like to nominate myself as Prognosticator of the Year for 2019!

I called Jazz Chisholm the dream acquisition for the Marlins over a year ago, referring to him as Lindor Lite. Now he'll have to prove it.

Corey Dickerson was my "dream" free agent target for tight-fisted management a couple months ago and now he's our cleanup hitter.

I lamented the departure of Austin Nola a year ago, citing that he had taken up catching and his bat was on the upswing ... calling him the ideal utility guy who could also play 2b and OF. It turned out to be the Mariners who saw that, picked him up, and enjoyed outstanding results at the major league level.

I speculated that JD Davis should have been added by the Marlins prior to last season, at the time the Mets got him for next to nothing from Houston. I speculated: "He would instantly become the Marlins best hitter." Turns out his OPS was 138 for the Mets. (Note: many of the posters favored signing Nick Castellanos for 4 years and some $60M! He was no JD Davis.)

I raised a red flag on the Victor Victor signing after noting that no other teams shared the Marlin enthusiasm about the player. In the blink of an eye, he has gone from top two team prospect to .... wherever.

I realize that my conjectures have normally been greeted with words such as "beyond stupid," "clueless," "idiotic," and so forth, but I have sort of enjoyed participation on the forum nonetheless. Happy New Year to all.

i appreciate your participation and enthusiasm and i dont have a problem that you have a differing view of how to evaluate players cause thats what makes this a little more fun, but should we also bring up your numerous swings and misses?

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also there was enthusiasm for victor victor, the reason he didnt have a ton of available suitors was because he was ruled eligible to sign late when most teams had already spent their money. the only teams if i remember correctly were orioles, us, and the rays who ended up signing the 16 year old pitcher whose name i cant remember right now (was it gaston or something like that).

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ya sandy gaston it was. and just seeing his numbers with the rays to start that wasnt the worst thing in the world to miss out on him.

[Nick]

I was skeptical of the Victor Victor signing when it happened, but to somehow claim that you knew he was going to be a bust, as a fan never having seen him play, is just asinine. That whole deal just shows what a crapshoot scouting can be especially when players are coming from an environment with no connection to the MLB or American amateur baseball. Yeah VVM looks like a terrible use of $5 million at this point, but if the brothers were International Free Agents this year, his little brother would be the one getting millions of dollars instead of the afterthought he was last year.

[Lee Stone]

For those who enjoy this type of stuff, here's another view of Marlin prospects for 2020 (that I hadn't seen).

https://prospect361.com/nl-team-pros...arlins/#Rogers

Some variance to other lists ... but somewhat reasonable. High rankings for Connor Scott and VV Mesa seem dubious to me. Only two pitchers in this top ten ... while I have around nine in my own.

[lou]

Twins got Homer Bailey and Rich Hill (DL'd until midseason).

Seems like still a perfect opportunity to send them Caleb and Hernandez to fill out their rotation/staff, and then they can blow away money on Donaldson for 1B/3B depending on where Sano plays.

L. Thorpe, Alcala, and N. Gordon/Cave/Wade clear their 40 man for those moves. Marlins need Balazovic (FV50 arm, 2022 player probably) and another FV40 guy (Miranda?) and that's a good trade.

Then sign Alex Wood and get to Sixto/Neidert/Cabrera/Guzman/Rogers in July.

I like Caleb a lot, but 2 good young pitchers to match the contending timeline a little more, and 3 more lottery tickets, makes sense.

[tjfla]

No idea with this FO????? The idea makes to much sense(which means NO chance it happens) but this FO has shown they get it. See Villar "trade" instead of waiting,need LHB then get it and trading arm for bat prospect

I still think this is more likely

Minnesota-Elieser,Brian Miller,other stuff like Austin Dean or Cooper
Miami-Cave,Alcala or RP,Nick Gordon

but would be cool with a Elieser and Urena or Caleb package for 5 or 6 things

Miami and Minnesota match up PERFECT especially with Rowson knowing guys and Minnesota wanting low cost guys

[Nick]

I think it'd take:

MIN - Caleb
MIA - Jeffers, Canterino, Cave & Alcala.

Catcher is a week spot in our system. I think even Alfaro's biggest supporters would be hesitant to 100% say he's the catcher of the future so it'd be nice to have another option. Canterino could be a quick riser, especially if converted to reliever sometime in the near future, and has closer-type stuff. Cave gives us another option at CF this year until Harrison is ready, and would couple well with a Cooper or Ramirez on a future bench, and Alcala steps immediately into the bullpen.

[Maddawg]

DIckerson it is according to heyman. 2 year deal.

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this is somehow the first multi year major league deal we have given out under the new ownership group.

Finally a really excellent move for the Marlins !

[fauowls44]

Interesting...Hilman managed against him in Korea. I don't know where he would play, but I like that they are looking everywhere for talent:

Jeeho Yoo
@Jeeho_1
#Marlins are interested in posted #KBO player Jae-Hwan Kim, a source tells me. Kim was posted on Dec. 5. and must sign by 5 p.m. ET on Jan. 5. Was KBO's MVP in '18 with .334/.405/.657, 44 HR, 133 RBI. Numbers in '19: .283/.362/.434, 15 HR, 91 RBI.
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